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  1. 6 points
    Folks spend their days looking to be, "outraged."
  2. 6 points
    1032004

    Stanford?

  3. 5 points
    This may be a more important piece of information...
  4. 5 points
    Lockdowns are always the last resort because you can't do much more than that. Of course if everybody would stop believing conspiracy theories pushed by morons and just wore masks we could save thousands of lives before the vaccine is readily available.
  5. 5 points
    You honestly believe we're going to have a vaccine and give it to other countries before we give it to Americans? What he actually said was that we shouldn't hoard the vaccine and that after we have achieved herd immunity it would benefit us to make it available to other countries to control its spread there. Covid is a global problem and letting it run rampant around the world will surely bring it to our shores again. We need to beat it everywhere. But that doesn't fit the alt-right talking points. So by all means keep spreading lies.
  6. 5 points
  7. 5 points
  8. 4 points
    BAC

    More hot takes from Nahshon Garrett

    Nom, I appreciate that you went back to objectively review the study and Nahshon’s comments on it. We all get defensive over slights to our favorite programs, but we do a great disservice to each other and the wrestling community when we allow dangerous misinformation to stand unrebutted. That said, I think you are actually understating the danger of Nahshon’s comments by echoing one of his more fundamental misapprehensions: Namely, Nahshon’s over-inclusive understanding of what “asymptomatic” means in the medical sense. Lay people often use the term “asymptomatic” to refer interchangeability to (a) a person who carries the virus but never gets sick, and (b) a person in the early stages of the virus who eventually gets sick, but isn’t showing any symptoms yet. After all, neither have symptoms. But in medical research, the term “asymptomatic” is strictly limited to the first category. The second is referred to as “pre-symptomatic.” The Wuhan study cited by Nahshon was using the medical definition of asymptomatic. Thus not only did Nahshon misstate the study’s findings as to asymptomatic individuals, he also erroneously assumed the study was referring to pre-symptomatic people too. It wasn’t. We know with great medical certainty that pre-symptomatic persons transmit the virus. That is one of the main reasons the virus is so problematic: We transmit it before we even know we have it. Studies have shown this to account to 30-45% of all infections, including the very mildly symptomatic. See https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1046-6. It is likewise clear that the virus transmits “asymptomatically” in the medical sense of that term (i.e. virus carriers who never get sick). The rate of transmission, however, is highly debated, with some researchers saying it is a “silent driver” but other recent studies suggesting the rate is lower than previously thought. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3. Here is the point. Even if “asymptomatic” (never get sick) transmissions are low, or even zero (they are not), that does not change the fact that pre-symptomatic persons are an enormous driver of infections — so merely not having symptoms is no cause to put your guard down. As such, what Nahshon did in his video — telling all of his 28k+ followers that it is fine to go maskless and see your elderly family members over the holidays as long as you “don’t feel sick” — is incredibly dangerous advice, not only because silent-carrier “asymptomatic” types can still transmit the virus, but especially because you could simply be “asymptomatic” in the sense of being pre-symptomatic, which every medical professional knows is an an enormously common way to spread. If you already understood this distinction, then apologies for the redundancy, but I think it is important that the “let’s ignore the experts” crowd on this thread understands just how wrong Nahshon is here. If even 1% of Nahshon’s followers took his advice, that’s 280 people risking their or others’s lives. I sincerely hope no one gets sick or dies as a result.
  9. 4 points
    BAC

    More hot takes from Nahshon Garrett

    It is bad enough to see NG peddling these abject lies, but what is worse is seeing the Cornell/EIWA crowd rally to his side, pretending that there might be some merit to what he is saying. But there is not. And in so doing, people like nom, red blades and lu1979 are all accomplices to a deadly misinformation campaign. About the best thing I can hope is that they didn’t even bother to read the story, and will quickly retract their statements when they do. The COVID study in Nature is NOT studying how the virus transmits. Rather it is studying the effect of lockdowns — and concluded they can be extremely effective. It looks at 10 million residents of Wuhan, China, during a period in which there was an extraordinarily strict lockdown in place. There was not a single symptomatic transmission during this time, and there were only 300 asymptomatic transmissions. The point of the study, if any, is that when people adhere to strict quarantines, the virus barely spreads at all. Yet NG willfully butchers what this study says, falsely asserting that it was actually studying the extent to which the virus is capable of transmitting asymptotically in general, and concluding that it does not. What!?!? And from that, he instructs all his viewers that if they are asymptotic, it is totally fine to see other people, including high risk family members, on Thanksgiving — because they can rest easy that the virus does not transmit that way. WHAT!?!?!? This is a blatant and extraordinarily dangerous lie. The study did NOT conclude that at all. It merely said that asymptotical transmission is rare IF YOU REMAIN ON LOCKDOWN and DO NOT SEE ANYONE. And in any event, even if it were measuring a symptomatic vs symptomatic transmission, in fact EVERY SINGLE instance of transmission was asymptomatic. Let me explain what NG and others are doing in wrestling terms. Let’s say I were to argue that there is really no such thing as cauliflower ear, given its extreme rarity, and that the only real cauliflower disease is “cauliflower toe.” And as silly as that sounds, I justify my argument by pointing to a study of 10 million wrestlers and I tell you that it showed that of all wrestlers who contracted a cauliflower condition ONLY 300 got cauliflower ear — which is just .303 for every 10000. Pretty compelling, huh? But let’s say I omitted to mention that in this same study, there were 0 cases of cauliflower toe. And that every one of those 10 million wrestlers were on strict lockdown and barred from being on a wrestling mat at all — such that the 300 cases happened only because someone broke the law and wrestled anyway. Whoops forgot to mention that! So maybe cauliflower ear really IS a thing (albeit less common if you are barred from wrestling) and not so much “cauliflower toe.” I repeat: what NG is peddling is not merely a difference of opinion or interpretation. It is a LIE. EVERYONE should loudly denounce it, irrespective of your Cornell loyalties. And yet nom, red blades and lu1979 are now actively participating it, defending NG and thereby endangering the lives of the wrestling community. Just disgraceful.
  10. 4 points
    I agree with Drake, he's making an ass of himself. I disagree about his take on Koll however. I did some Nashon level research myself on what he's discussing. First off the study he quotes tested 10 million Wuhan residents and they found ZERO symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases. Again doing some more Nashon research I found that a study out of the University of Bern in Switzerland (so not these crazy US doctors) found that 20% of covid patients remain asymptomatic. So the fact that this study has every case being asymptomatic is red flag number one. Second red flag is the article he posted comes from the Vermont Independent who claims they are a "citizen movement committed to restoring Vermont to an independent republic, free to pursue life, liberty and happiness unimpeded by the demands of an imperial, corrupt and disintegrating United States." So a bunch a high level journalists without an agenda I'm sure. Third red flag is the same website Nashon quotes nature.com ran an article on November 18th with corrections on the 20th and 23rd titled "What the data say about asymptomatic Covid infections." In the article, the lead author who is an Australian biomedical researcher found that asymptomatic individuals were 42% less likely to transmit than symptomatic people so about 1/4 the risk. Of course the fact that they have less viral load and they aren't coughing or sneezing probably helps keep these numbers down. So if you're asymptomatic you're less likely to spread but to claim as Nashon does that there is no risk at all and to go on a social media site and spew that crap is dangerous imo. Even in his study and after Wuhan has had ZERO covid cases in the 2 months following the study, they say "nonetheless, it is too early to be complacent, because of the existence of asymptomatic positive cases and high level of susceptibility in residents in Wuhan. Public health measures for the prevention and control of Covid 19, including wearing masks, keeping safe social distancing in Wuhan should be sustained." They then go on to admit that the study has "several limitations that need to be discussed" and then go on to list around 10.
  11. 4 points
    nom

    More hot takes from Nahshon Garrett

    He highlights a study that provides hard data on infections from those that are asymptomatic and which suggests that the rate is very low. Thus, he says that If you are not symptomatic the odds of you making someone sick are very very low. (The logic being that you have to be one of those people that have the bug but is asymptomatic and then with no symptoms you have to then spread it to another person ... both, according to this study, to be low probability events). He also says if you do have symptoms, stay home. If you are old or disease prone, take extra precautions, like staying home. If you disagree, which it seems like you do, do you have studies that show hard data on actual symptomatic spread? And the overall odds of people both being asymptomatic and then spreading to others? What odds would you say are not very low? Greater than a 0.1% chance? Curios. People fall on different parts of the spectrum on acceptance of risk (for themselves and for others) in order to live their life in a way that they want. Some are willing to drive a car over the speed limit, others are willing to smoke and let that smoke be breathed by those nearby, others won’t fly in planes, others drive electric vehicles and not pollute their local air with gas cars, others only eat organic, others let their kids play football, others work in coal mines, others want to be astronauts, others jaywalk, others go to work even when they have a cold, others let their kids swim in lakes where brain eating amoebas reside ... I haven’t read the study he mentioned yet. But I am curious. But, just to let you know where I stand .... I’m one of those folks that thinks it is ridiculous to require folks to wear masks if they are simply outside for a walk, run or other activity and aren’t around others but who willingly puts on the mask when I will be around others. I also think the risk that I will make someone sick is very very low but I’m ok with wearing the mask to take extra precautions and take make others feel better.
  12. 4 points
    Husker_Du

    NLWC 3.0

    lol. i definitely butchered the intro. just spaced it for a moment. there was a lot going on in terms of the run of show. and to make matters worse the in house mic (that worked very well during rehearsal) took a poop literally to open the event. anyway - criticism warranted. i could have been better.
  13. 4 points
    grappler6

    Willie Trials

    The trial Flo vs Willie/Rokfin is going on this week. Stalemates did a breakdown of the first couple days so far. starts back up 10am central tomorrow. Day 1&2 recap Day 3 recap Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  14. 4 points
    Might not have had anything to do with covid!
  15. 4 points
    Plasmodium

    Harold "Brock" Mauller

    Hairy Mauler. Not bad.
  16. 4 points
    AHamilton

    Burroughs vs Zahid Flo Event

    I really enjoyed watching what happens when Echemendia goes up against someone several years older than him instead of vice versa.
  17. 4 points
    uncle bernard

    Willie Trials

    The new standard for the forum is to have one of your posts end up being admitted as evidence in a court of law. The hard work begins now.
  18. 4 points
    MadMardigain

    Stanford?

    I’d be happy if they just committed to make it happen in 21-22.
  19. 4 points
    **** Regardless of his average wrestling career, he sounds like a real great character guy. To me he is very believable and has all the guts in the world to try to do the right thing. I would imagine he and his family are being threatened by many in power positions. America needs more people like him to step forward when corruption is rampant, regardless of how it may affect them in the future. God Bless You.
  20. 3 points
    Lurker

    Bajrang training at CLWC

    For month of December (via flo on Twitter). Really a fan of what Bormet is doing up there.
  21. 3 points
  22. 3 points
    IronChef

    More hot takes from Nahshon Garrett

    There is a difference between a study suggesting asymptomatic transmission is not as common as symptomatic and what Garrett said, which is "NEW STUDY FINDS ASYMPTOMATIC TRANSMISSION NOT REAL."
  23. 3 points
    Between Palacio, Dake, and now Garrett, it is really becoming a pattern with the Cornell wrestlers. I'm curious what the alumni think. Are they happy to trade the reputation of their degree for having a winning team, or is the Ag school not considered equivalent to begin with, so it doesn't really matter?
  24. 3 points
    Unless you mean a 1 l lama
  25. 3 points
    I used to play in a monthly poker game with friends and co-workers. Very low stakes stuff. It was about fun, not getting rich off your friends and co-workers. My wife would always ask how the night was. I would tell her stories of the trash talking. When she found out that I would be relentless when I was ahead she could not understand it. "But what if you lose? Won't you be embarrassed?" My response, "that's why I have to do it while I'm ahead". Same thing with Reece. He probably won't be able to trash talk after, so might as well do it now. Everyone lighten up. Have fun now in case its not so fun later.
  26. 3 points
    Contrary to what that buffoon Al Gore says, I am the one who invented the internet.
  27. 3 points
    AnklePicker

    Mizzou

    Man Mizzou looked really solid this weekend. O’Toole looks off the charts good. Edmonds is a stud and little Elam is legit and all freshman. Throw in their third champ Mauler who killed Demas in the finals and the future is bright. Smith might be the most underrated coach in the country.
  28. 3 points
    I resemble that remark. I wonder if they still have the box of cards?
  29. 3 points
    Google Chinese government killing its own citizens. 35,000,000+ since 1949. Recently, outspoken business men, scientists, doctors, researchers, have VANISHED for speaking out. The guy who tried to warn the government about COVID, two weeks before the initial outbreak was put into prison where he died from COVID. I know it’s scary world out there kid, but step out of your bubble and check out reality. This world sucks.
  30. 3 points
    Well the Hoosiers finally in the Top 10 in something. Hopefully the wrestling program will keep its progress going under Escobedo.
  31. 3 points
    The best thing about all this is the hypocrisy on BOTH sides. The more you get to the left AND the right, the more you are ABSOLUTELY SURE you are correct about everything and the other side are all "kooks".
  32. 3 points
    It’s telling that the argument went from, “not worse than the flu” to “not worse than WW2.”
  33. 3 points
    gobraves101905

    Burroughs vs Zahid Flo Event

    That’s the beauty of Burroughs, he’s not afraid to lose nor does he ever think he will lose. Many guys are afraid to take that loss regardless of reasons and would never take the challenge.
  34. 3 points
    You may be old, but you are famous. One of your messages on here was just flashed on screen in the Willie trial. Good work.
  35. 3 points
    balanceseeker

    Ohiowrestling.net

    Right using real names adds a level of accountability and for the most part keeps people from being a-holes. Lots of former high level competitors, coaches, and officials post there (a lot of us know each other from seeding meetings and hospitality rooms). Sometimes we get a special treat when a guy like Rex Holman will come on and drop knowledge or give commentary after a big match or competition. Rex is intelligent and quite philosophical (in addition to being a beast) and is an interesting read .
  36. 3 points
    Wrestleknownothing

    Willie Trials

    I, for one, am glad you engage. Thank you for that. If you do deliver any feedback from this board to HQ mine would be: 1. I value Flo and think it has been well worth the price. I subscribed specifically to see wrestling I could not get to see live. The way I look at it is, for under $200 I save thousands in travel expenses. I would make that trade all day. 2. FRL can also be highly entertaining. I don't value it the way I value the remote access to wrestling, but it is essentially free added content from my perspective. 3. The rankings are fun to argue about. And the ranker's guild is a cute schtick even if I disagree with it. This comes in third in my personal value rank. But again, free. 4. The articles are only occasionally interesting. Every year I just let it ride and re-subscribe. But this year I am having second thoughts. The lose of live Big 10 wrestling streaming is a big issue for me, but not the only issue. The Flo lawsuit against Willy Saylor and Rokfin has been very petty in my view and has left a bad taste in my mouth. I don't think I am alone in that either. On the plus side, I have been very impressed with CP, Askren, and Bratke being able to do a show about a sport that effectively ceased to exist for 5 or 6 months. I also applaud Flo not feeling the need to hot take. Keep keeping it classy. This board provides all of the needless, fact-less speculation anyone can need. Finally, Flo's events have been great, as well.
  37. 3 points
    Jaroslav Hasek

    Willie Trials

    unfortunately i am message board warrior at heart. it's in my blood and is never going away. I am bound to this forum for life and sometimes things get spicy, can't be helped. but i will tell the bros at the office to chill with the arrogance and put out nothing but positive vibes going forward. thank you for the feedback and understanding.
  38. 3 points
    Drake_Mallard

    Willie Trials

    Idk about you, but I only subscribe to flo for one reason and one reason only.... video content. They are a broadcasting site imo, not a news and opinion site. Their podcast is set up to hype events not actually offer in depth analysis of programs.
  39. 3 points
    twitter is the absolute worst example of humanity... everyone afforded the opportunity to look like a jackass tossing their "opinions" or most inane thoughts out for public consumption no matter how ignorant those 140 characters might be... just the worst...
  40. 3 points
    If you made a world team, you're not a bust at the senior level.
  41. 3 points
    I was in a Lincoln bar missing my own weight goals, so don't yell at the ocean with this recollection as a source. They had the weigh ins on a big screen. He missed weight. Then he immediately dropped his drawers - naked in front of God and everybody! - stepped on the scale and everybody left happy.
  42. 3 points
    What if it were a pound or less? Two pounds or less? Five?
  43. 3 points
    Folks keep spelling plandemic wrong.
  44. 3 points
    wrestfan

    Iran Wrestling News

    and Greco not much surprise here 55kg: Dadmarz 6-2 Abbaspour 60kg: Nejati 9-5 Nasserpour 63kg: Dalkhani 8-0 Mardi 67kg: Asadi 3-1 Rezaei 72kg: SF: Arsalan 9-0 Saadatifar Final: Kavianinejad 1-1 Arsalan 80kg: Naghousi 3-0 Esmaeili 87kg: Nouri 2-1 Taheri 97kg: SF: Bali 4-1 Aliyari Final: Saravi 5-1 Bali 130kg: Ghasemi-Monjazi 3-1 Yousefi
  45. 3 points
    wrestfan

    Iran Wrestling News

    so let's take a look at the complete results. first with freestyle I have to say at 61kg, 97kg and 125kg where the coach's favorite wrestler lost, they ordered a new format, best of 3. 57kg: R1: Atri 4-4 Amouzad / Sarlak 5-3 Hajaghania R2: Amouzad walkover Hajaghania / Atri 2-1 Sarlak R3: Sarlak 10-8 Amouzad / Atri BYE 61kg: Final: Dastan 2-1 Ehsanpour they ordered best of 3, but Ehsanpour left the stadium 70kg: SF: Hosseini 5-1 Elahi Final: Emami 5-2 Hosseini 86kg: Final: Yazdani 11-0 Bazri 92kg: R1: Mohebbi 5-2 Shahbazi / Jalalinejad 7-4 Mirbaghban / Ghasempour BYE R2: Mohebbi 7-6 Mirbaghban / Ghasempour 4-0 Shahbazi / Jalalinejad BYE R3: Ghasempour 6-0 Jalalinejad / Mohebbi BYE R4: Ghasempour 6-2 Mohebbi / Jalalinejad BYE R5: Mohebbi 3-0 Jalalinejad / Ghasempour BYE 97kg: R1: Shabani 7-3 Goleij / Mohammadian 5-0 Shariatinia R2: Mohammadian 2-1 Goleij / Shabani 6-2 Shariatinia R3: Shabani 8-4 Mohammadian Final 2: Shabani 4-0 Mohammadian 125kg: R1: Taheri 9-4 Hadi / Zare 4-1 Mohebbi R2: Taheri walkover Mohebbi / Zare 4-0 Hadi R3: Taheri 2-0 Zare Final 2: Zare 3-1 Taheri Final 3: Taheri 4-3 Zare
  46. 3 points
  47. 3 points
    Over 10,000 in nursing homes....and the reason for canceling the tournament is because they can’t have fans when they have schools that still aren’t allowing students to attend in person ,so if they aren’t going to make money they aren’t going to bother. You can go to strip clubs and gamble in casinos in NJ but the state wrestling tournament is too dangerous? Kids train their entire lives to be NJ state champ not wrestle 10 conference matches ( I’m pretty sure some conferences don’t even have 10 teams ) . Its all a damn shame
  48. 3 points
    HokieHWT

    PD3 to MMA

    First of all, he’s from the suburbs. And Baltimore isn’t known for there tough Irish populations, so calm down there Mickey Ward.
  49. 3 points
    AHamilton

    Kamal Bey Suspension

    Saduleev has had two "whereabouts" violations. I think the next one is a ban. He has publicly addressed this.
  50. 3 points
    He was recruited , but once he wrestled "the big guy" he never got into the news again. Too bad, he had and still has a lot to offer. Might still be able to get the ultimate takedown.
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