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  1. 2 points
    This needs to be repeated over and over again. No one put a gun to the kids head and made him cut his hair. He mad a conscious decision for the betterment of the team and should be commended for his sacrifice, not made out to be some victim of some kind of social injustice.
  2. 2 points
    npope

    Hair Cut

    Then can you please identify the aspect of the original incident in question that is racist. The ref may, or may not, be a racist, but his attitudes of race would seem to have no bearing on enforcing the rules in the same manner as other refs. You assume that just because the ref and kid of different races that it is racially motivated. That is about the "weakest" argument I have ever heard.
  3. 2 points
    npope

    Hair Cut

    It would seem that you are in favor of the ref applying "common sense" as opposed to applying the "letter of the rule." Okay - fair enough, let's allow the ref to apply his/her own judgment to the rules. Suppose a ref believes that a half-pound difference in weight between two competitors does not give one wrestler a competitive advantage over his opponent so the ref allows a "fudge factor" for competitors during weigh ins - actually making weight not longer matters, just get close and we'll call it good. How does that sound as far as applying common sense? Seems absurd, doesn't it? That's what you are asking for when you suggest that refs should begin to apply their own discretion to the rules. They are rules for a reason and all competitors are asked to conform to the same set to make everything as fair as possible. Once you start allowing refs to pick and choose what rules to apply and how to apply them you destroy the whole purpose of rules; it is only then the system becomes unfair. Yes, yes, change bad rules, but until that time, everyone should follow the rules as written.
  4. 2 points
    Plasmodium

    Hair Cut

    Nice post. Not just those two. There are lots of guys in this and every other tournament who are right at the line in the sand drawn by the rules. Clear illustration of why this dude is such an ass clown for making a public spectacle of the whole situation
  5. 1 point
    leshismore

    Dake Taylor Movie

    Dake Taylor Movie=WOW. Really great job Flo folks. Amazing. Thank you very much.
  6. 1 point
    TFBJR

    Hair Cut

    Jay Z Kanye Eminem Chris Rock, Louis CK, Rickie Gervais A person who is trying to verbally injure someone and spits the worst name they can think of ........ I could go on, but to what benefit Ever strike out at someone and make a derogatory ethnic or religious remark? Ever? Ever say something for effect and miss the mark, offending people? Never? Ever say something rotten and regret it forever? Does it mean you truly hate and would discriminate against all members of that ethnicity or religion? We are a wrestling community getting sucked into the racial divisiveness that sells advertising clicks. The kids on the team are watching the adults and shaking their heads. No more from this corner.
  7. 1 point
    russelscout

    Hair Cut

    ...because you are basing your assumption that he acted with racist motives simply because there may be a correlation from a past incident. That is still an assumption. There is one fact. This is a rule. That is a fact. That facts state one thing, the assumptions can state whatever you want it to. It still doesn't make it a fact.
  8. 1 point
    RichB

    South Beach Duals - opportunity

    The coaches are probably there partly to avoid meatgrinders of Midlands and Scuffle. So I doubt if anyone wants 6 duals. So I think a 16 team tournament only makes sense if it is an everyone gets exactly 4 meets event. The other thing they would like to avoid is rematches of teams seen in season, so you want to avoid Lehigh-Cornell, Va-NC-NCS, Minn-Ind-Purdue-MSU etc, You might be able to avoid that with switches in the consolations (who really cares if a team finishes 12-13? But the championship needs to be true.
  9. 1 point
    I like your post Russel and agree with pretty much everything you have to say. I believe the media reporting on this (and even JB to a large degree) presented information very irresponsibly on this topic and left key information out. It has been discussed in the other thread on this, but if this does invite a re-writing of the rules then I am okay with that potentially as long as the new rules make sense for the landscape of the sport. My biggest issue with the whole affair is bringing in the idea of racism to a conversation where it doesn't seem to have any place. Maybe this ref is a PoS outside of this incident, and I certainly don't condone that one bit, but following and enforcing the rules is his job as an official so in this instance I just do not see it.
  10. 1 point
    Hear from some of the kids on the team... Buena senior 138-pounder Luke Souder, said he didn’t see it as a racist act. “It’s just a rule. His hair was too long and that’s what happened,” said Souder, who is white. “If my hair was too long it would have been cut too. That’s a rule. It’s a real rule. “We know that it wasn’t anything that was that big of a deal. He didn’t have the cap that attaches. I guess he didn’t know he had to have one. It’s no one’s fault. It’s just a rule.” Souder said the team has been entertained by the media exposure and that he was shocked it has drawn so much attention. “The next day (after the video went viral) someone said it (had become a national story) and I thought they were joking,” said Souder, who added Johnson just wants the attention to go away. “I was like ‘No way.’ My whole school was like ‘Oh my gosh, he had to cut his hair,' but no one in the gym was like ‘This is racist.’ Everybody was like ‘Oh crap he’s got to cut his hair to help the team.’ He did something to help the team and that’s the story there really. He did something to help the team out.” Senior 182-pounder Jaden Roberts, who is black, said he was upset for Johnson but didn't think it was a racially-motivated decision either. "It was just a rule and he did what he had to do for the team," said Roberts. "It was handled perfectly fine. No matter what color skin you are you have to follow the rule and that's what happened. Drew did what he had to do for the team. He made the decision." whole article: http://highschoolsports.nj.com/news/article/-3341302530425508370/dreadlock-cutting-decision-defended-at-tourney-as-buena-returns-to-wrestling/
  11. 1 point
    headshuck

    Minnesota - 18/19

    Appears so from discussion on Minny board.
  12. 1 point
    The fact is, this story has been picked up by the news outlets because this is a polarizing topic, gaining opinions from both sides of the spectrum; social justice vs the rationalists. The fact that the guy said something racist in the past is perfect fuel for the flame. The former can take this and create whatever narrative it wants to make based on the fact that a white guy, who said some racist stuff once, enforced an arbitrary rule on a black kid. Thats all that matters. The latter can use as many facts and rules as it wants, but in the end it is defending a guy who said some racist stuff once. Of course you have "experts" like Jordan Burroughs and even Drew Carey(who claims to be a huge greco roman fan, I wonder how he feels about Lindlands perfomance as head coach) jumping in the on the outrage while ignoring several of the the components involved. It is really too bad, because I think this is something that we should be evaluating to come to some kind of conclusion on the role of the ref. I have seen many wrestlers, albeit white kids, get their hair cut with tape scissors. Was that really necessary? What about their identity Jordan Burroughs? Do you have sympathy for them? How about the times I have seen a refs lecture kids and completely abuse their power in front of a crowd? Do you have sympathy for their embarrassment in front of their families? Nah, lets not worry about that. Lets burn this guy at the stake and then move on to the next thing that is trending on twitter. I realize that is somewhat of a tu quoque fallacy, but this is not an isolated incident, despite what JB says. It is worth looking at the entire landscape of wrestling as a whole for perspective. Kids are forced to cut their hair all the time. Refs are out of line all the time. I wonder if the ref in question has ever made a white kid cut his hair? This is hypocritical for us to say that it was all good, until now; now that race is involved. Maybe my point is that this isn't a zero some game. It doesn't have to be "its the rules and thats it so its cool" or "its just racist and its horrible". Maybe its not racist and the rules and the role of the official need to be tweaked a little too. Maybe this guy is a scum bag but also just called it inline with the current rules. He may have used the n-word before, but does he have a history of screwing over black athletes? Am I being a passive racist right now for not accepting the twitter narrative? I am definitely sick of twitter outrage culture and mob mentality.
  13. 1 point
    Da Lench Mob...now all we need is the Goodie Mob to come around and make it right.
  14. 1 point
    This is pretty bad - does nothing to promote any sort of spirit of cooperation or understanding, on the contrary, seems to only fan the flames. Sadly, this is indicative of the attitude on both sides of the political spectrum these days.
  15. 1 point
    Housebuye

    Hair Cut

    Sure thing. Just to be clear, your argument is this ref didn’t make a race based decision because a call was made against a white wrestler at some point for the same violation, right? that in no way demonstrates this call wasn’t racist. This is about as weak as “I have a black friend” defense. Just because cops have shot white people, doesn’t mean that the shooting of Walter Scott is justified.
  16. 1 point
    MadMardigain

    Hair Cut

    To add to this, he wasn’t allowed to use that hair cover because it did not meet the rules requirement of being able to be attracted to the headgear. It was a loose hair cover which has not been allowed the last couple years since that type more routinely fall off during matches which causes a stoppage to fix it.
  17. 1 point
    Housebuye

    Hair Cut

    He did have a hair cover. The ref wouldn’t allow him to use it.
  18. 1 point
    Mr Dole, Please don’t allow facts to interfere with a polarizing racism story. That’s just not American.
  19. 1 point
    leshismore

    Hair Cut

    He had a hair cover. Don't play dumb. You know he did. I agree with JB... in over 40 years in the sport, I have never seen anything so ridiculous. I love people here trying to play the old psychological: YES BUT GAME. Yes But... it was the rules... Yes But... it has happened all the time in the past... Yes But... Bla bla bla. Bottom line. The ref is a total, power-hungry #$%&@#. THIS is something we ALL know, and HAVE seen forever. Refs who are on power trips (because they are basically insecure) and they go out of their way to make a bad call and screw a kid.... And do you know what excuse they always use?: It's the rule!!! What happened was total nonsense. Those defending this situation should really reflect for at least a minute.
  20. 1 point
    Billyhoyle

    Dake - Taylor - My Best Rival

    Flo's role isn't meant to be journalistic. The point of their movies is to promote the sport and get people to watch their events. Of course, that makes them not actual documentaries..But still can we really complain? They are creating relatively entertaining content fairly quickly-not projects spanning many years meant to depict the nuances of athletes/competition. It's analogous to the documentaries that the UFC puts out in their embedded/promotion series.
  21. 1 point
    hammerlockthree

    Dake - Taylor - My Best Rival

    Flo panders to popular wrestlers too much. I wish they were slightly more journalists and a lot less propaganda.
  22. 1 point
    Here is the kicker, the kid reported to the mat with an illegal hair cover. No kid will report to the mat with a hair cover if he and/or his coach do not know ahead of time that the hair is of illegal length.
  23. 1 point
    LordNelson

    Hair Cut

    This sport's(and many others) unhealthy obsession with blaming the referees for everything is bringing it to the point of extinction. Pretty simple after seeing the evidence: 1. The ref is a racist, but not because of this incident. He made comments in the past....so he is a as previously said, a turd. 2. The kid's hair and hair cover were not in compliance with the rules 3. The ref enforced the rules at the time correctly. 4. If the ref didn't check the covering that was presented (if it was presented) at the weigh in/skin check, then he applied the rule correctly, but did his job before the match poorly. Poor officiating decision based on not doing his job before the match. 5. Where do the coach/kid fall in here? Coach didn't inform the athlete of the rule=idiot. Kid refused to comply with the rule=foolish decision. Someone here has to own the blame as much as the official 6. Media involvement and all talking heads and sport celebrity's weighing in: as usual, bad for society, bad for the sport, all about retweets, likes, and followers 7. Cutting of "dreads" and significance: Hair is hair. Without state level waiver of rules, the style of hair or representation shouldn't matter. Bottom line: A person can be a idiot, and correct at the same time. If you as a consumer of information can't get past the idiot part, then just as unreasonable as the decisions you chastise.
  24. 1 point
    But where would be th captivating news story in that, Hurricane? I’d like to see BBC investigate and do a story on this. That’s about the only media outlet I trust to report without political bias or agenda. Unfortunately theyre on the other side of the pond and it won’t happen.
  25. 1 point
    As I understand it, your argument is that the the intent of the hair rule is to unfairly exclude Blacks. However, when one actually looks at the history of the rule, it seems to be one of inclusion - not exclusion as you suggest. For decades the only way to effectively comply with the hair rule was via a hair cut. However, the rule was eventually changed to allow the use of a hair cover. Therefore, an accommodation was made that allowed wrestlers to keep their long hair, dreadlocks, etc. Unfortunately, the above described solution proved imperfect as the covers kept falling off or getting tangled up in ear guard straps. A few wrestling gear manufacturers solved this problem by designing covers that could be securely attached to the ear guards. The NFHS liked this innovation and, in 2015, they made a new rule that required all covers be so attached. Seems entirely reasonable rather than racist to me.
  26. 1 point
    NYWRESTLER94

    Midlands finals broadcast

    Flo simulcasts all the Big ten action so it’s not exclusively on flo. If it’s not on tv then you’d be able to catch it on flo or BTN+
  27. 1 point
    I was at the hokie open and frank seemed actively engaged with the team. I spoke to him and Ty Walz very briefly and there was nothing obvious that he wanted a change. I agree as previously stated, that the timing of his decision is not optimal. Best of luck to him. I know he was liked as a training partner by the team and he’ll be missed.
  28. 1 point
    All times Eastern, with local times in parenthesis: *-Indicates one-pound weight allowance shall be granted. Saturday, December 29: Lock Haven at Lock Haven Classic, hosted by Lock Haven, 9:30 AM Arizona State, Army West Point, Brown, Bucknell, Buffalo, Cal Poly, Campbell, Central Michigan, Franklin & Marshall, Fresno State, Harvard, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, Northwestern, Old Dominion, Penn, Princeton, South Dakota State, Wisconsin at Ken Kraft Midlands, Hoffman Estates, IL, 10:30 AM (9:30 AM) Cornell vs. North Dakota State at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Indiana vs. North Carolina at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Kent State vs. Missouri at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Lehigh vs. Minnesota at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Michigan State vs. Southern Illinois Edwardsville at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM North Carolina State vs. Wyoming at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Purdue vs. Utah Valley at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Virginia vs. West Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM Cornell vs. Wyoming at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Indiana vs. North Dakota State at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Kent State vs. Southern Illinois Edwardsville at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Lehigh vs. Missouri at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Michigan State vs. West Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Minnesota vs. North Carolina at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM North Carolina State vs. Purdue at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Utah Valley vs. Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM Sunday, December 30: *Cornell vs. Indiana at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *Kent State vs. Minnesota at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *Lehigh vs. North Carolina at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *Michigan State vs. Wyoming at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *Missouri vs. Purdue at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *North Carolina State vs. Utah Valley at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *North Dakota State vs. West Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *Southern Illinois Edwardsville vs. Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 11:00 AM *Cornell vs. Missouri at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Indiana vs. North Carolina State at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Kent State vs. Michigan State at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Lehigh vs. Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Minnesota vs. Utah Valley at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *North Carolina vs. North Dakota State at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Purdue vs. West Virginia at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Southern Illinois Edwardsville vs. Wyoming at Fort Lauderdale, FL, 1:00 PM *Arizona State, Army West Point, Brown, Bucknell, Buffalo, Cal Poly, Campbell, Central Michigan, Franklin & Marshall, Fresno State, Harvard, Illinois, Iowa, Maryland, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, Northwestern, Old Dominion, Penn, Princeton, South Dakota State, Wisconsin at Ken Kraft Midlands, Hoffman Estates, IL, 1:00 PM (12:00 PM)
  29. 1 point
    Housebuye

    Hair Cut

    You couldn’t have just kept this all in one thread? You needed your point heard separately? ok. I’ll bite. 1. It isn’t clear cut the ref was in the right, even according to the rules 2. This ref needs to have common sense. Is he so ignorant about what dreadlocks represent? What they might mean to this kid? It is not the same as a white kid with long hair 3. The ref is racist. He has a significant prior incident supporting this claim. Why should he be given the benefit of the doubt? Just enforcing the rule? Are you that naive? Do you also think cops who beat black protesters in the 60s are off the hook because it was the law? (Obviously one is far more severe than the other, but the logic is the same) 4. Why not listen to both coaches and try to find a solution that isn’t so blatantly ridiculous? Maybe borrow the legal headgear the other team had? 5. This guy has a reputation for abusing his power as the ref. Do you agree that this should be taken into account? pretending that this wasn’t a decision steeped in racism is absurd. Use some common sense.
  30. 1 point
    TobusRex

    Meanest guys on the mat

    He cracks me up. I have to say I like his style. Plus, bald men are superior. Don't ask me, ask Telly...or Cael.....or Mr Clean.
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    Jimmy Cinnabon

    Gavin Teasdale update

    21 per semester for 4 years? So well over 160 credits for an undergraduate degree? I hope for that number of credits he got 2 degrees. Many undergrad degrees only require 125-130 credits, which can be comfortably done with 16-17 credits a semester.
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