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  1. 5 points
    First, let me say this is a very interesting topic and I respect all of the opinions expressed. As an FYI, I have attended 47 NCAA tournaments and talked to most of the great coaches and champions from the 1950s-2000s in my journalism career. When Katie mentioned Frank Gotch, I thought of a comment in 1933 by Nat Fleischer, founder of The Ring magazine and the most respected boxing-wrestling writer of the first half of the 20th Century --- "It was Gotch's victories .... that made him the most popular mat star in America and started a movement among college men to take up wrestling." Also, Paul Scott, coach of the 1947 Cornell College team that won the NCAA title; Dave McCuskey, coach of the 1950 Iowa Teachers team that won the NCAA title, and Dr. Harold Nichols, coach of the great Iowa State teams of the 1960s, all told me that it was Frank Gotch who they they admired most as young boys. Ed Gallagher had a tremendous impact on college wrestling during his career at Oklahoma A&M. He used to take long trips in the summer to Vermont to learn the techniques and tricks of the great collar-and-elbow stars and then put that knowledge to use at Oklahoma A&M to build one of the first true dynasties in college sports. Dan Hodge's impact has been immense for over 50 years. He is still the only wrestler to appear on the cover of Sports Illustrated and the biggest trophy in college wrestling bears his name. He is the only athlete to ever win national titles in both boxing and wrestling and is an icon in the MMA world. For 20 years-plus, Dan traveled the nation to inspire young wrestlers. BTW, in 1956 he won the NCAA title, national freestyle and national G-R tournament, all with pins! Dan Gable took the sport to a new level as a pure freshman when he won the Midlands (when it was arguably the toughest meet in the nation) because the media began following him like no other wrestler since the days of Gotch back in 1910. He was featured in many of the nation's major newspapers and magazines, including Sports Illustrated and even GQ magazine. He was the guest on several TV shows and film stars like Tom Cruise gushed over him. The Wall Street Journal called him "Super Wrestler" in an article and two books were written about him. During his career at Iowa State, Gable drew huge crowds and at one point had 24 straight pins. He was 118-1 and defeated a total of 5 NCAA champions, including three who were 2-timers!. His senior year he moved up a weight to take on the defending NCAA champion at 150, Mike Grant of Oklahoma, and beat him, 9-4. Gable inspired so many young boys to take up the sport. President Bush even appointed Dan to the President's Council on Physical Fitness . ... showing his enduing impact on the sport. And Cael Sanderson -- can there be any debate?. Going 159-0 and being named OW 4 times and winning the Dan Hodge Trophy 3 times.. Sports Illustrated said his college performance is the second most impressive college feat in history, only behind Jesse Owens setting 4 world records in track on the same day for Ohio State. So, I agree with Gockes when he listed Ed Gallagher, Dan Hodge, Dan Gable and Cael Sanderson. And that is not to slight other great wrestlers like Pat Smith, Lee Kemp, Tom Brands and Kyle Dake. If the criteria was Americans in freestyle, then John Smith, Bruce Baumgartner, Mark and Dave Schultz, Lee Kemp, Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Snyder all enter the conversation, IMO. Again, great topic. Keep it going!
  2. 4 points
    Mokoma

    NCAA Finals

    I will take Taylor. ;)
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  4. 3 points
    Mokoma

    NCAA Finals

    Danggit I lose again. I take Taylor next time against Dake.
  5. 3 points
    There was nothing like being in the arena for Caldwell-Metcalf. It seemed like there was going to be a Metcalf coronation but Caldwell had other plans that evening!
  6. 2 points
    Peso

    Lee Kemp

    I just finished watching "Wrestled Away, the Lee Kemp Story" on Amazon Prime. If you grew up during that time, I think you will enjoy it. I know I did. I've met Mr Kemp once shortly after he came from behind at the buzzer to defeat my team mate Paul Martin in Stillwater. It was the disco era so a few guys from the team took a couple of the badgers down to the local place to dance, after the dual. I'm sure he wouldn't remember me, but I was one of the guys that pointed him toward the dance floor. I finished the video believing what I had thought since my first time I saw him live and shook his hand and met him. He is truly the kind of man that I believe we should all aspire to be. The class and dignity he exhibits in this movie is subtle, but it sure didn't go past me. I wrestled in his bracket at the 76 Olympic Trials in Cleveland. I was not even close to a factor, but a guy named Joe Wells pummeled me to within an inch of my life and Joe was 4th at the weight, behind Dziedzic, Schalles and Kemp. Lee and Jimmy Jackson were the two college champs from that year who finished in the top 4. Kudos to you Mr Lee Kemp. I've been around a lot of great wrestlers, and they are often, but not always great men too. You sir are the Gold Standard as far as I'm concerned. Lee if you read this I was the guy in Cleveland yelling "don't grab Schalles leg!" If you were there, you would understand. :--)
  7. 2 points
    Gantry

    NCAA Finals

    Man, how do you EVER skip an Ed Ruth match - so much fun to watch no matter who he is wrestling.
  8. 2 points
    Gasman1

    NCAA Finals

    thanks ESPN, you spared us all from having to watch a Tony Nelson spiral ride snoozefest
  9. 2 points
    Good post. Gable was also wrestling's Bobby Fischer. The Soviet Union vowed to find someone to beat him at the 1972 Olympics, they failed. The whole nation watched as he won gold without giving up a single point. He was a huge sports hero and energized the sport like no other.
  10. 2 points
    I agree with Tommy - it's a close call, but this may well be the biggest...
  11. 2 points
    idc2

    Biggest NCAA Wrestling Final Upsets

    2002 - Rob Rohn vs. Josh Lambrecht. I don't think it was a big upset before the match started, but Lambrecht was up by 10+ and well, he didn't win....
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    2td3nf

    Iran Wrestling News

    It would be wonderful and very appreciated if one of you Iranian fans could reply to Hassan in Farsi and tell him thank you for his message. Please also tell him many of us Americans are big fans of him and we respect the Iranian wrestlers and their great fans. (I will never forget how well they treated Jordan Burroughs over in Iran.) Hopefully we all get through this corona crisis as soon as possible and I can't wait to see everyone back on the mat, Americans, Iranians and the rest of the world. Thanks again for your post Hassan!
  13. 2 points
    It has a ton also to do with who you beat. Sasso had wins over the #1,7,8,9 and 10 seeds also having beaten 2 of the 3 guys he lost 2. He also, admittedly gained the benefit of basically ignoring the “fluky” loss by fall. Brooks had wins over # 6,7 and 11 while only wrestling 16 matches. Sasso wrestled 27. I find it a bit funny that you argue 18 matches for Lee not being enough while endorsing a guy with less matches in this case......
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    This particular one from Terry Steiner, although five years or so old, was amazing. I didn't even know of him before, but I've watched the last 17 minutes at least twice, because I had my wife watch it with me as well. A lot of things I never really considered. I'm big on records and how many matches (heck, a few of my posts are more or less about that very thing), yet he puts it in a different perspective for me.
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    Where dreams are made and hearts are broken picture from bloodround.com Friday Evening Results Wrestlebacks Rd 4 - Bloodround (10) Yaraslau Slavilouski (HARV) 30-8 vs (5) Matt Stencel (CMU) 30-4 Winner: Matt Stencel over Yaraslau Slavilouski 12 - 7 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/62196/slavilouski-Yaraslau/44592/stencel-matt (19) Gary Traub (OHST) 23-9 vs (9) Jordan Wood (LEH) 17-5 Winner: Jordan Wood over Gary Traub 5 - 3 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/45199/traub-gary/45107/wood-jordan (12) Josh Hokit (FS) 23-4 vs (7) Demetrius Thomas (PITT) 21-3 Winner: Demetrius Thomas over Josh Hokit 10 - 4 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44586/hokit-josh/47357/thomas-demetrius (8) Tate Orndorff (UVU) 18-4 vs (6) Trent Hillger (WISC) 23-6 Winner: Trent Hillger over Tate Orndorff 9 - 2 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/50974/orndorff-tate/49350/hillger-trent These two matched up twice in the past. Hillger was victorious in sudden victory in both matches, the last one by fall. In Friday's match, the deciding move occurred on the mat's edge in the second period when Hillger reversed Orndorff to his back for 6 points. Orndorff fought to the last second but it was Hillger all the way with the decisive 9-2 victory. Wrestlebacks Rd 5 - Quarterfinals (5) Matt Stencel (CMU) 30-4 vs (9) Jordan Wood (LEH) 17-5 Winner: Matt Stencel over Jordan Wood 5 - 4 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/44592/stencel-matt/45107/wood-jordan (7) Demetrius Thomas (PITT) 21-3 vs (6) Trent Hillger (WISC) 23-6 Upset Alert Winner: Demetrius Thomas over Trent Hillger 8 - 4 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/47357/thomas-demetrius/49350/hillger-trent Friday Night Results Championship Rd 4 - Semifinals (1) Gable Steveson (MINN) 15-0 vs (4) Tanner Hall (ASU) 23-3 Winner: Gable Steveson over Tanner Hall 7 - 6 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/50624/steveson-gable/40231/hall-tanner Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. “He amazed me every single day,” Gable's old high school wrestling coach Josh Barlage said. “You go to my Twitter page, you’ll find numerous videos of him doing back flips. Talk about being a true athlete. There’s really nothing he can’t do.” He could play just about any sport he wants and the sport he wants is wrestling. It’s been that way since birth, when his mother named him for wrestling legend Dan Gable. [startribune.com] (3) Anthony Cassioppi (IOWA) 20-3 vs (2) Mason Parris (MICH) 28-1 Winner: Mason Parris over Anthony Cassioppi 10 - 6 https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/50650/cassioppi-anthony/51176/parris-mason “Mason’s a great leader,” said Michigan coach Sean Bormet. “The style he wrestles is the style we like to see at all the weight classes, so I really like that we have a heavyweight that pours on the offense, that wants to score a lot of points and wants to put guys on their back and pin them. And that’s another reason he’s the captain.” [michigandaily.com]
  16. 1 point
    Mokoma

    NCAA Finals

    No doubt. That match was a terrible start for a non wrestling fan especially.
  17. 1 point
    Mokoma

    ESPN show Wrestling most of the day

    I definitely liked that 30 for 30 a lot more than the movie Foxcatcher.
  18. 1 point
    Wow, great job by Little Rock getting a CA state champ at HWT. That is not an easy weight to recruit, especially for a young program.
  19. 1 point
    WasteManagement

    Thread Deletions, etc.

    Abusing the Reporting System will also not be tolerated. Example: Reporting posts about others posting non-wrestling political topics or derailing threads and then engaging in that same behavior will not have the desired effect.
  20. 1 point
    Perry

    Seth Gross

    I imagine a lot of guys will choose to move on with life rather than hang around another year, especially those who have already won a title previously. More to life than college athletics, and Gross has already been around for some time.
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    Time (ET)Telecast 12 p.m.2013 College Wrestling National Championship 2 p.m.SportsCenter Featured: Pin Kings 3 p.m.30 for 30 Shorts: Mack Wrestlers 3:30 p.m.30 for 30: The Prince of Pennsylvania
  23. 1 point
    Congrats, Sammy. I would have gone with 28-0 Shane Griffith personally.
  24. 1 point
    Mokoma

    NCAA Finals

    They will probably skip Dake / Taylor also.
  25. 1 point
    We're saying the same thing about his issue. It's his power output that drops off. He can move guys around great for a short time but not a whole match. Because his general cardio was always a positive at lower weights, we can guess it's naturally good and something he know how to train. Like he can go run a few miles or sprints or do :30 go's again and again. Conditioning for power output is different. To frame it as weightlifting endurance: at 74kg, he could squat 90kg for 50 reps in 6 minutes. That was plenty to keep power output high. Now he can squat 100kg for 50 reps in 6 minutes. The problem is that an intense match at 86kg is asking him to do the equivalent of squatting 110kg for those 50 reps. He can only do it comfortably for 25 reps before he drops off because he's not strong enough and conditioned enough to keep 110kg lifts going like he needs to.
  26. 1 point
    Marcus Cisero

    New numbers(c19)

    Tofurky – I wouldn’t worry about it. Anything on the topic seems to be welcome. We’re from all over the country so it’s interesting to see what others have access to. High props to the mods for allowing this thread to even exist. Just over an hour before the 2013 NCAA championship. The weather here in PA suc*s so it’s a great day for a replay!
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    NJDan

    Lee Kemp

    I enjoyed it, too, but I have two big questions. 1. How did he lose the car dealership? Did they even say? 2. Is it really possible that he would be sent to jail for violating a restraining order when the violation consisted of calling his son on the phone?
  29. 1 point
    One of the best, especially the first 48 seconds:
  30. 1 point
    Jefferson a founding father, in. not sure about either Roosevelt, FDR threw the founding fathers thoughts in the trash bin. JFK might be better than jackson or reagan. JFK sowed the seeds for the civil rights movement which Johnson saw thru
  31. 1 point
    i can't believe i forgot shultz when talking about influence. Gallagher Gable Hodge Schulz
  32. 1 point
    BigTenFanboy

    Careers that could have been..

    One that stands out to me is Adam Frey of Cornell...
  33. 1 point
    Bubba by PIN
  34. 1 point
    Marcus Cisero

    Seth Gross

    This is why I’m such a big believer in second chances. I recall an interview where Seth promised coach Bono he would not have any problems with him if he was accepted at SDSU. Bono took a chance and gave him an opportunity. Seth in return not only kept his promise but delivered a national title while inspiring those around him. Something tells me he will succeed at everything he chooses in life.
  35. 1 point
    Nutterbutter

    Final NCAA Most Dominant

    Let me rephrase....Brands and only Brands made that call. Maybe this is directed at me, I don't know, but that talk is already out there, I'm just trying to address it. I am a big fan Spencer Lee (truly). He does his job, believes in himself, believes in his coaches, and is a huge bright spot in this sport. I'm not critical of SL, but I am critical of Brands' plan to miss day 2 of Midlands. Then I wouldn't have to listen to douchebags like Pat Downy talking sh*t to him on Twitter. Some advice Pat - Don't talk sh"t to someone who COMPLETELY outclasses you on and off the mat.
  36. 1 point
    irani

    Iran Wrestling News

    People like you are what make international competitions great.
  37. 1 point
    TMK1

    Careers that could have been..

    Corey Jantzen
  38. 1 point
    AFWahoo

    Campbell University New Coach

    His 7th place finish in 2009 was as a true freshman. He bumped up to 133 in 2010 and finished 1-2, likely adjusting to the new weight. In 2011, he finished 4th at 133 as a junior, not a senior. As others have already pointed out he beat the likes of Tony Ramos, BJ Futtrell, and Tyler Graff that year. It is my understanding that he had a bad back injury that required surgery and as a result he redshirted in 2012. Finished round of 12 as a senior losing to Dardanes in OT. Had it not been for the back surgery, he likely would have been right there battling for a top 3 finish his senior year. All in all, his career is very similar to Mike Grey's who finished 6th twice, his freshman and senior seasons. I doubt you would be making the same comments if Campbell had hired Grey.
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  40. 1 point
    Should’ve been Griffith
  41. 1 point
    Mokoma

    Campbell University New Coach

    That’s great!
  42. 1 point
    LHU125

    Campbell University New Coach

    Some truly terrible takes in this thread... Great coaches aren't always great world beater wrestlers. Good example here - Carl Poff from LHU. As head coach of the LHU wrestling team, Poff took the team to new heights. The winningest wrestling coach in school history, Poff's teams went 167-62-3 and amassed a winning percentage of .720. His 2000-01 team went 21-2 and his 1996-97 team finished fifth at the NCAA Division I Championship – the highest finish in school history – behind five individual All-American performances. Poff's teams won four team PSAC titles and the school's only EWL title in 1997. He led 13 student-athletes to All-American status and coached 80 Division I national qualifiers. As a student-athlete, Poff was a two-time NCAA qualifier at nearby Bloomsburg University (1979)
  43. 1 point
    Jim L

    Sammy Sasso wins Freshman of the Year

    Preferential treatment for those wrestling in the toughest conference by far
  44. 1 point
    I guarantee you nobody wants to be the next Pat Popolizzio, what was he about a 2x NQ and never even close to AA? Sentes was a decent recruit. Central Michigan was getting good recruits around that time. They got Ben Bennett, 4x AA I believe. They brought in Mike Ottinger, Joey Kielbasa, Zach Horan and Nick Hodgkins in 2011 I believe as all top 50 recruits, some had injuries and other issues as many do not work out. In 08 Central Michigan had the #3 recruiting class in the http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Rankings2008.html
  45. 1 point
    1032004

    Campbell University New Coach

    Has a wrestler ever said they want to be the next Tony Robie? Seems like Robie’s and Sentes’ wrestling credentials are pretty comparable. I’m surprised they did it so quickly but I like the hire. Shows they will promote from within and hopefully this prevents a lot of guys from transferring.
  46. 1 point
    I remember watching him destroy guys here in PA thinking to myself, man the way this kid manhandles guys should be a federal crime. Who knows how far he would have went during the big dance but I'm happy for him for winning Freshman of the Year.
  47. 1 point
    gimpeltf

    Careers that could have been..

    Illness not injury but yes. And 7-5.
  48. 1 point
    fadzaev2

    Owings v. Gable in Living Color

    I'll even give him more material....and yes, I'm working on transferring to dvd gradually....already went from super8 to vhs once on early stuff. library2 by fadzaev6, on Flickr library1 by fadzaev6, on Flickr
  49. 1 point
    npope

    Lee Kemp

    Kemp and I were both freshman together on the University of Wisconsin team back in 1974 - all similarities stop there. Lee was a nice, quiet, humble guy who happened to be incredible on the mat; very focused on his development. He was 17 most of his freshman year so he was young for his year in school. He was a bit naive in the ways of the world, but he knew his way around the mats. His presence at the UW launched that program into the highest levels of the NCAA at the time - he was a catalyst for the subsequent development of others on the team (and those who followed in the subsequent years). His success made believers of others and the UW system of wrestling at the time (led by Hellickson and Kleven). It was amazing to see although it was hard to appreciate all of it in the moment.
  50. 1 point
    A grad of Princeton Law
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