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  1. 13 points
    Absolute beast of an athlete. Gentlemen and ambassador. We’re lucky to have him. This guy needs his own thread. How long till we see another like him? *note* It was 23 years between him and John Smith.
  2. 11 points
    I have compared 2 time periods - 1960-1991 with 1993-2021 to estimate the impacts on medal counts for the former Soviet Union and Soviet bloc countries before and after the soviet union breakup. It is an excel workbook with 2 pages and would print on 4 printed pages. If you can't get excel and would like to look at, email me and I will paste it into Word or something else (timjoemcc@gmail.com). The information is shown by country for both time frames with total medal count and gold medal count. I found it pretty interesting to do but I am a nerd number type guy - not for everyone I know. The several key messages are: * The Soviet Union won 26% of all medals and 46% of gold medals in the 32 year period from 1960-1991. The former Soviet Union won 47% of all medals and 53% of gold medals in the 29 year period from 1993-2021. Russia performed much better in acquiring gold medals than did the other 10 countries in the former FSU that won wrestling medals. * The USA won 13% of all medals and 13% of gold medals in the 1960-1991 time frame. The Soviet Union won 113 more medals than the US and 100 of them were gold during this period. The USA won 11% of all medals and 16% of gold medals in the 1993-2021. The US medal count dropped overall but the % of gold medals increased. The US had 45 fewer gold medals than Russia and 85 fewer than FSU. * As everyone knew, the breakup of the Soviet Union led to the FSU countries dramatically increasing their total and gold medal counts. * I compared the Soviet Bloc countries to see what happened to them (Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia). Their total medal count went from 26% of all medals down to 6% after the Soviet breakup and the gold medal count went from 9% of all gold to 4% of all gold. So the change was dramatic and the opposite of the countries in the FSU. I had not realized this impact and don't know why it happened (eg. maybe the Soviet Union subsidized wrestling in these countries and the money dried up?, or ???). * The combination of the Soviet Union + Soviet Bloc won 51% of total medals and 55% of gold medals before the Soviet breakup and 52% of all medals and 57% of gold medals after the breakup. So the breakup of the Soviet Union made it harder for a non Soviet related someone to win a medal but not nearly as dramatic as when you look at the FSU numbers alone. * One other detail, the average number of weight classes was 9.4 for the 1960-1991 period and 8.0 for the 1993-2021 period. So the wrestling talent was more concentrated in the fewer weight classes in the post Soviet break up era (same number of wrestlers in ~85% of the weight classes). * Wrestling medals increased for Cuba, India, and Iran after the Soviet break up (as measured by % of total medals won). Turkey remained constant. Every other significant wrestling country had their overall medal count drop after the Soviet break up - including the US which went from 13% to 11% of the total medal count as mentioned previously. Japan had the biggest drop - they went from 9% of all medals to 3% of all medals.Soviet Breakup Info.xlsx I can send anyone a list of all the wrestlers names, medals, weights, countries that I used if you want the next level of detail. Just email me if you are a glutton for data.
  3. 10 points
    TripNSweep

    Seabass to 125

    Can you ever pay your debts? That's really what people want to know.
  4. 9 points
    Fletcher

    Sanderson: the artist

    These days, all he does is lock himself in his studio for hours on end and creates the same art over and over..... nudes of Bubba Jenkins. Sometimes it's paintings, sometimes sculptures, but it's always Bubba and he's always nude. I hope this answers your question.
  5. 9 points
    (All times are Eastern.) Saturday, 10/2/21 4:30 AM to 8:30 AM: 61-74-86-125kg Qual. Rds. 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM: 61-74-86-125kg Semis Sunday, 10/3/21 4:30 AM to 8:30 AM: 57-65-79-92kg Qual. Rds. 4:30 AM to 8:30 AM: 61-74-86-125kg Repechage 10:45 AM to 11:45 AM: 57-65-79-92kg Semis 12:00 PM to 3:00 PM: 61-74-86-125kg Finals Monday, 10/4/21 4:30 AM to 8:30 AM: 70-97kg Qual. Rds. 4:30 AM to 8:30 AM: 57-65-79-92kg Repechage 10:45 AM to 11:45 AM: 70-97kg Semis 12:00 PM to 3:00 PM: 57-65-79-92kg Finals Tuesday, 10/5/21 4:30 AM to 8:30 AM: 70-97kg Repechage 12:00 PM to 3:00 PM: 70-97kg Finals
  6. 8 points
    bnwtwg

    Sadulaev is the best I've ever seen

    A counter-argument:
  7. 8 points
    I won’t feel bad for him. It’s easy and painless to get. And highly effective.
  8. 7 points
    bnwtwg

    Worlds Day 2 57/65/79/92kg

    Good win but J’Den Cox needs to start acting like he’s part of this team and run arm bars to finish his opponents like everyone else
  9. 7 points
    Mphillips

    Spencer Lee Questions Answered

    NCAA 2021. Zero ACL's... 16-1 Rnd 1 15-5 Rnd 2 10-2 Quarter 11-0 Semi 7-0 Final
  10. 7 points
    VakAttack

    Micic

    Just another example of my team leading the way. Women and senior citizens are welcome in this wrestling room!
  11. 7 points
    JasonBryant

    HBCUs?

    Marcus, You do the sport no favors when you spout off incorrect stats and figures as if they are gospel. I provided you the exact information you SHOULD be talking about when beating the Title IX drum. I want you to voice your opinion, but I also want you to do it from an educated stance - I disproved two of your claims in two minutes. Others can do the same when you bring that argument to the table. I'm glad being educated on an issue and having the factual information to back it up is considered "fancy." It seems you have a rounding error somewhere.
  12. 6 points
    From UWW: "I really wanted to win in Oslo, because five-time world champion sounds better than four-time champion." "Years of work pays off and thank God I won again. I always have tough matches with Snyder. I could barely get off the mat at the Olympics, today I was tired at the end, but everything went well." "In Tokyo, I immediately began to attack, but here in the first period I decided to see what he would do. I understood his tactics, and in the second period I did not let him take the lead." "I don't have any special tactic for the matches against Snyder. I know he is trying to wear me out. So I was trying to make him wrestle my way and not let him set his own rules. In the end, I noticed that he got more worn out than me." "Personally, I think [Snyder] was better prepared physically and mentally at the Olympics. I was more tired there. It was easier to win [for me] here." ___ Nothing too shocking, although I found the last sentence interesting. I expected Sadulaev might point to his knee injury as a reason for the closer match in Tokyo, but he pointed to Snyder being better prepared for that match instead.
  13. 6 points
    lurk_nowitzki

    Can't believe no mention of KJ

    In my opinion KJ is simply not the big-picture CEO type that is required to run a national program at a high level. That's very different than being an assistant to one of the best CEO's in college wrestling in Sean Bormet though. I think he will excel in this role and be an absolute beast for them on the recruiting trail.
  14. 6 points
    Turns out, it is not as easy as it looks.
  15. 6 points
    BSaitiev is my favorite wrestler ever, but he is not as "perfect" (as in mistake-free) a wrestler as Sadulaev. He was way more fun to watch, incredibly creative, a grandmaster of many more techniques than Sadulaev is a master of his key moves, but I am just so impressed with how Sadulaev completely owned Snyder and how Sadulaev keeps solid position every second of seemingly every match. He is so good at being so basic. Maybe having a few kids keeping him up at night will slow him down.
  16. 6 points
    JasonBryant

    Worlds Day 2 57/65/79/92kg

    Pretty clear 0:00 here in the building.
  17. 6 points
    Are you telling me an anti-vaxxer is getting his data from a bad, obviously propagandistic source that confirms his priors? WHAT???? Not all vaccine skeptics are this stupid, but some of the stuff posted on this forum is breathtaking. I've met 8 year olds better at vetting information sources.
  18. 6 points
    VakAttack

    Worlds Day 1 61/74/86/125kg

    WHOA! FIX HAD HIS JUICES FLOWING THERE! You see what I did there. But also, seriously, Fix looked incredible.
  19. 5 points
    I don't think I'm getting caught in the moment. The Tank is just that good. He made the world finals with Olympic and World gold medalist Snyder look like a routine practice session. It was pretty much a perfect match. Took almost no risk, scored all the points, blocked everything Snyder had (which was nothing, since Sadulaev gave him nothing), and controlled both the pace of the match and where the wrestling occurred. 10 out of 10 in "mat generalship" (to borrow a boxing term). He has the best mat generalship. He holds position the best. He can handfight the best even against a bigger brute like Snyder who has both a size and reach advantage. He has flawless technique. He has the cardio to go with anyone. He has hands down the best par terre. He can scramble the best. He is the best and after this match, I'm calling him the GOAT. The medals will follow, but even right now, he is the best wrestler I've ever seen. How do you beat him?
  20. 5 points
    About the time I read play by play of Helen Maroulis' dominant world gold medal from my wrestling streaming sites Twitter account.
  21. 5 points
    StallWarning

    Suriano to PSU

    Pat Mineo is the king of throw everything at the wall and claim he's a genius if it ends up being true. I wouldn't believer Mineo if he told me the sky was blue. I'd look outside to make sure.
  22. 5 points
    flyingcement

    Covid in 21/22

    I would like to see us evolve the headgear to also include a mask. But each wrestler will have a customized design like in Mexican Lucha Libre. Just have the N95 technology over the mouth hole and problem solved
  23. 5 points
    Do you have a meeting? Because it's going to be during your meeting. And end 1 minute prior to the conclusion of your meeting. The result will be ruined and you won't be able to watch without going in blind. You're not alone because I have already resigned myself to this fate as well.
  24. 5 points
    Gantry

    Worlds Day 3 70/97kg

    Can people PLEASE stop responding to NJDan at this point? Put on ignore and move on, it's enough already...
  25. 5 points
    dmm53

    Worlds Day 2 57/65/79/92kg

    Dake gets a title at 74 KG. He is going to keep moving down in weight as he gets younger and secure titles consecutively at 70 KG and 65 KG. The reverse of what he did in his former NCAA life. Good job, Benjamin Button!
  26. 5 points
    It is still a World Championship regardless of who chose not to go. The amount it is "watered down" depends a lot on the particular weight you are talking about. 86 kg, 97 kg & 125 kg are very tough and most of the non-Olympic weights are comparable to an average year. 57kg 74kg & 65 kg are missing some pretty key guys but you can only wrestle the guys that bother to show up.
  27. 5 points
    IronChef

    Worlds Day 1 61/74/86/125kg

    It was the classic Dake trifecta 1. Won the match 2. Got a lead and quit trying to score 3. Jawed at the ref and his opponent
  28. 5 points
    Fletcher

    Cassioppi

    He accidentally grabbed a juice box out of the Fix family garage refrigerator.
  29. 5 points
    AnklePicker

    Please help Bo Nickal

    Bo Nikal is cool as is. Doesn’t need a nickname.
  30. 5 points
    Along a similar line of thinking I’m going to wait until he can beat a prime Dan Gable and John Smith back to back, followed by a prime Brock Lesner and Jon Jones in the octagon, then prime Flair and Hogan in a triple threat steel cage match, and just to ensure it wasn’t all luck we will go international and he can face a Sicilian in a battle of wits when death is on the line. If he make it through all of this I maybe sold he could win a couple college matches. Inconceivable!
  31. 5 points
  32. 5 points
    poorwrestler

    Iowa to add Women’s program

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  33. 5 points
    na I looked into it you and fletcher were right. sorry for wasting time.
  34. 4 points
    Over a week since Worlds have finished, and I wanted to write my 2 cents on where we are at now with what I would say is the biggest rivalry in World Wrestling right now in Yazdani Vs Taylor. I have some spare time so done this just to generate some conversation, debate and see others thoughts. Let’s go back to 2017 when this all started. The freestyle world cup was being held in Iran, Yazdani the year before had won Olympic Freestyle Gold at 74kg in dramatic fashion, and it was Iran’s first Freestyle gold in 16 years. Yazdani had moved up to 86kg for the first time since the Olympics, and this was his first tournament to test out his new weight. He had 2 other matches apart from Taylor during the 2 days, one against Turkey and the other against Mongolia, and in the style he had back then he absolutely ran through them with pace and techd both of them. Now to the first match between these 2. Unlike Yazdani, Taylor at this point was not that well known on the international scene, and had not achieved any great accolades. Certainly nothing that would make folk feel that he could beat the Olympic Gold medallist in Iran. A lot of people including wrestling media and such remember this match and say that Taylor was down 8-0 at one point and came from behind with the fall. The truth is that Taylor was only ever down 3-0 at the most going into the 2nd period. I think why so many people remember it incorrectly as it being so much more is that it certainly LOOKED and felt like it could have been that scoreline. For the best part of 2 minutes, Yazdani was ragdolling Taylor around the place with his underhook like an empty tracksuit, and Taylor got 2 cautions to his name, and was close to losing via DQ. But on points itself, Taylor actually managed to avoid what most people at this point would have been techd by, and survive going into the 2nd period which we all know he won by fall. I think at this point a lot of Iran, Yazdani, and his team attributed this loss to moving up for the first time at 86kg, clearly gassing and losing via fall because of this. Attributing this purely to the weight change and the gas tank and not giving credit to Taylor on this first occasion is what I feel led to what becomes the 2nd loss against Taylor in Budapest. So moving on 1 year to Budapest in 2018 at the worlds. Taylor missed the 2017 worlds as he lost to Cox in the US trials, and from their first match to here, Yazdani had competed in many tournaments at 86kg and gone undefeated, winning everything in dominant fashion including the 2017 world championship. Any presumed weight issues back at the first Taylor loss look well and truly rectified. As crazy wrestling draws go, what should be the final ends up being the first match of these two at the 2018 worlds. I really believe that going into this match the team around Yaz felt that now that he is accustomed to the weight that he will run through Taylor just like he does everyone else, not giving Taylor’s own style and his own work to nullify Yaz any analysis proves to be a downfall in Budapest. I know Yaz was motivated to avenge being pinned in his own country against the American, and he wanted to go out there and prove a point. In what becomes the highest scoring affair of their 4 matches so far, Yaz goes out and does his thing, but only gets a 6-2 lead at the end of the first period, after putting a lot of energy into trying to take Taylor out in the first. When we enter the 2nd period, it is clear Yaz is fading and Taylor is doing incredibly well off scrambles and keeps collecting points. Yaz concedes 9 points in the 2nd period, many off his own attempts to score. Now to Yazdani, the coaching staff, and many of his beloved Iranian fans it’s starting to be clear that this wasn’t simply a weight change and gas tank issue back in 2017. This wasn’t a fluke. There’s something in David Taylor and his skillset which means Yaz can’t just run through him. Now Iran needs to look at him more seriously. 2-0 is the score now. A whole 3 years goes by before they meet again, with the pandemic, injuries, finally they meet in the Olympic final for the 3rd time. Both older and more mature. David Taylor hungry to achieve his dream of being an Olympic Gold Medallist. Hassan having the weight of millions of Iranians on his shoulders to not only become the first Iranian Double Olympic gold medallist in Freestyle, but also avenge the loss to the only man who seems to have his number. An expectation that seems to be beyond doubt to most of Iran. Straight away it is much more clear that after the first two matches, Yazdani is no longer underestimating Taylor. A very different match takes place than those we have seen before, with almost no offence from Yazdani, trying to essentially just the shut match down and get some pushouts. Taylor does manage to find a takedown, but with 3-2 in favour of Yaz with 17 seconds ago, it seems that Yaz might secure his Olympic Gold in a very tight and cagey affair. Yazdani feels it’s done, but he makes a mistake and Taylor gets the last second takedown and takes Olympic Gold. Yazdani heartbroken, the fear of the backlash from fans back home in his mind, and all the hardwork seemingly to have gone to waste. 3-0 now against Taylor. One of the big turning points in this rivalry I feel is how Iran received Yazdani after this 3rd loss. Outcry of sympathy, popularity rising even higher, sharing his heartbreak in Gold being taken out of his hands with seconds left instead of scolding him. I will be honest I thought he might take a break and not attend the worlds with less than 2 months between the 2. If Iran had turned his back on Yazdani after the 3rd loss, I think we would be 4-0 at this point in time. Less than two months pass and this is the quickest turnaround of these two facing each other again. World championships so soon after Olympics due to the pandemic. A historical moment for wrestling. Taylor is attending as he is hungry for more gold. And Yazdani, is wanting to make up for what happened in Tokyo only 6 weeks prior. Let’s make no mistake about it, credit to both these guys for continuing the hard grind after winning Olympic gold and silver, to come to Oslo. And for Yazdani to put it on the line, because 4-0 would have been devastating for him. In their latest and fourth match, it was clear that the high scoring match from Budapest will no longer be the case from here on in. These are going to be chess matches from now on, with every tweak and adjustment made proving the decisive factor. Also emotionally, I could see in through the week Hassan was a lot more relaxed compared to Tokyo. In the match itself Yazdani finally looked to have a good balance going hard enough with the underhook to be able to last 6 minutes, but also not be too defensive to not have a big enough gap to fall back on like the case in Tokyo, and initiate takedowns. In the end a big cry of emotion as he finally got a score on the board against Taylor and became world champion for the 3rd time. In someways making up for Tokyo a few months prior, but more so doing so in a convincing fashion that made his fans proud. This was more than just revenge for Hassan, this was trying to make reality what he felt inside of himself. That there is not a massive gap between him and Taylor, and that 3-0 could easily have been flipped the other way or 2-1 either way. Every single match has been different, but every single match has been close. Whenever round 5 will be, it will still be very tough to call. So where are we now? Please feel free to discuss, but here are my own take homes at the moment: 4 very different matches, but 2 things I feel has been consistent throughout: -Yazdani in all four matches bosses Taylor around with the underhook, David still has not found an answer for this. -Yaz is in the lead going into the second period every time, and Taylor makes his comeback to win in the 2nd. This is true of all the matches, except that in Oslo, Taylor could not manage to rally back, but this was his gameplan, he didn’t attempt one attack in the first period. With all that being said what is likely to happen in round 5? If Yaz paces himself like he has done in the last two matches it is harder for Taylor to rely on compensating for however much he is down by in the first period, and doing the damage in the 2nd. Is Taylor willing to be more aggressive in the first period next time? On the other hand Taylor still managed twice to get under the legs of Hassan in the last two matches where Hassan was being more cautious and defensive, in Tokyo he was successful on both and won the match, in Oslo he failed on one of them and it proved costly. It could have been a very different match if Taylor finished that takedown. A fascinating rivalry, and the scoreline of 3-1 does not give true context to the nature of how close this battle is. Sad and Snyder are 3-1, but I think 95% of folk would feel Sad wins the next how many encounters unless we see some drastic change. But this one is tough to call. The momentum is going with Yazdani, and Taylor can’t rely on him gassing anymore. Anything could happen next time. Thoughts?
  35. 4 points
  36. 4 points
    Taylor is: 1) 4 years older than Yazdani 2) just accomplished his life-long dream 3) has settled down and started a family 4) is running his own business I would be surprised if Taylor ever beats Yazdani again. He held on just long enough--and even then, only just.
  37. 4 points
    ShakaAloha

    "Lee's knees"

    If he wrestles at 125, Vito Arujau should be included as someone who is a threat to Spencer
  38. 4 points
    wpialchamp

    Can't believe no mention of KJ

    I am sure he is a great guy but I would be more worried about the loss of Russell than excited about his hire. National coach for 2 cycles and we sucked the entire time. Iowa State got progressively worse each year he was the head coach. Maybe some guys are more suited to be assistant coaches. Hopefully this is the case but his track record really isn't that impressive.
  39. 4 points
    Fletcher

    Suriano to PSU

    He's realized after attending both schools that PSU has better academic offerings and is particularly enamored with PSU's Classics Dept.
  40. 4 points
    Plasmodium

    Is JB now the American GOAT?

    Smith knew the rules well. They made the match he lost inconsequential. Like a sprinter getting third in a heat but advancing all the same.
  41. 4 points
    wrestlingnerd

    Iran is on fire

    Deserves its own thread. Congrats to our Iranian forum bros. I'm glad you guys relatively mailed it in at the Olympics, though!
  42. 4 points
    You might be onto something. Decision losses for silver medals this week and back to back finals in the the Olympics and World Championships clearly signify a problem with their training situations. A move to Oregon State or maybe Clarion may produce a more desirable product.
  43. 4 points
    AnklePicker

    Is JB now the American GOAT?

    Ummm Tsargush was a two time world CHAMPION before Burroughs beat him in 2011. WTH are you talking about?
  44. 4 points
    NJDan

    Snyder/Sad Strategy Predictions

    What makes you think that KS is stronger than Sad? Looked to me like KS could not move Sad at all. Plus, Sad routinely flips guys out of chest wraps, which, I think shows mad strength.
  45. 4 points
    And to think back in 2011, Burroughs was a bright hope for USA freestyle wrestling. United States just came out of a disappointing year in 2010 where we placed 22nd as a team with no medalist. Everyone debating and pointing fingers on what had to be done in order to bring USA wrestling back from our low point. Enter JB, the new kid on the block without no major freestyle experience yet beats the defending champ at 74kg. Right there and then, we knew we just witnessed something special but never did I imagine he would be winning a world gold 10 years later. Amazing.
  46. 4 points
    Gantry

    Iran is on fire

    Think I saw they were 16-0 today. SIXTEEN AND ZERO
  47. 4 points
    Cradle1

    Micic

    Moved up to the veterans world championship this year
  48. 4 points
    Jaroslav Hasek

    Flo is not in Oslo

    Flo is not doing commentary for the main UWW feed (which goes out to many other countries, not just where Flo streams it) but 6 Flo's are very much Oslo and working inside the arena right now. A few more Flo's will be in Austin hosting a watch party. Also you couldn't watch Worlds on UWW's website for free since at least 2017. TrackWrestling had UWW streaming rights from 2017-2020 and charged you to watch. I think before before that they may have been free but they didn't even have a live broadcast in the FILA days, so we're talking maybe 2 or 3 years of free broadcasts (which also meant UWW was losing lots of money on the event). You also aren't being charged $150 to watch the worlds on Flo you are being charged $150 for a years worth of the greatest bundle of wrestling the world has ever known. still may not be worth the money to you but you get a whole lot more than one super bad ass tournament for your 150.
  49. 4 points
    Mphillips

    Flo is not in Oslo

    NJ Superdan just doesn't give a f ( ( k. Whatever thought pops into his mind just becomes a fact. Must be a very freeing way to live.
  50. 4 points
    MSU158

    Bouzakis to Ohio State

    Snyder, Pletcher, McKenna and Moore NOT EVEN REMOTELY peaked as freshmen. Hell, Myles Martin had, by far, the best year of his career as a senior, but simply had 1 bad match at NCAA's. The mat wrestling comment is getting old, tired and inaccurate as well since it is really only based on the Jordan family's performance on the mat. Of their current starting lineup, how many show glaring weaknesses on the mat. Please be specific...
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