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  1. 16 points
    When Echemendia was 15, he allegedly defeated Thomas Gilman. By my calculation, Gilman was 12 at the time.
  2. 9 points
    No. There are a lot of things I will do, but attending any kind of entertainment event - sports, theater, concert , and especially indoors - is something that should not be considered at this time. We'll see about 6 months from now.
  3. 9 points
    buckshot1969

    Where is Suriano?

    When the coaches allowed Ashnault to compete in the NCAA finals last year they had to know there was a chance he could win and take some attention away from Nick. I think he has a legit beef this time.
  4. 9 points
    For those of you reading "Unofficial Rules of Wrestling" 1.You only get once pass at celebrating a victory in an overly emotional way, usually when you win a big tournament (like state) for the first time. After that you have to act like you've been there/done that before. Don't be the Roger Federer of wrestling. For those of you who don't know who Roger Federer is, he's arguably the greatest tennis player in history who's won every major tournament a bunch of times. But every time he wins the same tournament again, he flops down on the court, cries, or gets hysterical in some other way like he's a rookie winning the tournament for the first time. 2. You should, as a matter of respect, shake your opponent's coach's hand after the match. The only time you don't have to do this is if your opponent's coach makes a negative remark about you during the match ("He's tired!", "He's doing nothing, ref!" "He's just resting on bottom!", etc). He disrespected you, so there's no need to show him respect by shaking his hand. 3. If you're a nobody (unranked) wrestler who makes it to the state finals against a superior wrestler, don't get overly emotional if you lose. You haven't achieved squat during your wrestling career (which is why you're unranked) and only got to the finals through some fluke. So don't act all angry/devastated when you lose as if you were expected to win. 4. If you're a nobody wrestler, chances are you're going to be spending a lot of time in the consolation bracket. If the #1 or even #2 ranked wrestler gets beat at some point in the tournament and chooses the indignity of joining you and the rest of the yabos in the consolation bracket, don't act all high and mighty and wrestle to defeat him. He's already lowered himself to try to get a meaningless 3rd place. He doesn't need the additional insult of some scrub wrestling hard to defeat him. The rule is you wrestle a solid match but the #1/#2 ranked wrestler gets to win. 5. When a weight class gets called at a tournament and all the wrestlers come down from the bleachers to get their bout sheets, it's the lower ranked wrestler who takes the bout sheet and brings it to the assigned mat for the match. 6. Rules for wrestling against the #1 ranked wrestler/returning champion: *Don't step on to the mat for the match before he does. *You wait until he offers his hand for the handshake before the match starts, never disrespect his higher position by offering your hand first. *You never take the first shot of the match against the #1 guy/returning champion. 7. Your headgear should be relatively clean and presentable. Don't tape it all up, put stickers on it, have it all torn up. It's pretentious and screams that you're trying way too hard to look tough/cool. 8. Tape up visible tattoos. This used to be the sport of kings. Don't denigrate that ideal by your trashy tats. Nobody cares how "meaningful" they are to you or how they make you "unique" (unique like every other jackwagon with tats). 9. Win or lose, go to center mat and get your hand raised or stay there while your opponent gets his hand raised. You don't look extra cool/defiant by running off the mat before your opponent gets his hand raised. 10. If you get screwed over in the finals there are several ways of handling the screw job. The ultimate option is to not show up to the awards ceremony so the 2nd place podium is awkwardly empty, which lets everybody know a screw job took place. The other more discrete option is to show up to the awards ceremony and stand on the 2nd place platform. But when the guy comes around to drape the silver medal around your neck, don't bow down and let him do so. Instead reach out and take the medal from his hand and hold it to the side during the ceremony. This is a subtle way of letting everyone know that you'll take the medal but you don't really accept it. If you want to really go all out, you can stand on the 2nd place platform but refuse to take the medal as he presents it to you. 11. If you win a tournament, don't "invite" the 2nd and 3rd place finishers up to join you on the 1st place podium. It's beyond condescending. You're basically saying to them "You weren't good enough to be up here on your own, but I'll give you permission to join me up here even though you don't really belong here." 12. Keep your headgear on after the match until you're off the mat. Have you noticed that the guy who wins is usually the one who pops his headgear strap off immediately after the final whistle or completely takes off his headgear while the guy who lost usually keeps his on? It's like some act of additional bravado after having won. Oh you say it's "uncomfortable" to keep wearing it? You were just wearing it for the entire match you hypocrite. You can keep it on for a few more seconds until you're off the mat. 13. Don't wear t-shirts advertising what "tough" camp you went to over the summer. Nobody cares or is intimidated that you made it through some "intense" camp. Besides it makes you look foolish if you end up losing to a guy who spent his summer sleeping in until noon and playing video games until dawn. 14. If a guy is wearing those old school tights (leggings) under his singlet then he's either the best wrestler at the tournament or the worst wrestler ever. There's no middle ground when it comes to guys wearing tights under their singlets. 15. If you get bounced early from a tournament it's perfectly ok to get the customary serving of extra large nachos with all the fixings and sit up in the bleachers and enjoy it with a huge satisfying grin as you watch everybody else still wrestling and struggling to make weight for the second day. It's one of the greatest joys of losing. 16. If the ref who's gonna be reffing your match is big fat guy then it's almost a given he's going to act like power hungry prick. If he's sporting the classic fat guy goatee (because fat guys think a goatee makes their double/triple chins less noticeable) then it's assured he's gonna be mega prick. The reason these fatties are colossal pricks is because (1) they're fat and (2) they achieved very little during their wrestling careers and now get a kick out of passive-aggressively projecting their fat frustrations on other wrestlers. The only good thing about having a fat ref is that if you put your opponent on his back these fatties will call a pin faster than they can wolf down an entire pie since it's super uncomfortable for them to be down on the mat on their huge gut for too long. 17. If you opponent is going through an "intimidating" pre-match warm-up (slapping himself all over, blaring angry music from his oversized headphones, doing air sprawls, etc) then you're probably going to beat him fairly easily. The guy's scared and he's trying to hide it by going through this elaborate routine to try to "psyche" you out. The guy you have to worry about is the quiet one who's just standing off to the side of the mat, calmly watching the match going on before you two are up, maybe just nonchalantly bouncing up and down a few times being his entire warm up. 18. Awesome singlet + Brand new state-of-the-art wrestling shoes = mediocre wrestler 19. Your opponent is unusually undersized for your weight class but is highly ranked even though he comes from a no-name school with a non-existent wrestling history? Prepare to be destroyed. 20. You're not listening to a damn word your coach is telling you right before your match if there's a hot stats girl or female trainer nearby. 21. The token chick wrestler on the all-male wrestling team has major issues that you cannot even begin to comprehend. Just let her be. After a few months of trying to prove "she's just as good as any guy", possibly a year if she's really hardcore, she'll get bored and quit. 22. If a wrestler has an injured leg and you see his opponent intentionally avoid shooting in on that leg, don't mistake that for sportsmanship. He's actually hurting the injured leg more by shooting in on the good leg. Why? Because when he gets a single and gets the good leg up in the air he's making the guy balance himself by putting all his weight on the bad leg. Oldest trick in the book to make yourself look like a good sport to the uninformed fans. 23. There are few things more annoying than a loud shrieking middle aged woman cheering during a wrestling match when the rest of the crowd is relatively quiet. "WHOOOOOO!" Alright JOHNNY! WHOOOOO!" 24. It's always disappointing to win a tournament and the medal you get is the exact same design as the medal you got at another tournament a few weeks ago. 25. You made a huge mistake by not taking advantage of the information the announcer said about you to the crowd during your finals appearance at that tournament. While everybody announced that they had a 4.0 GPA, or had signed to wrestle at this or that college, or dedicated this match to their parents, etc...you could have "Been recently nominated for the Nobel Prize and dedicates this match to himself because without him this match wouldn't be taking place right now." 26. How sharp and GQ a coach dresses up to coach his wrestler in the state finals is inversely proportional to how many times he's coached a wrestler in the state finals before. 27. Wrestlers who dye their hair for the state tournament are the watered-down version of tattoo guy. Just like guys with tats, nobody who dyes their hair thinks of it as an original idea on their own. They saw some other shmucks do it and so they decided to copy said shmucks but think they're being original and unique by doing so, much like every guy who gets a tat thinks they're being original and unique. 28. Matside dads are the worse. It's all but guaranteed they've pushed their son to become a wrestler and are living vicariously through him, like most sport's dads do. It's also guaranteed the son hates wrestling even if he's really good at it. Watch any wrestler who has a matside dad and you'll notice he's miserable out there on the mat, even if he's in the process of techpinning his opponent in the state finals. 29. Parents who wear t-shirts and sweaters with encouraging slogans about their son wrestler ("Go Johnny!, "Team Johnny", etc) come in two varieties. Some are plain obnoxious, especially if their son is an awesome wrestler, and they wear those slogans as a way to brag and let everyone know they're the parents of an awesome wrestler. And some are the sweetest, nicest couple you'll ever meet and are being genuinely sincere by wearing those shirts as a way to support a son they love very much. They're the kind of adorable couple who bakes snacks for the entire team and even become friends with their son's opponents and opposing coaches. Likewise, their son is also a respectful person on and off the mat and together they represent the family you wish you had. 30. Muscle shirt guy is harmless. He's just a dude who works out only his glamour muscles (biceps, pecs, abs) for the attention. He's not as strong as he looks. Definitely not even close to being as strong as farmer boy, who although looks soft compared to muscle shirt guy, will toss you around like a ragdoll during a match by using his unbelievable Herculian strength that is achieved only by those who grow up on a farm.
  5. 8 points
    My wife. Quarantined to the bedroom for a week and a half, but thankfully no respiratory issues requiring a hospitalization. She was tested and confirmed. Not fun playing single dad with two elementary kids who were in the middle of e-learning, holding my own job requirements, and talking to my wife through the door when she’s worried by the next day she may need to go to the hospital daily. She said it was just draining on her physically and mentally. She’s better now, and able to give her plasma to help others. But is still nervous returning to work (even with Dr.’s saying she’s likely immune for at least the season) due to fear she may get it or at least get it in her and spread it to someone. Hell, I may have had a light version of it with headache, cough, and more tired than usual for about 4 days, but I just chalked it up to something else and was never tested. It wasn’t near as bad as her so if I did I consider myself lucky. Still tried to stay clear of the family as much as I could which was a juggling act with my wife still quarantined to ensure she was clear. Also, my sister-in-laws mother and father (no contact with my wife and live 45min away). Both also tested and confirmed. He was the first case recorded in his county, but hadn’t ventured out of the city he lived in for months. Both have recovered now but her father required a respirator and constant hospital supervision. Neither my wife nor them live in a major city. Nor other then my wife working did she or go out frequently (Few trips to store no restaurants or other places) after hearing about this virus spreading in the US during the start of the spread. So people please go out and do things if you need to like shopping and work. Just be selective and cautious about What it is especially if it involved more public exposure. You can always do a few outdoor things where you can be more spread out, in order to break up the boredom. Get off your butt from the binge watching of TV, video games, or random internet surfing and do something else. Learn something new (cooking likely is good) , fix up your house (I’m sure there is something), do some family stuff, connect with people on the phone or video, etc. Stop seeing this as an “oh poor me” problem where you lay around most of your new free time and do some productive things while you finally have the time to do it. But if this time is as bad as your life is going to get then consider yourself much luckier almost everyone on this planet pre-Corona. As former wrestlers we should at least know how to deal with the struggle and sacrifice it take to reach the greater goals. It would be nice to use that mentality now, since plenty of these none wrestlers need the example. Don’t live in a hole, but let’s try to at least make some logical decision that will not only help you but others. Be as cautious as you can when going out and being around others especially if you are come into contact with other friends or family members afterward. Sure this things going to spread but there is no need to help it along and overload your local healthcare facilities if you don’t have to. I want to know when someone does get sick the hospital staff is completely ready to focus on that person and has adequate medical supplies. Not that those places are being stretched thin on anything due to multiple people in the area having an advanced form of this. Sorry if you are bored and may have to stretch your personal budget some. But that is still a small struggle for most of you compared to getting certain family or friends very sick causing them and their family more physical, mental, and economic hardship than you are currently going through. Especially if those actions also add to the stain on your local healthcare system too, making it harder to get the best care. This all sucks we get it. It going to suck for awhile regardless. Lets just try to not make to suck a lot more for some people just because some of you think you will be fine.
  6. 7 points
  7. 7 points
    LJB

    Ufc 249

    a whiny "expert" does not equal hot water...
  8. 6 points
    It was held in Toledo, Ohio and was the first World Cup held in the United States. There was to be 16 more World Cups held in Toledo, largely due to the influence of Joe Scalzo and Dick Torio who both were from Toledo. Scalzo, former U. of Toledo Wrestling Coach, a lawyer, VP of FILA at one time, also brought 2 World Championships to Toledo....1962 and 1966. Torio, who owned a health club in Toledo, was a 3 time All-American, wrestling for UT, was involved with 5 Olympic games, 4 as an official, and 1 as a coach. Both of these guys have been inducted into several wrestling Hall of Fames. That first World Cup had a very good team, including Jimmy Carr, Lloyd Keaser, Stan Dziedzic, John and Ben Peterson and maybe a couple other great ones. The single greatest thing I remember during the competition, was Jimmy Carr suplaying the Russian 4 or 5 times in a row, and the Russian coach, Yuri Shakmiradov getting all but one of them taken away during a time out. (no video review back then of course). Another memory I have was up in a press box "filming" from up high in the old Fieldhouse, and Neil Turner of Athletes in Action was sitting next to me during the gift exchange. He told me to watch when Ben and John Peterson (AIA) exchanged there gifts. All the other Soviets opened up there gifts right there....maybe t-shirts/jeans.......but the 2 Soviets with the Peterson's didn't open theirs, as there were Bibles wrapped in the t-shirts. Another great memory was that I was able to go the World Cup training camp.....actually went home and got my movie projector so Gable could show his Munich Gold medal match with Ruslan Ashruliev to the guys in the training camp. During the camp, I watched Gable work out with some really good guys, some who outweighed him and it didn't matter...he dominated. He didn't compete in this meet ....he was coaching with Bill Wieck and Jim Peckham. Gable was to wrestle one more match soon after this competition in Madison Square Garden against the Russians, and then retire, although he did try a comeback a couple years later. Gable beat the 149.5 pounder, Pavel Pinigin in the Garden. Pinigin, who was a Junior World Champion, actually scored a takedown, and then Gable beat him pretty good. Lloyd Keaser beat Pinigin in the World Cup. This meet was the beginning of a great tradition. Other teams that wrestled over the years in the World Cup included Russia, Cuba, Iran, Canada, Japan (As a side note, I attended one session of the 1966 World Championships in Toledo, but was young enough that I couldn't appreciate it yet. Also, it was Greco-Roman which was held the same week as the Freestyle)
  9. 6 points
    KCMO2

    Abe Lincoln wrestling artwork

    Sure it wasn't in Iowa, the fans in the background are calling for stalling.
  10. 6 points
    Cradle1

    Ohio State is vastly underrated

    And to think that this sport hasn’t achieved mainstream appeal.
  11. 6 points
    everytime I see "keggers"
  12. 6 points
    Class

    Ufc 249

    Damn -- 2 full pages had me excited to click and read about the absolutely fantastic card and fights last night, then I had to read through this. It was a wonderful event that brought joy, distraction and fun to millions that needed it last night. Kudos to UFC, Dana White and everyone else. If there are people out there that don't see all the great benefits that this brough and can only focus on a positive test of Jacare and how that was handled, well thanks for the preview of all of the pain the A$$ stuff we have to read through the next 12-24 months. Yeah, COVID is serious, everyone please try to remember and treat it that way. Bitching up a forum about Jacare when the event was FANtastic shows you really are looking for something.
  13. 6 points
    while i wont bother with whether or not the post is in good taste (clearly it isn't)... there a few things i will point out... the treigning lab has a well deserved reputation... downey beat everyone in this country that actually showed up to wrestle last year... downey wrestled well at worlds... bo forfeits matches while on the front side... silly hypothetical macth scores aside, if bo had wanted a piece of downey, he could have showed up...
  14. 6 points
    2td3nf

    Iran Wrestling News

    IMO, this is one of the best threads on the forum. So much pure international wrestling discussion with some very knowledgeable wrestling fans. Also really enjoy when these posters back up their points of view with relevant wrestling videos, articles and interviews, with translations when needed.
  15. 5 points
    Rumors are circulating that Musukaev has been battling covid-19 for years! I'll see myself out now.
  16. 5 points
    AnklePicker

    The "is there talent" debate on Flo

    Set up 20 kids in a classroom with zero training and ask them to draw something realistically. Some kids will inherently be able to draw it some won’t even come close. Those who can have a talent for drawing. I like using drawing because it has nothing to do with success or competition and it’s a fairly complex skill mentally and physically.
  17. 5 points
    I also attended the EIWA tournament at Lehigh; I was on the road, staying in PA and at my Mom's house in NJ, for nearly a week. When my son and I left for Bethlehem there were no deaths and very few confirmed cases; that was all still in the future. Doesn't mean we weren't thinking about it, though, especially after hearing that about 100 regular attendees didn't come due to Covid-19 fears. While we were there we heard of the first confirmed cases in NJ and PA; the day we drove back VA confirmed its first case. The day after we got back home the NCAA tournament was canceled. BTW, I don't think we came close to 3,000 attendees at any point in the tournament; not with so many seats not deployed. I don't personally know anyone who has had the virus. Bedford County, VA, where I live, has had just 41 confirmed cases and two deaths (pop. 85,000); just four new cases in the past two weeks. My sister and mother live in New Jersey, which is the current hot spot in the northeast. They don't go anywhere. Three weeks ago tomorrow I sat in on the spring EIWA coaches' meeting, held on Zoom (something I did not know existed four weeks ago). As I joined, Hofstra head coach Dennis Papadatos was telling the others how his father had recently passed away from Covid-19, and both his mother and brother had been ill with it for more than a month. So they all had the virus before the end of March. I'm making as few trips out as I can and wearing a mask every time I go into a store, and I try to keep my distance. My personal feeling is that anyone who would attend a sporting event (or any other discretionary event) and not wear a mask has rocks in the head. We're nowhere near being over this thing. The life you save by playing it safe may be your own; even more important, it may be mine.
  18. 5 points
    Billyhoyle

    Would you go to dual held today?

    Attending this type of event is extremely selfish. Even though you are young/healthy and likely to survive, increasing the spread of the virus will expose people who are vulnerable and likely to be harmed (and can’t stay inside, locked up because of their jobs). Or if you are at risk as well and just want to take the risk, it’s like saying, “I’m fine to drive when drunk/high. I’m willing to take the risk.” This isn’t just about you. I think most businesses should now start to open up again, but need to do so with extreme caution/limits on density. Holding crowded sporting events would be absolutely irresponsible prior to the vaccine being released/widely available (likely early to mid 2021) and would only lead to another lockdown. We’re past the worst of this thing if we all just act responsibly and like adults.
  19. 5 points
    Cradle1

    documentary about Satiev

    If tsargush, sidakov, and gedeuv can beat JB, imagine what Satiev can do!
  20. 5 points
    CholleyVandine

    Where is Suriano?

    Do they use British English out there in Minnebraska or are you just looking to class up the trollery?
  21. 5 points
    jammen

    Where is Suriano?

    Suriano is my all-time favourite Penn State wrestler.
  22. 5 points
    gowrestle

    Where is Suriano?

    I also understand that the university denied the request from the family to rename the school, University of Suriano. That probably was the proverbial “final nail in the coffin.”
  23. 4 points
    AHamilton

    Michigan

    Keggers!!!
  24. 4 points
    gimpeltf

    Would you go to dual held today?

    You could have stopped after the first 3 words.
  25. 4 points
    red blades

    Would you go to dual held today?

    So many nominees for the Darwin awards here...
  26. 4 points
    madcat11

    Would you go to dual held today?

    No. I have almost no fear of getting it myself. Me passing it to someone more vulnerable is what worries me.
  27. 4 points
    **** I along with my son and 2 other staunch Lehigh fans, went to the EIWAs at Stabler arena on March 6 & 7, just a few days before the first lock downs. Attendance was between 2,500 and 3,000 for each session. I have not had any health problems since, nor am I aware of anyone else who attended having any health issues, (I keep in touch with many wrestling fans). There must have been Covid 19 germs flying around at that tournament, being the location is in Very Eastern PA and Zero Precautions were taken. Many attendees were from New York, New Jersey, PA, Maryland and other states. We also attended a very crowded local brew pub between sessions. So in answer to the question, Yes, I would attend. We have been locked down too long already. The Lock Down, although well meaning, has severely damaged both our economy and the mental well being of our citizens. Open things up now! There may be subsequent waves of the virus which will result in more sickness, but Herd Immunity is the only real way to deal with the situation.
  28. 4 points
    Dave Shultz in 1982- 3rd at 82 kg; 1st the next year at 74kg Adam Satiev was at 68 kg in 97, goes up 2 wt classes (because of his brother) to win 2000 Olympics 82 kg
  29. 4 points
    A) When that is anything more than your uninformed opinion, I'll revisit this. But you do need a correction because he did earn that right. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion a fact. That's free advice, it may help you some day. 2) And even if that's what it is, he earned that privilege. So again, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean its not his right. Hate to break it to you but you are not the authority on what someone's rights are, nor are you the authority on decisions you have zero knowledge about. Don't worry not trying to change your mind. We all know how you feel about anything that goes against YOUR way of thinking. Just pointing out a few things you seem to have little concept of.
  30. 4 points
    BuckyBadger

    Utter Dominance at the Olympics

    Anyone remember Karam Gaber?In 2004 he made his competition look pedestrian. He would toss people at will, and it didn’t even look like he was trying that hard.
  31. 4 points
    wrestfan

    Iran Wrestling News

    in Iran, most people in wrestling community consider USA as the best example. clear rules, nobody can complain. but I think it won't be easy to use that method in Iran, because in Iran top wrestlers always find a way to the team from the backdoor ! it's really hard to change that culture whenever we have a new guy in the federation, he claims having a trial system is in top of his priorities. they make some rules but after failing in 1 or 2 years they go back to the old system. it happened so many times in past 20 years. the USA system sometimes hurts (because you don't send the best guy sometimes) but it helps in long term. but that never worked in Iran because it was never a long term plan. to me there is no perfect system, you always lose something to gain something else, nowadays we have lots of local competitions, wrestlers know each other, sometimes some guys are just bad matchup for a better wrestler, for example Ebrahimi and Karimi at 92kg, Ebrahimi beat Karimi multiple times but then his record in international competitions is nowhere near Karimi. what's the best decision here ? sending the better guy (Karimi) or the guy who is only good to beat Karimi !!?? while in freestyle I believe the better wrestler most of the time ends up as the winner, we can't say the same about Greco. accident happens a lot there, so many matches are decided by just one mistake or one action, sometimes even by just a caution. I think specially in Greco they should consider so many other things and not just one match at the trials.
  32. 4 points
    irani

    Iran Wrestling News

    Thanks for your kind words. I believe I deserve primary credit. I post incorrect statements, and that forces @wrestfan @Shiraz123and @The Genius to post videos, articles and interviews to show that I was wrong. My contributions are invaluable to this thread :)
  33. 4 points
    The guy is definitely in his early 20s ,doesn’t matter much now but definitely screwed a few guys at Fargo last year. wrestling wise he’s pretty damn good on his feet but a solid top guy probably tears him up, after 8 years of Ohio state failing to get the Jordan’s or really anyone to improve much on bottom I’d say it’ll probably be a pretty big issue for AE, very possible he has a Micah Jordan type career
  34. 3 points
    I have been away for awhile, but I can't leave a good debate untouched. Listening to the recent FRL discussions of talent I couldn't resist commenting on it and I wonder what you guys think. First of all, Ben does something in this discussion that really disturbs me. He continually ensured the audience that he has done a ton of research on this as a reason for why he is right. That is not an argument. In my opinion it comes from a place of insecurity saying "I know my points don't sound great, but trust me, I know the truth". Bens argument is that there is no talent because all people have different skillsets they are born with. It is up to the individual to optimize the skill sets that are strong and build the ones that are weak. Therefore there is no distinct advantage in being born as someone with more fast twitch muscle capabilities if you can both develop that and optimize something else like flexibility or spatial reasoning. This is a flawed premise. It assumes that applicable skills are divvied out at an equal amount, and as long as you can develop those skills that or weak and optimize those that are strong you can be great at anything, which is not true. He also says you need to factor in what the play as a child, and then puts it on everyone else to prove that its not a thing. First of all, he needs to defend the argument he is making, not put it on others to disprove his theory. Also, is he denying genetics? He doesn't want to use 100m dash or track in general where genetic advantages are clear. Ethiopian long distance runners are not the best in the world because solely based on their play when they are younger. It may play a part, but their genetic make-up is ultimately what separates them from the best in the world. This predisposition to a high Vo2 max could be described as talent. It is an advantage that comes from genetic selection. Ben wants to limit the discussion to wrestling only when that point gets brought up. He says that the complexity of the sport allows for different skillsets to come into play. This is true. There are more variables at play. However, it does not account for the person who is given very little in any of the skills that he lists. This unlucky recipient could do everything possible to become the best wrestler in the world, but he will always be playing catchup to those who are more talented. Even if that person is able to get substantially better, there are still limits in time and eventually entropy will come in to play. Ben falls victim to the cliche of hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard, but any time I hear this I always think, "What if talent works hard?" Further, what if someone hits the genetic lottery, has strength, speed, flexibility, mental toughness, etc. at a higher degree than most? That person would be described as talented wouldn't he? I fail to see how someone who won the genetic lottery could ever lose to genetic loser if all other things are equal. The fact is, at the highest level of athletics natural selection does come in to play. Michael phelps is the best in swimming and he also has the ideal body for the sport. I could have never beat him no matter how hard I tried. He is just too talented. This isn't to say Phelps didn't have to work as hard, or that I could not have been a great swimmer in my own right. Hard work most certainly comes in to play, but it is not mutually exclusive. When all other things are equal, a natural talent will win the day. Yes, wrestling is different, but there are some skills that are more favored over others. Some are just more talented. I think Ben has fallen victim to the survivorship bias. He so badly wants to say genetics and luck are not a thing, likely out of ego or its just the coach in him, and he will analyze all of the best to prove his point . However he fails to recognize those who never reached a high level despite tremendous amounts of work; those who lacked the necessary talent. I may sound like a broken record as I have recommended the book the Sports Gene by David Epstein multiple times here. It is a well sourced book. I would honestly be surprised if Ben hadn't read it and I'd be very interested to hear what he thinks of the examples given by it. For those who want to read more about this specific topic it is a really good one and a fun, easy read.
  35. 3 points
    Yeah, that damn modern medicine just messes everything up. My whole family should have just accepted death or crippling injuries.
  36. 3 points
    OR

    IMar and Engel to OSU

    Just announced that Isaiah Martinez and Nate Engel are heading to Corvallis. Coupled with Pendleton, this looks like a great staff! https://osubeavers.com/sports/wrestling
  37. 3 points
    red blades

    Would you go to dual held today?

    Cary, I see N. Carolina is posting its highest daily increase in positive cases just today, at 1017 - and the day isn't even over yet. https://www.newsweek.com/north-carolina-reports-highest-daily-coronavirus-infection-increase-state-enters-phase-2-reopening-1506194 Keep your head down buddy. Don't be a hero.
  38. 3 points
    Finally cleaned out my home office today, so That I could use it again. I have this one above my desk. Looks like Possibly Brands bro and someone else, but can’t place it. Didn’t think it was Vanni though the time period fits. And I’ve got this classic one with Gable hanging on the other side of the room too. And for a good wrestling friends previous birthday I bought him this 1996 Olympic wrestling poster. Should have grabbed one for me too when I had the chance. It go me thinking what other good wrestling poster are out there? I know there are the generic Determination style posters with a random photo shot that they switch out with another picture for a different sport. Due to that I don’t consider that a great wrestling poster. Seems like we are due for a few more good ones, but I haven’t seen any recently.
  39. 3 points
    Nazar won 3 titles. I believe he had an injury his freshman year and didn't compete in the post season, but he never lost at NCAA.
  40. 3 points
    Yes and keep it Folkstyle, It might need to be a short season next year.Might be difficult to move the date of nationals next year (Although the fact that there is only one pro team n Scotttrade or whatever it is called>next year)
  41. 3 points
    Do we have a vaccine for HIV? Did we have a vaccine for the 2017/18 flu?
  42. 3 points
    NERD TIME!!! First and foremost, Rogue One is the best of anything made after 4, 5, 6. Not sure if anyone cares, but I'm a huge star wars fan so now I am gunna get going. In Rogue One we meet the character Chirrut Imwe (played by Donnie Yen) While he is not a jedi, he wields a staff and has a fondness of the jedi religion. Watching Yen and his staff is how I envision all jedi would fight....its just that Hammil, Ewen McGregor, Liam neeson and the rest of the actors who played Jedi's were not good enough with their swords to convey how masterful Jedi's really were supposed to be. Could you imagine a lightsaber dual between Luke and Vader if they both could do this? Check it
  43. 3 points
    BadgerMon

    Utter Dominance at the Olympics

    People talk about Gable and Tom Brands dominating at the Olympics, and the 1984 team overwhelming the opposition. But, almost lost to history is the animal that John Peterson of Cumberland, Wisconsin became one fine week in 1976... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_at_the_1976_Summer_Olympics_–_Men's_freestyle_82_kg His closest match was a 7 pointer against the best in the world. Also, John speaks of the importance of wrestling GRECO to help one's freestyle. Enjoy!
  44. 3 points
    MedicineMan

    Owings v. Gable in Living Color

    JadGable before he learned to raise his own arm in victorious manner.
  45. 3 points
    HurricaneWrestling2

    Former poster "Big"

    Suzy Shagwell
  46. 3 points
    Hey guys, I am creating a new GIF series containing daily clips of Jason Nolf takedowns alongside my text analysis. Above is a link to Day 1 for those interested (I'm currently on Day 6). You can follow the series on my YouTube channel community tab: https://www.youtube.com/user/dps83189/community or on Twitter: https://twitter.com/DPSBreakdowns Take care, DPS
  47. 3 points
    irani

    Iran Wrestling News

    @Gantry, while the discussions seem respectful on this board, every time I disagree with @The Geniuson this board, the next day, I find my car has been keyed! I am beginning to suspect there is a cor relationship :)
  48. 3 points
    IMO both are the incredibly taxing. I once heard a boxer talk about relaxing and controlling your breath during a bout. You get one minute breaks but you also have to take a step back when you can and maybe cover up and absorb a little to give your arms a rest. Of course if the other guy doesn’t need to slow down because he’s in better shape you’re in deep trouble. There is no time to slow down or relax during a wrestling match and if you try you’ll get scored on. Plus, refs can hit you for stalling if you take a break. I was always dead after a six minute match. I’d run 3 miles before practice six days a week, then I’d practice, do live wrestling then do conditioning which was sandbags or sprints or bear crawl or some other kind of torture. Then I’d go home and eat next to nothing then go out and run another five to six miles. Then after all of that training I’d only be good for about four minutes. I think if I could have eaten during the season I’d have been better off.
  49. 3 points
    Gantry

    Iran Wrestling News

    Agreed, easily one of the best if not the best thread on the forums. In addition to everything you said I'll add what I think is the most important thing - when the main people here disagree they do it respectfully and QUICKLY. They don't go back and forth for pages, they don't try to get the last word in, they concede points to the other side, they don't fill it up with straw men and personal attacks and at the end of the day they agree to disagree and move on. They make the thread about the wrestling and not their opinions, it's glorious.
  50. 3 points
    I'll be blunt...there isn't likely to be a wrestling season until there's a vaccine. Most likely, there won't be any sports until there's a vaccine, but if things are opened up on a sport-by-sport basis, wrestling is probably going to be the very last sport to be allowed, due to the nature of it and the relative lack of protective equipment.
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