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Snyder will be too damn strong for Cox. But wrestling up is the best option for getting back down to his usual weight for contesting worlds at that weight. (if they still do that)

100% should not ref anywhere ever again.

He needs to pick Ohio State. Three training partner reasons are: * Kyle Snyder * Kollin Moore * Kerkvliet Not to mention Singletary, MyMar, and Hoffman. If Amos wants to sharpen his steel, this room is the sharpener.

I think that's a pretty foolish/narrow view. There's real talent at this tournament. There are many more quality champs than there are Richie Lewis'. What better way to simulate a world championship? Here are some of the guys that competed in U23's last year: Idrisov -- wins U23's last year, wins Russian nationals this year. Rei Higuchi -- doesn't need an introduction. David Baev -- 2nd at U23's last year, wins Russian nationals this year. Salkazanov -- just took 3rd at Dogu. A. Kentchadze -- senior world silver, plenty of other senior level accomplishments. N. Kentchadze -- senior Euro bronze. Ghasempour -- senior Asian champ, now ranked top 5 in the world. Naifonov -- senior Euro champ. Plenty of senior level accomplishments. Russian nationals champ. Suleymanov -- ranked top 10 at the senior level. Zubairov -- just took 3rd at Dogu. Matcharashvilli -- senior Euro silver. Gamidov -- Russian nationals runner-up. Shabani -- just teched Alborov and took Snyder down to the wire. Is Nickal too good for this tournament? Because every one of these guys is more credentialed than he is at this point.

This is what I was referring to. He had plenty of real competition in college. Edit to answer your question (I don't want to be like TBar) - Nickal does not have a deep freestyle resume. Agreed. I'm discussing his college victories. Very impressive and very dominating. I think he will evolve and be very very good at freestyle. Will he represent team USA at world championships or Olympics? I can see it happening but I would not think so before 2021.

You can't make out what he says in the audio. But, my lip reading tells me that he called him a "terrible referee." I might have called him a lot worse. Not taking anything away from Lee, but he should have only scored 4 points based on the action from the match. There were 6 points off a leg lace when the ref let Lee work for 20 seconds before he was able to lock up the lace. The takedown was with 46 seconds left in the 1st and they never got back to their feet. The first takedown in the 2nd was also not a takedown because Hepner had Lee's foot the entire time. We have lots of experience with this official. He is never very good, and is consistently verbally abusive to the wrestlers. He also bullies the younger officials into changing their calls.

It is possible that you're both correct... It may be an old term that didn't enter popular culture until NYPD Blue.

I don’t have the Flo sub, would love to see the video and wonder if there’s any audio on what the kid said to him.

i stand corrected

I think it is really funny how this group still looks at these guys as representing a particular university/college. How is David Taylor considered to be representing PSU? Is James Green still primarily a Nebraska guy? Dake hasn't wrestled for Cornell since March of 2013. These guys are all USA wrestlers and should be supported as such. Way too much bickering about where they went/go to school.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ref-strikes-ru-wrestling-2020-commit-hepner.169998/ Ref was removed from the tournament.

https://www.flowrestling.org/events/6280615-2019-usmc-cadet-and-junior-national-championships/videos?playing=6533267&limit=60 There's the link to the video. Hepner was on the wrong end of a few questionable calls...He started jawing at the ref before the end of the first and then again at the end of the match. He probably shouldn't have been spouting off but he didn't seem to be threatening in a way that deserved an open hand push/punch by the ref. Ref should at least be suspended if not banned completely...glad the situation wasn't worse than it could have been.

I wouldn't disagree with that. 2017 World Champ JB looked phenomenal compared to 2018 JB. I mean it says a lot to see a lot of the international guys move 1, even 2 weight classes since the rule change. Also, Salkazanov actually beat Gor in the bronze medal match. Maybe we're sleeping on Salkazanov...

U23 allows one to wrestle. From that perspective it is important. You get to explore your skills against those you may meet in the future. For US wrestlers transitioning into Freestyle a needed platform.

I think, over time, U23's could become more and more important. For many countries, including ourselves, across a handful of weight classes, the 2nd best at the weight has a very good chance at being U23 eligible. This then gives these wrestlers fantastic international experience that they would have not otherwise gained, sitting on the "bench". Sure, they're National Team Members (in the case of Bo Nickal), but folks like Kollin Moore benefited greatly from his Junior and U23 experiences (in my opinion). But anyway, there's always someone willing to complain. Ironic that this time it's "too much wrestling" and the "quality isn't good". Meh... whatevs...

You want them to wrestle? There has to be higher monetary incentives. Why wrestle in the Yasar Dogu final if you think it could do anything to hurt your chances in the Worlds? That's where the pay day is, and it is their job. ....but yes. I see what you are getting at...

I seem to remember a very long debated thread about the age of the earth. Creationism vs evolutionism

Whoah. Be careful. You'll be accused of being a commie with that kind of talk.

Are we actually debating having a reasonable discussion about crazy-assed tweets from world team members?

If we have Yianni and DT in our line up we contend with russia. With zain/downey we are competing for 2nd.

I've been told that John Smith is extremely strong. I just watched Yianni's youtube interview after he had won his 2nd cadet world title in 2016. Hard to believe he was a cadet in September of 2016. What a freakin stud. Zain Retherford is one of the most dominant college wrestlers of the last 80 years. Yet after he's out of college and a full time freestyler this sophomore in college is at least his equal. I hope everyone appreciates what we are seeing with our USA program at this time. JB-5X World Champ, Kyle Snider, 3X World Champ, J'Den Cox, Kyle Dake, David Taylor, Yiannni D, Daton Fix, Spencer Lee and maybe Steveson...Gwiz may not have the titles, but one more top 3 and he joins pretty rare air at heavyweight for USA.

Dan: you know you’re violating the terms of your restraining order with this thread.

From what the former presidential candidate has gathered through my intelligence sources, Cael isn't looking for a new Ferrari any more.

Guys - relax! This urge to tear others down is pathetic. Perfectly fine for programs to give kids another chance. And it is to be expected that some kids go off the rails. Doesn't make the program evil or bad. Particularly when the programs have graduated large numbers of fine young men. And .. not every kid is going to be a good fit for each program. Stuff happens, people move on. All good. Both Penn State and Iowa have storied and revered programs. Programs to be envied and admired. This incessant urge to find flaws and tear folks down is something that is building in our society. Not good. Not good at all.