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  1. 7 points
    pamela

    Merged: Downey thread

    Downey = eyeballs and clicks, no way would Flo drop him from the card. I'm also hoping Pletcher gets "sick" with the flu last minute and oh no, and the match with Caldwell is about to be cancelled, Darrion's just standing there at center mat flexing... but wait!! Who is -- what's that entrance music playing? Who's walking towards the mat in camo warmups?? Is that -- DEAR LORD IT'S BRENT METCALF!!!
  2. 7 points
    Idaho

    Darrin Caldwell is back

    Is Darrin coached by Carl?
  3. 6 points
    goheels1812

    Merged: Downey thread

    Not to completely miss the point of the subject, but why is everyone freaking out on Flo on social media? As a company the bottom line for them is making money. They obviously have access to viewership numbers on everything they film live and videos they post. If they see that they don’t get the same hits on women’s matches as they do men’s matches, then it’s not their moral responsibility to offer the same contract to the women. Dake vs. Chamizo is going to be a crazy viewership draw. Whether it’s right or wrong, the women just don’t have a headliner that can compete with that strictly from the standpoint of generating views. I think people miss the mark on Flo’s goal for the sport. Their goals are centered around making money and growing their platform. Hence why you can’t pay monthly and have to pay a yearly fee. If they grow the sport in the process then that’s great. I feel like people really need to change their perspective on what Flo brings to the table for wrestling. It’s a platform to give us as fans easier access to watch matches, replays, documentaries, etc. But at the end of the day they have bottom lines and it’s about revenue. As for women’s wrestling, I’m a huge fan. I love watching our senior level girls. Helen Maroulis’ run to gold in Rio is one of my favorite US Olympic moments. But that being said, it’s not Flo’s job to promote women’s wrestling as much as the community wants it to be. The onus for doing that is on USA wrestling, UWW, AWW, NWCA, and the women themselves. PD’s initial comments were insensitive, but then he started getting flat out childish and disrespectful in some back and forth with Sarah Hildebrandt and Jacarra Winchester. The dude just doesn’t know when it’s time to stop.
  4. 6 points
    Timo

    David Taylor vs. Logan Stieber

    Stieber Worlds = 1st, 12th, 19th for 2016, 2017, 2018. In 2016, he had 4 wins to take the championship. All 4 guys would eventually be world medalists - 1 gold, 1 silver and 4 bronzes between them. So even though this was a non olympic weight in an olympic year, it was a very tough tournament and I wouldn't diminish the gold medal in any way. He earned that thing. Stieber had 2 losses in the 2017 worlds and they were both to past or future gold medalists. Stieber was one loss and out in 2018 and it was to the eventual bronze medalist. So his world championship performances were all competitive with the best in the world. Taylor Worlds = 1st in 2018. Taylor had 5 wins and 1 was against a past gold medalist and one was against the 2018 silver medalist. Taylor took longer to make it to the world championships because he was 1-11 against Burroughs, Dake and Cox. It took the establishing of new weight classes at 79 and 92 kg to spread these guys out and open up a spot for Taylor. Stieber did not have any USA gold medalists to fight through to make it to the first team. Stieber USA Open National Championships = 3rd,6th,4th,3rd,4th,2nd,3rd for 2009,10,13,14,15,16,18. Stieber wrestled his first US Open in 2009 at age 18. It took him from then till 2016 to make his first appearance at the world championships. I think that tells you something about how hard it is to make it through the gauntlet of very good wrestlers to make the first team. Taylor USA Open National Championships = 2nd,2nd,1st,1st,1st,1st for 2013-2018. Taylor wrestled in the 2012 Olympic Trials at age 21 and it took him till 2018 to make his first appearance at the world championships. Reinforces the comment on how hard it is to make it to the first team. Two of the very best all time NCAA wrestlers who both made it to the world team to win gold. The results say that Taylor made the transition from folkstyle to freestyle a little better than Stieber did. They both made it through the very difficult process to make the team. But Taylor's overall freestyle record is better. I think Stieber was an outstanding control wrestler (could ride anyone) but that isn't valued in freestyle. Taylor's style is more wide open and scrambling and that has worked a little better.
  5. 6 points
    VakAttack

    David Taylor vs. Logan Stieber

    I don't think the losses to Patterson, Lara, or Perrelli are on Stieber's official record, they were during his redshirt year. Otherwise we're adding two more losses to Taylor's tally, one more to Jenkins and a loss to Cyler Sanderson. I completely disagree with the idea that Taylor faced superior competition. I think it's more likely to favor Stieber in that conversation (Oliver, Zain, Ramos, Mitchell Port, Kendric Maple, Devin Carter vs. Dake (never beat), Jenkins [got decked], St. John, Caldwell), but also Stieber notably BEAT those guys. The two best guys Taylor faced, he never beat. Taylor was more dominant in terms of bonus points, though.
  6. 5 points
    Lurker

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    The short "just the facts ma'am" version: A couple of the women's national team members stated on twitter that they were offered a match on the 7/25 card, but that it ($$) was waaaaay less than what the men were getting. PD3 came on and said (paraphrasing) that he would pay to watch women and greco, but the average fan would not. This started a little bit of back and forth on the topic. PD3 started taking it a little past expressing his opinion on why the women aren't being offered more, and started taking personal shots, at one point making what could be considered a threat toward one of the women. He eventually posted a screenshot of a typed apology. Salata was one of the women involved in the dialogue. UWW Creative (a paradoy twitter account, thank you JB) retweeted one of her tweets with a comment about her being on fire, and she responded that is nothing, just wait until I show FLO about one of their employees texting the women telling them they should post more bikini pics. The next day NJRTC announced they had released PD3, PD3 tweeted that he was withdrawing from the card since they didn't have any women or greco matches, and Flo announced he was no longer on the card. Willie Saylor tweeted that there was more to PD3 than just the tweets, and he could be in big trouble. Pat Mineo tweeted that Nomad had been fired. Everything else (including the Saylor and Mineo tweets) is pure speculation.
  7. 4 points
    Hi I'm Coach Fiorito and you may be familiar with my Youtube channel Wrestling Mastery. In my latest breakdown I chose to cover a very powerful technique that's not used by the masses. For most of us it's not an unfamiliar combination of positions, but definitely when used together a new move for most. Both wrestlers I cover that use this technique exceptionally well come out of the same powerhouse region of wrestling, North Ossetia Alania in Russia. This is one of David Baev's go to techniques and a position Soslan Ramonov will look for. For this reason I gave the move the name ALANS DUMP. For those that don't know about North Ossetia Alania, it's home to the Alans International a qualifier for the Yarigin. And a close rival to Dagestan. Khetag Tsabolov, David Baev, Soslan Ramonov, and Zaurbek Sidakov are a few world beaters from this region. Hope you enjoy my video.
  8. 4 points
    MadMardigain

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    Leshismore comes in like:
  9. 4 points
    GreatWhiteNorth

    Merged: Downey thread

    My opinion is that I don't enjoy watching women's wrestling. I wouldn't pay to watch it. Men's wrestling is much more exciting to me, personally. I believe the numbers will show that the majority of fans have a similar opinion. Seems like I should get to have that opinion. It may not be diplomatic, nor politically correct - but it's my opinion. In a free country like the US, shouldn't I get to have that opinion and voice it without retribution? Seems like I should. I agree it won't be well received by some, isn't politically correct, and it isn't in the best interest of wrestling - but it is still my opinion. That being said, I don't enjoy watching men's volleyball at all. I find it boring, too. Women's volleyball is so much more fun to watch - both beach and indoor. Hands down better. As both a collegiate wrestler and collegiate and USVBA volleyball player, it seems like my experience gives my opinion at least some legitimacy. I don't dislike women who wrestle or men who play volleyball... I just wouldn't pay to watch either one. What a terrible world it would be if we couldn't voice our opinions, and instead we all were forced to agree on everything.
  10. 3 points
    gimpeltf

    Merged: Downey thread

    Are you guys related?
  11. 3 points
    LJB

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    willie playing the close minded jack ass to nomad's shaking head was ok for the kids who just want drama... askren has was the absolute best pick up they could have got and has made 3Xs as much content exponentially more worthwhile...
  12. 3 points
    leshismore

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    I miss Marty sometimes. Sort of like a demolition derby. Entertaining at times... but you really are never going to take it as serious. And FRL was the best when Willie was on, in a sort of ticked off mood... and Nomad would disagree for no reason. Those were the days my friend. There was the right amount of tension and a lot of great wrestling talk.
  13. 3 points
    MadMardigain

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    He got LI Marty’ed. The Fireworks are about to start.
  14. 3 points
    LJB

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    maybe they can set up bunk beds in willie's parents basement...
  15. 3 points
    bnwtwg

    Maybe Flo really is the devil?

    PREPOSTEROUS!
  16. 3 points
    IronChef

    Goodale on the season to come

    There is no conflict with March Madness. The timing of the NCAA wrestling tournament allows it to get a ton of tv coverage because ESPN does not have basketball rights. Moving to late April means competing for ESPN air time with playoff basketball and Major League Baseball. There are reasons to move the season. March Madness is not one of them.
  17. 3 points
    nyum

    Merged: Downey thread

    Cancel culture really has no place in wrestling if you ask me
  18. 3 points
    BTC

    Darrin Caldwell is back

    This just in, resident NLWC athlete Darrin Caldwell was forced to pull out and is being replaced by NCAA champ Darrion Caldwell (no relation).
  19. 3 points
    madcat11

    Darrin Caldwell is back

    Askrens lace might be better than his gut.
  20. 3 points
    Now that Tbar has stepped back from the forums I think you have taken the title for most likely to ruin a thread within your first three posts.
  21. 3 points
    Lunaticfringe

    Real Woods and Shane Griffith

    In regard to the program being dropped, is the school still honoring scholarships for athletes for school? If you are Woods, Eischens, Griffith as young guys with 3 years remaining but would have the school honor your scholarship, would you leave? Wrestling doesn’t last forever but a Stanford degree would.
  22. 3 points
    Idaho

    Real Woods and Shane Griffith

    If they stay at Stanford next year they will be three years into their degree (junior academically and a sophomore athletically). If they took Sumer classes in 21 they could technically graduate by December 21 then transfer having only lost a semester of competition, still having 1.5 seasons of eligibility and have a Stanford degree.
  23. 3 points
    I'm surprised you would defend someone named PinFall!
  24. 3 points
    It's ok guys. It doesn't bother me. If it's an issue for one, it's probably an issue for more. It is something i want to fix. I prefer it be as immediate as possible as well. A PM is probably the better route to go though for sure. I do appreciate the backup though!
  25. 3 points
    Seriously? You are calling out a guy who does great work because he doesn't have a transfer listed yet? You already know he transferred why do you need it on a list? Next time why don't you just send him a personal message and ask him to update rather than throwing him under the bus on a thread? Is that so hard? In the landscape of college wrestling right now there are much better things to focus on than a transfer not listed. @PinFallRecruit I wish you could block people from seeing your FREE information then maybe they would appreciate it.
  26. 3 points
    hammerlockthree

    Real Woods and Shane Griffith

    No one knows whether you are making a stupid joke about mckenna or actually think thats true.
  27. 3 points
    balanceseeker

    David Taylor vs. Logan Stieber

    Logan was in 9th grade and Taylor 10th. This was Logan Stieber's only high school lost. Taylor dropped dropped a match to Ben Sergent from Troy Christian early freshman year and also lost to Jamie Clark from St. Ed (a couple times I thought but I may be wrong). I've watched both these guys since they were in middle school. By any objective metric Logan had the better college career. He had two more titles and had wins over much tougher competition (Oliver, Ramos, Retherford, Carter). Both were extremely dominant even against AA caliber competition. I agree Taylor has the edge in freestyle at this point due to consistency and winning at an Olympic weight.
  28. 3 points
    Its a good question. Taylor had the added appeal of dominating while looking like a 13 year old boy half his career, where as Stieber was often complimented (dismissively) for his freakish strength. Taylor had a much more dynamic style, it seemed like you never knew what he was gonna pull out, meanwhile Stieber just fired off lefty off his lefty sweep/low double combo and no one could stop it. Fair or not, stiebers off year world title does not have anywhere near the luster of Taylors title at an olympic weight. Stieber also got completely clowned several times at the senior level which is hard to imagine happening to taylor. In my mind the wins over Yazdani Chariti are what put Taylors career on another level.
  29. 3 points
    MedicineMan

    Champs who got pinned

    Johny Hendriks got pinned about 2 minutes before he won the title, for true.
  30. 2 points
    https://www.si.com/college/iowa/wrestling/iowa-wrestling-071020 SI is a tarnished brand, but this is pretty cool just in how kind of run of the mill the article is. It didn't require some special event or human interest story, just regular coverage like a regular sport. Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
  31. 2 points
    Hey hey hey, they showed some old Penn State clips and interviewed themselves about them and called it a docuseries
  32. 2 points
    hammerlockthree

    Did Nomad Really Get Fired?

    I am a paying customer. I don't like seeing our sports leading media platform undermine itself constantly with this fanboy approach to their jobs. Let's say you are correct, and Pyles was tacitly admitting that they bailed on Downey because his tweets were not PC enough, that means they grabbed a guy whose almost entire relevance to the sport was being a loud idiot on social media, offered him $10,000, and then bailed on him because it turned out he is a loud idiot on social media. This is not competence. If it turns out Downey has basically committed a crime and they can't talk about it(as lurker thinks), then they should say that, or say nothing, not treat their customers like a bunch of idiots.
  33. 2 points
    LJB

    Merged: Downey thread

    To be fair, everyone that has actually met downey likes him personally... yes, he is a jack ass on social media but if we are gonna call out everyone who is a jack ass on the google webs, this server is going to shut down... downey does not fit this silly mold our sport has decided you have to or else... he’s tried and failed multiple times... it just doesn’t work for him... it’s just time to move on... he made a world team after finally getting the right training environment for him... that’s not a bad career... go make some money in MMA where it is being a jack ass on social media inflates your pay check...
  34. 2 points
  35. 2 points
    PSUSMC

    Maybe Flo really is the devil?

    People didn't care about the folkstyle season back then either?
  36. 2 points
    LJB

    Maybe Flo really is the devil?

    it's 72 pt font... geez, get it right...
  37. 2 points
    LJB

    Merged: Downey thread

    the ducking taylor is about the silliest thing ever... but... once again... the below average will create their own narrative no matter what they are presented with...
  38. 2 points
    Wrestleknownothing

    Merged: Downey thread

    Or maybe just his right to get paid to be a frivolous ahole. Pretty sure he is still exercising that right for free.
  39. 2 points
    alliseeisgold

    Merged: Downey thread

    Njrtc policy is crap and trying to merge ivy with jersey shore is a death sentence. Fire downey to get real woods ? U really think suriano is gonna wrestle for njrtc after seeing how fake they are ? And now they pissed reece off, what are they without reece ? What accomplishments does njrtc have outside of downey ? Downey keeps getting more popular because they see an innocent man whose being lynched
  40. 2 points
    Tofurky

    Maybe Flo really is the devil?

    I'll say this about Flo: since Martin started the site as a really odd fanboy however long ago, their staff focus has been on only what they consider to be "elite" wrestling content. They provide excellent material, without question, but it's based on the fanboy arrogance of the staff (and there is enough fanboy arrogance within that staff to fill the University of Michigan football stadium). That said, I have experienced first hand that if you publicly call out specific staff members on forums or social media, but back it up with reasonable arguments, they do respond. I did this with Willie and NJCAA wrestling here a few years back. I will not claim that I was the only person proverbially beating that drum, but I know it didn't hurt. At that time, they were prioritizing pre-high school youth wrestling more than any level of college wrestling that wasn't Division I. Whether the people at Flo saw it as opportunity for more subscribers or just that it was the right thing to do, I don't know. What I do know os that they listened and adjusted. That said, I go to Flo's site once every few months anymore, as most of the personalities are self-absorbed (there and here), and the content is lacking, especially when they don't cover things that they don't come up with. As if wrestling isn't far enough on the fringe to start, we need the infighting, too? Rudis does a great job of making women a priority through their social media marketing, to include technique videos I faithfully watch when they post them. As a father of two girls, I don't know if I can ever back this enough.
  41. 2 points
    Were the screenshots ever released? Because as described, that's some creepy s*it. I can't imagine how it would feel as a female athlete to have a member of the largest wrestling media organization ask for you to post pics in a bikini. Based on what we know thusfar, Flo really had no choice but to fire him, which they seem to have quickly done. I see some people coming at them on Twitter for this, but I'm not sure what they are supposed to have done beyond what they did? Can't control what your employees are doing with their private time, and when it came out they controlled what they could control: his employment status. The one way I see this being laid on Flo's doorstep is if it comes out Nomad had a history of this, or if Flo knew and did nothing before it was outed by Salata.
  42. 2 points
    Does this mean Downey isn't going to get a degree from Princeton?
  43. 2 points
    Husker_Du

    Merged: Downey thread

    good lord, ljb is insufferable. it's been a long time since i've seen anyone be more wrong at every turn on these boards. which is an accomplishment of some sort.
  44. 2 points
    VakAttack

    Merged: Downey thread

    100% no. Everybody faces consequences for things they say, the Constitution only says that the government will not infringe on your rights to Free Speech (even though it does in some select circumstances). ETA: People lose their jobs all the time for saying stupid things.
  45. 2 points
    MSU158

    Worst Losers

    One thing I think we can all agree on is how easy it is to be the moral police on message boards......
  46. 2 points
    This just in! On 7.26.20, Pletcher is going to have three matches! Match 1 - Luke Pletcher vs. Kyle Snyder Match 2 - Luke Pletcher vs. Alexander Karelin Match 3 - Luke Pletcher vs. A Kodiak Grizzly Bear named Ralphie
  47. 2 points
    Lurker

    2021 Olympics

    Well, it was a valiant effort Irani
  48. 2 points
    gowrestle

    Bad Look for Wrestling

    The NWCA had a good thing going running the National Dual Meet Tournament. A few coaches didn’t like it and now the event is history. Nothing attracts interest more than a dual meet. At the current rate of D1 programs being dropped, it’s just a matter of time till wrestling loses NCAA recognition.
  49. 2 points
    If I were a Stanford wrestler in this economy, I would strongly consider options to stay at Stanford (unless I could land a spot at a school like Princeton). Wrestling is fun and all, but a good education can open doors when you're trying to pay bills in a few years. Missing out on career opportunities early in life can put you in a hole you'll never quite recover from.
  50. 2 points
    LJB

    Flo's Response

    wrong... 100% wrong... Flo gets bashed here on a daily basis for everything they do and do not do...
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