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  1. 13 points
    Over the last few years, the US has dramatically improved it's junior world success. I looked at the last 10 years to try and understand how we can use this larger data set to help predict future college success. There is way more you can do with this data. I kind of wish I was still in college so I could spend way more time on this, but I still think this info is interesting. I'm specifically looking at Men's Freestyle. Facts From 2009-2018, there have been 27 junior world medalists, including 5 who have at least 2 medals. I'm removing Pico from the rest of this as he gave up his college eligibility without wrestling, so I'll be using the 26 number for the rest of this. The USA has won 9 golds from 7 wrestlers (Mark Hall (2x), Spencer Lee (2x), Mekhi Lewis, Daton Fix, Gable Steveson, Kyle Snyder, Dom Bradley) Only 1 of the gold medalists who has competed in college hasn't won an NCAA title (Dom Bradley). That included Hall and Lee, both of whom won titles as true freshman. Medalists with completed eligibility average 2.8 AAs over the course of their career. That means that a medalist is more likely to AA than not in any given year. 20 junior world medalists have competed at least 1 year in college. Only 3 haven't AAd and only 1 is out of eligibility (Butler). 13 of the 26 medalists have used up their NCAA eligibility and 12 AAd at least once. That suggests that junior world medalists have a 92% chance of AAing Only 1 of those 12 out of eligibility AAers AAd once (Pat Downey), wihch suggests junior world medalists have an 85% chance of AAing at least twice. 11 of the 22 wrestlers who have competed in college at least for 1 year were finalists. 9 of the 13 guys without eligibility left AAd at least 3 times! (69%) 10 of the 13 guys without eligibility left AAd at least twice Ryan Deakin and Mitch McKee are at risk of throwing off these numbers, as they are both junior world medalists (and finalist) who haven't AAd. Each still has eligibility, so it is likely they AA. 7 out of 12 guys without eligibility remaining won an NCAA title. This suggests that 58% of medalists will win a title. What is even crazier is if we include those still with eligibility (excluding those that haven't competed yet), 50% have won an NCAA title! The guys added here include Zahid Valencia, Mark Hall and Spencer Lee. 6 out of those 12 won multiple titles! There are all kinds of interesting extrapolations that can be made from the data, but it is pretty clear that being a junior world medalist means it is highly likely you will AA multiple times and you have about a 50/50 chance of winning more than 1 title. For a gold medalist, the likelihood of winning a national title is 75%. If we take this way too far... Gable Steveson, Mekhi Lewis and Daton Fix each have a 75% of winning a national title at some point Both Mitch McKee and Ryan Deakin are very likely to AA Joey McKenna has at least a 69% likelihood of AAing this year (although if we account for it being his senior year, nobody who has AAd previously and won a junior world medal didn't AA their senior year, so 100%) Micic is extremely likely to AA and likely to win a title in the next two seasons Aaron Brooks, Zach Elam and Brady Berge have a 76% chance to AA at least twice and a 58% chance of winning a national title. Mark Hall, Zahid Valencia and Spencer Lee are likely to win at least 1 more title I can't wait for the season to start
  2. 13 points

    Mckee/Brock style

    Brock is coached by youtube highlights is one of the greatest pieces of wrestling analysis I've ever heard.
  3. 10 points
    @KMF - hate to be a grammar snob, but I think you meant to say "too" instead of "to".
  4. 10 points
    Jaroslav Hasek

    Rocket Mortgage ad on Flo

    those ads aren't chosen by the themat.com, they are populated by a third party vendor based on your browser history and ISP details. so maybe it's time to start surfing in incognito mode.
  5. 9 points

    Another Wrestler in Congress

    Hopefully this one doesn't embarrass the wrestling community like the last few.
  6. 9 points

    Maroulis gets smashed.

    That is hard to watch. Helen is a Champion and always will be a champion. Whatever she decides, nothing changes. Still a Champion.
  7. 9 points

    Sadulaev by pin little over a minute

    Snyder needs to know I got pinned too. Many times. And look at me now. It will be okay.
  8. 8 points
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  9. 8 points


    I don't know how he can feel so under the radar, but with our current loaded team, he still does somehow. Yet with just one more medal of any type, J'Den Cox will be a top 10 all-time guy for us. I think he gets lost in the shuffle because of his NCAA career being juxtaposed with Snyder and just after favorite son Dake and favorite son Taylor. And his ascension to national team-er felt like Goliath vs. Dake and Goliath vs. Taylor where he was the afterthought in "expected" results. And now his freestyle accomplishments are happening in the shadow of Burroughs, Snyder, and again Dake and Taylor. But suddenly you look up and it's J'Den Cox, all-time great. Awesome wrestler, awesome talent...and seemingly awesome guy. Much, much respect.
  10. 8 points
    It was amazing worlds! Yes i like greco more than fs. I wait for greco worlds. But fs was more interesting than many boxing/mma events! Amazing soviet Taylor and Dake, upset by Bonne, last seconds by Gazi, Agkgul losses, Surprise from Japan at 65, pulled singlets, tears, Ohio sad day etc!. All of this was in this words! thanks for the support! Together - we are force! Fight and Olympics forever!
  11. 8 points

    Taylor wins

    I could not be more impressed with Taylor in this tournament. He is not dominating, but he is wrestling through really tough positions, making small adjustments on the spot, and competing with conviction, determination, and self-confidence. Beautiful tournament.
  12. 7 points
    Great idea, let's run off one of our only posters putting forth solid effort on original content.
  13. 7 points
    Badger Fan


    At the first home dual meet of the season, the Wisconsin Badgers unveiled a word printed front and center on the wrestling mat - bELIeve. The letters ELI are capitalized for Eli Stickley, the Badger wrestler who tragically passed away this past summer. After the unveiling, there was a moment of silence in honor of Eli. It was the greatest tribute to a person I have ever seen in my entire life.
  14. 7 points

    Yarygin 2019

    Illegal drugs coursing through his veins? He didn’t take an illegal drug. Your bias is showing. Stop lying. you sound like an anti pot activist from the 80s. He tested positive for an amphetamine, which is legal out of competition. It was still in his system when he was tested for in competition, which made it not allowable. It isn’t illegal. it isn’t a steroid. It has zero impact on his performance on the mat. He is likely to end up in prison because he took a legal drug and had tattoos? Ok then buddy.
  15. 7 points

    Russian Revolution

    JhRose, I don’t think it’s that simple. I agree with a bunch of what you say but there’s something about culture and spartan training conditions that bring out the best in some athletes. There’s a very interesting book named The Talent Code that discusses cultural and geographic hotbeds of talent in various sports—soccer (Brazilian ghettos), LPGA golf champions (Soruh Korea), etc.—and makes the argument that it’s not just practice and talent, but other factors not often studied such as “ignition” (identifying deeply with a certain elite group or role model) also matter a lot. Whether you agree with the book and it’s research or not, it’s impossible to ignore how fabulously productive a very small percentage of the Russian population that lives in abject poverty has been in wrestling. I highly doubt we’re drawing from a weaker genetic pool even after we lose a ton of talent to football and the more popular sports.
  16. 7 points

    Day 2 Thread

    Stud! Hopefully the Living the Dream Fund will cover Lasik surgery
  17. 7 points

    Day 2 Thread

    Honestly, it started when I first covered the World Championships in 2003 in NYC. I've been around it since then. My first non-U.S. worlds was in 2007, then haven't missed a World or Olympics since 2009. I've been on a broadcast/announcing role every year since 2013, so it's years of of piling this stuff up, understanding naming conventions. I've kept a massive announcing sheet Google Doc that I've shared with Ken Berger, Bryan Hazard and other announcers and it's just familiarity and practice. I don't nail everything, but I do spend heavy time between when I get the entry list and the start of the event hammering out the details of the athletes.
  18. 6 points


    Another World Championships has come and gone and it's time to update the rankings! Welcome to the list David Taylor, Kyle Dake and Joe Colon! I tweaked the scoring to give Olympic Gold a little more value. As always, if missing someone, let me know and give their credentials if possible. Remember, this a career ranking and not who was best at their peak. Olympic Champion = 8.5 points World Champion = 6.5 points Olympic Silver/Bronze = 5 points World Silver/Bronze = 4 points NCAA National Title = 2 points NCAA Finalist = 1 point NCAA All-American = 0.5 point Bruce Baumgartner (74.5) 2 Olympic Gold/3 World Gold/1 Olympic Silver/3 World Silver/1 Olympic Bronze/3 World Bronze/1 NCAA Title/2 NCAA Finals John Smith (48) 2 Olympic Gold/4 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Jordan Burroughs (47) 1 Olympic Gold/4 World Gold/2 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Dave Schultz (38.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/3 World Silver/2 World Bronze/1 NCAA Title/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Kyle Snyder (31.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 World Gold/1 World Silver/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Lee Kemp (30.5) 3 World Gold/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Rick Sanders (29.5) 1 World Gold/2 Olympic Silver/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Mark Schultz (27.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 World Gold/3 NCAA Titles Kenny Monday (24) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/1 Olympic Silver/1 NCAA Title/ 2 NCAA Finals Kevin Jackson (24) 1 Olympic Gold/2 World Gold/1 NCAA Final/3 NCAA AA Terry Brands (23) 2 World Gold/1 Olympic Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Wayne Wells (22) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/1 World Silver/1 NCAA Title/ 1 NCAA Final J'Den Cox (22) 1 World Gold/1 Olympic Bronze/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Ben Peterson (21.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 Olympic Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles John Peterson (21.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 Olympic Silver/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze Tom Brands (21.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/3 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA AA Cael Sanderson (21) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Silver/4 NCAA Titles Chris Campbell (20.5) 1 Olympic Bronze/ 1 World Gold/1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Lincoln Mcllravy (20) 1 Olympic Bronze/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Sammie Henson (20) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Gold/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Dan Gable (20) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Kurt Angle (20) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Barry Davis (19.5) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA AA Greg Gibson (19) 2 World Silver/1 World Silver (Greco)/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Finals Melvin Douglas (18.5) 1 World Gold/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles Jake Varner (18.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/2 NCAA Finals Ed Banach (15.5) 1 Olympic Gold/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Finals Cary Kolat (14.5) 1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Joe Williams (14.5) 2 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Logan Stieber (14.5) 1 World Gold/ 4 NCAA Titles Kyle Dake (14.5) 1 World Gold/ 4 NCAA Titles Randy Lewis (14) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Zeke Jones (13.5) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Gold/1 NCAA Final/2 NCAA AA Nick Gwiazdowski (13.5) 2 World Bronze/ 2 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA Final/ 1 NCAA AA Bobby Weaver (13) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Silver/1 NCAA AA David Taylor (12.5) 1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/2 NCAA Finals Lou Banach (12.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Titles Bill Smith (12.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Titles Stephen Neal (12) 1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Doug Blubaugh (11.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 NCAA Title/2 NCAA AA Kendall Cross (11.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 NCAA Title/2 NCAA AA Nate Carr (11) 1 Olympic Bronze/3 NCAA Titles Stephen Abas (11) 1 Olympic Silver/3 NCAA Titles Brandon Slay (10.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Finals James Green (10)1 World Silver/ 1 World Bronze/ 4 NCAA AA Jake Herbert (9.5) 1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Russ Hellickson (9) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Bronze Don Pritzlaff (9) 1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/ 2 NCAA AA Coleman Scott (9) 1 Olympic Bronze/1 NCAA Title/1 NCAA Final/2 NCAA AA Bill Zadick (9) 1 World Gold/1 NCAA Title/ 1 NCAA AA Kerry McCoy (8.5) 1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA AA Royce Alger (8.5) 1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Henry Cejuda (8.5) 1 Olympic Gold Tervel Dlagnev(8) 2 World Bronze Thomas Gilman (6) 1 World Silver/ 1 NCAA Final/ 2 NCAA AA Mike Zadick (5.5) 1 World Silver/ 3 NCAA AA Joe Colon (4.5)1 World Bronze/1 NCAA AA *Honorable Mention: Yojiro Uetake-Obata (23) 2 Olympic Gold (Japan)/3 NCAA Titles
  19. 6 points

    Mckee/Brock style

    These guys are great, and I think it's cause Mckee wrestles like a meathead, and Brock wrestles like he was coached by youtube highlights. This seems like it makes them vulnerable to each other, but stingy physical wrestlers seem like they can crush Brock and stingy technical wrestlers seem to control Mckee. I'd be surprised if either of these guys ever made a final. I'm not really driving at anything I just wanted to know if anyone had any insights based on that commentary.
  20. 6 points
    This is a bad take on nearly all fronts. The only thing I would partially agree with is the seeding still needs work, which UWW has agreed with. 1) The reffing was fine 2) The rules are fine 3) Snyder was not "fearful" before the match. He just got beat. I would have like to see how good Sad's conditioning was having to deal with Snyder's pressure, but we didn't get to see that 4) If Dake comes down next year, I'm picking JB. He still has all the tools he needs to be the best P4P in the world 5) JB's performance was outstanding. He gave up a late takedown to the champ in a very winnable match. My only issue with his performance (and this is nitpicky), he played it a little close to the vest the whole tournament. He did the same thing last year and nobody cared because he won. If he had beat Sidakov and won gold, everyone would be fine with him.
  21. 6 points
    As an American wrestling fan, it would be nice if I could dislike our main rival but nothing but respect for Sad and the way he goes about everything. Classy guy and just a joy to watch on the mat, every time.
  22. 6 points
    El lucador

    congratulate me!

    It's not official until the drug tests come in.
  23. 6 points

    Day 2 Thread

  24. 6 points

    Validative experiences

    I went to the 2006 Big Ten Wrestling Championships at Indiana, not only because I was joining a friend at Big Tens, but because a guy wrestling for Ohio State, who I had known from my gym, was trying to make it to Nationals. In a crucial match, he had it locked up, and then he got taken down in the last few seconds. He lost the next match, too, and he never went to Nationals After his near miss, I was working out in the gym at the hotel where I was staying in Indiana. It was a very small gym. Only enough room for two stationary bikes, two treads and a few free weights. The only other guy in that room was a guy in a hooded shirt on a stationary bike and me on a tread. I looked closer. It was Dan Gable. I got off of my treadmill and said hello. He asked me if I had a kid wrestling, and I replied that I was following a young Ohio State man from my gym who had just lost. He asked his name, and I told him. Gable said, "Hell of a double-leg." After that, I got back on the tread and absolutely killed myself to run hard in that hot room. After all, Gable was the only other person in the room. I was walking in the main area about an hour later, and I told my wrestling buddy about the Gable story. When asked about how hard I worked, I said "I did the best I could." Gable walked by the same time and said, "You did well." This is all true, and it ranks near the top of my validative experiences. Anyone else?
  25. 6 points

    Where is Abdullahgadzhi Khuzin?

    Where ISN'T Khuzin??? He is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent. He is Khuzin!!!