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rickybobby

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  1. I believe this is Bucknell's own doing. They are a 4 year, no RS school. Don't think Sleigh would have been eligible for another year of scholarship money unless they opened up this policy.
  2. Next year 1. PSU 2. tOSU - unless they punt I would say get used to these two at 1 and 2 (either one at 1) for the foreseeable future unless one decides to punt a year. Everybody else scrapping for #3
  3. Possibly, if you add up the regular season, B1G & NCAA matches. Stoll can't beat anyone by more than 1 point. If he can, he pins them.
  4. Jeezus, what a bunch of mollies we have in this thread. Hasn't anyone here ever been in a front headlock? Yeah, it's dirty, savage and ruthless just like the thousands of well placed knuckles, fingers, etc. that happen on a daily occurrence in wrestling. It's a combat sport - sh*t happens. Not excusing it, but it's not like this makes him the Charles Manson of NCAA wrestling that some on here make out.
  5. Stand up if you are male and have urinated in public. Not as a habit, but in your lifetime, drinking involved for those of you who imbide, emergency only for those of you that don't. Ok now EVERYBODY in the room sit down. That said, being the head coach at a D1 institution, and you get cited for it - it's a problem and it embarrasses your university. But dealt with and done. Happens again after you survive the first time and you are an idiot, but that's not what happened here. I can understand if he is canned then, although I would think it is harsh, but he wasn't. What happened with this is so far away from the above and has nothing to do with this. I have conceded I get the environment we are in and probably that something like this in the past impacts the administration decision, but again, your attack was "laundry list" and "long time coming." Posts like that impugn character. If you want to throw in the coaching hire this year, fine, but to me that was a positive in his favor that bit him in the ass through no fault of his own and if anything he was very protective of the university in that. I can live with my coach having an embarrassing (and not dangerous) incident that he obviously learned from and then also being a tough and demanding guy. Others can't. I can lament the fact that the university will use a pathetic incident to wash its hands, while still understanding why it happened. Doesn't change the fact that I think it's weak. You don't. I understand your position. I don't think you understand mine. The crux of my point is that when you throw out the stuff you did in your post, coupled with a coach leaving mid-season, most will get the impression that he's some kind of rogue coach, or there were serious issues with behavior. There weren't. I know you have brought up this incident and said it is not acceptable in amateur athletics. I disagree with you about what athletics at the D1 level is. It's not HS. And the semantics about the exchange of services for representation is just that...semantics. These kids are getting compensated to wrestle, to sacrifice time - time that could be spent elsewhere - in the form of tuition and room and board, and the people in charge of them are evaluated based on their performance. Not like in HS, where the good guy coach can roll on for 25 years because he teaches the right things and doesn't cause any waves regardless of his teams performance (and I'm not saying this is a bad thing as one of my good friends is an excellent coach at the HS level and does an excellent job with his kids, despite not being a very good coach in terms of winning. I would be happy for any of my kids to play under him in his sport, he will treat them well and teach them things.)
  6. Amateur athletics - i.e. high school - and D1 wrestling where you are getting paid to wrestle are a different ballgame. People's jobs are on the line in regards to performance. You are right that the public citation was an embarrassment and he was lucky to survive that. My point is that I have seen other coaches get inebriated there as well. And if you are unfortunate enough to run afoul of the law when inebriated it is a problem when you are a coach. It was also dealt with and there have been no issues since that. I'm not Col Jessup and I can certainly see if some recent alumni and current wrestlers feel his style his tough. Some kids embrace it, some not so much. If you want to argue that his mistake here was not handling this the right way in the current educational environment, I'll respect that opinion. I don't think we'd be seeing the same thing happen 25, 20 or even 10 years ago. My point is your posts are not specific and your "laundry list" comment. I'm not asking you to be specific, but throwing that out there is an assault on the man's character and leads to speculation from those that are peripherally aware of the issue that also impugns his character. This is not fair. He's a good man with good character. And a good coach. I'm also entitled to my opinion and mine is that faced with the situation, I would tell my kid to suck it up, work harder, don't look to place the blame elsewhere, or find a new situation if this one is not tenable. You are getting paid to do a job and this is what the real world is like. I will admit that I don't have much patience for things like mental duress in my family and that this opinion may not be shared by all. Everybody faces pressure when they are in a position to have to perform, you are not always going to be happy and it's up to you and only you to fix that when faced with it. I will admit that also being faced with the situation if it was my kid, I would be p.o.'d but my reaction would also be to look for what we are or aren't doing in this to be faced with it. I know this is not always the case in this day and age.
  7. If you've heard stuff 3rd hand, you're like most and you are just guessing. So you really shouldn't have any feelings to support LN. I've experienced first hand. As my significant other and I went through the situation yesterday and recounted the EXACT things that lead to this, I said to her "don't you realize how this could get slanted and what a guy with an ax to grind could do with this if he relayed the situation like this..." and then she said, "oh, yeah, you're right." Because she didn't think that way to start off. Because she didn't raise her kid to be a p....
  8. You live in Binghamton and are a coach (I'm guessing HS) and a fan. I have a kid there. Your above posts are a joke - laundry list, lol. The NCAA incident is public record. No excuses, but it's not like it was a DUI. If been to many nationals and seen many of the coaches have a few too many. Pretty common, except for getting the citation. It was dealt with, and if you can name a time in public in the past few years since then that you have seen the guy throwing them back, I will applaud - and then call you a liar. His offseason hire this year didn't work out. Hiring a friend and giving the guy a path back into the ranks. A well respected coach by most and would have been a great get. I get it, another strike, but Dernlan wasn't the one who screwed up. Excuse me for not getting worked up about it. And now this. Which is the snowflake of all snowflake situations. Funny thing we had almost the exact same situation when my older boy was in HS and the counselor at the HS basically tied our HC hands from doing anything at all involving criticism or sitting the kid. The kid and his parents had pretty much carte blanche to wrestle and practice whenever they wanted. A little different here, but in the ballpark. I guess our HC in high school had better survival instincts than Matt. You may have a different opinion than I, and many do in this day and age, and maybe it was time to part ways. I get it, schools and universities are funny places in the current era when it comes to stuff like the above. It certainly isn't the climate that it was 25 or 50 years ago. You could also have a different opinion and not think he is getting the job done. Although if you were close to the team you could see they have some talent there after the last recruiting class and the direction was pointing up, which is a positive given the university support which you acknowledged in your discussion of the AD. I would disagree with you and think the program is trending upwards. But to basically issue a character assault on the man is a complete joke by you. Tough coach and sometimes demanding. Yeah, sometimes if I was one of his wrestlers, I'd think he's being a d*^k. But a good man, with character. Don't assault it because you don't like him. Fortunately, Kyle and Jasen are absolutely great. Big plus with Jasen returning. With Matt as a close second, he was the #1 reason we were comfortable there. I guess we will see what happens this spring, I hope they are not just given lip service in the search. But the uncertainty given the players involved is unsettling.
  9. My mistake. Forgot about the sterling reputation of the "Oxford" of message boards. Perhaps I should take my sarcasm over to BWI, or better yet, the "Cesspool."
  10. ...never be a member of a national championship team. Unless he transfers,of course. Fortunately he will always be able to tell people he was in the "best lightweight room in the country."
  11. In order: 285 - Snyder 149 - Retherford 157 - Nolf 174 - Hall 141 - Heil 125 - NATO 197 - Moore 165 - IMAR Not on list: 133 - wide open 184 - Nickal/Valencia - 50/50 No further discussion is needed...
  12. 57kg Field - 80 60kg Maple - 60 65kg Retherford - 30 70kg Field - 50 74kg Dake - 13 86kg Taylor - 9 97kg Field - 100 120kg Rey - 30
  13. To paraphrase Jason Bryant's quote on this topic: You tell one of these guys there are only 10 spots in the lineup and they say, "That's great, who are the other 9 guys I'll be wrestling with?"
  14. Sasso is listed as an uncommitted prospect. Committed prospects are in blue. Prospects listed are top kids in PSU's area plus national kids that have been linked to PSU at some point.
  15. You guarantee this was not the case????????? Try this: https://twitter.com/Mitch_Rupert/status/833430254647668741 (Wish I knew how to embed tweet/video here) Not sure how you can view that and still think that he wasn't pinned for at least two seconds. He's flat from about .5 to 4.0 seconds in that video. Clear view of the situation from this camera angle.. Of course there were under 10 seconds in the period and I'm sure the assistant ref was counting and in that situation the guy was just waiting for the period to end and was not going to call it no matter what. The guy missed it. Probably because of the crowd and the lateness of the period. It happens. Not sure why people want to make excuses for the ref. They all make mistakes.
  16. Media day and Cael addressed every weight: 125 - Suriano. Cael sounded extremely confident when discussing Suriano about getting consistent results. There was a question about question marks at some weights and Cael basically said 125 wasn't one of them (although 133 and 141 were mentioned). He walked it back at the end by saying - he's only a true freshman, but that sounded like coachspeak. You can tell he has real high expectations about him. 133 - very little mention. Said it would be Cortez, a transfer from Illinois. New guy, he said. That was about it. 141 - Gulibon looks to be the guy but is facing competition from a couple of guys in the room. Long discussion. Says JG has the talent to be a NC, is putting in the work of a NC, but it's up to him to do it when the lights go on. Can't do it for him. Demeanor was basically like "not sure what to expect in results, not much more we can do, up to Jimmy." 149/57 Zain & Nolf duh 165 Said Joseph will be the guy and expects him to do very well. Again sounded confident. 174 Said Morelli and Rasheed battling it out. Morelli won 2 matches at nationals last year and Rasheed can do some special things but was just at the wrong weight last year. Talked a bit more about Rasheed. Was asked about Hall, said RS is the plan for now. 184 Both Nickal and McCutcheon here. Says he has two of the best 184lbers in the nation, Cutch is healthy. 197 Kellen Stout is the starter. Said he is a good kid, good family and has gotten a lot better (although the way he said it it sounded like he needed to). Then talked about Cassar, but says he is not cleared. If/when he is, it sounded like he expected Cassar to be the starter. 285 Nevills. Seemed very confident talking about Nevills. Somebody asked about a backup and Cael said they wouldn't need to pull anybody out of RS, Nick Nevills is fully healthy and will be healthy all season.
  17. Yes, it is even more difficult to receive academic aid at PSU as an incoming frosh. Just pointing out that this doesn't happen at PSU. The statement I bolded above is more what I was getting at with what is happening at PSU. Although I referenced my own situation, just to point out that this is not isolated to PSU - it happens everywhere - just probably not with as elite wrestlers as is happening currently at PSU (and probably a couple of other select schools). BTW, that debt is daunting in my mind also. Although it is ultimately his decision, I have also strongly advised against it. Fortunately, it looks as if he is going to take the money. I think if the number (debt) was a bit more palatable to him, it may have gone the other way. But I have direct knowledge of a couple of wrestlers that made different decisions - three, in fact. And honestly, it didn't really work out the best for any of them that I have known. But it happens all the time.
  18. Nick Nevills is on record as stating he got 60 percent. He was the #5 overall recruit at a weight which generally commands more money than the middle weights. We had a kid from our HS who was a PA finalist and multi medalist turn down a 3/4 scholarship offer (from a mid level D1) to go there for book money. Rumor has it that Manville is going ROTC ala Matt Brown, so there is no money tied up there. Cael is on record - last year - that the only one on academic aid is the kid from Alabama- or Georgia, cant remember which - he's a 4.0 student in chemistry. Devon Von Cura - not expected to be a starter. Its very difficult for the average student to be awarded academic money at PSU, unlike some universities who shall remain nameless who have programs to attract out of state students with academic grants for fairly pedestrian IMO HS academic achievement. Doesn't happen at PSU. I currently have a member of my family weighing his options for college. On one hand he has a B1G institution offering him a 1/4 scholarship. We have the financial aid estimate and to wrestle there he is looking at approximately 125K debt coming out in 5 years. On the other hand he has a full offer at a mid level D1 school. No debt. I can tell you this has been a difficult decision for him. Fortunately, in my and his mothers opinion, it looks like he is going to take the money. However, it is entirely his decision. I can easily see how PSU is able to fit all of these kids in the 9.9, but the facts above fit your agenda.
  19. I wasn't "freakin out" about it, nor did I make any declarations about Suriano and Gilman. I would think Gilman would win rather decisively at this point. Just making a general observation about Marinelli. From what insiders are posting now on HR, it looks like a RS anyway now, which is what I would have expected. I don't think the Hall-Marinelli match was close. Don't think a Joseph-Marinelli one would be either at this point. JMO.
  20. A lot of fair comments about this dual - which will be close, because it happens in CHA. One thing I just don't get is the love affair with Marinelli and the idea that he is going to stick with Joseph as a trFR - one poster has him going down 6-5. I get that he is the highest rated recruit coming in for Iowa after a few years of subpar recruiting and he is being hyped by the Black & Gold hype machine (you could probably say the same for Cassar with the B/W machine when he has done relatively little in folkstyle). He may turn out to be very good, but that is projecting some serious growth over the next few months. He wrestled Hall this year and was handled. I don't recall him wrestling anyone else near the kind of super elite HS level since the last time he wrestled Manville - who is almost universally derided here - in a tough OT win. He looked like a 157 wrestling in a fairly mediocre 160 bracket (for Ironman). I know he went 170 postseason, but that was probably for the challenge being Ohio D2. I don't see him being able to stay with Joseph at all at this time. And it's not like the Brands are churning out these superstar upper middleweights every year. I really think he will have a very, very difficult time AAing as a trFR - again, unless we are projecting a big improvement. What am I missing?
  21. No. Reenan and Mueller ar from Texas. Rogers is from PA. He attended Penns Valley HS for two years before transferring to Sem.
  22. Translation: I'm circling back to my first statement. Someone exposed my weak attempt to argue, so I'm done.
  23. You have a ? mark next to Lehigh. They are a top academic school and located in a hotbed of wrestling (DXI). They also have top 10 attendance each year, and wrestling is a big deal at this school - which counts to some recruits.
  24. I wouldn't write off Dinmore as a potential starter this year (although he is not the favorite) and right now he is the most likely 141 starter in 2017-18. Considering this year he will be only freshman eligibility (greyshirt, then redshirt), I'd say he doesn't make a lot of sense. Ashnault will still be there in 2017-18.
  25. I see you are still having a hard time with this. PA had undisputedly 2 of their best guys at this weight for the dual (Hidlay & Philippi-132) and possibly one more (Rogers) although that is debatable and moot since Chakonis was at the weight for NJ. Who knows with the middle school kids but since they were both state champs we can call that moot as well. Meanwhile you basically just listed all the nationally ranked kids from NJ that I hadn't put in the lineup up there - should I have just done this for PA as well (BTW - Van Brill WAS listed up there)? You can look that up here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man Baby steps - I took general rank in terms of the state for each wrestler from both squads and switched them for the squads with a like ranked wrestler at the weight in their respective state (I'd like to see you try this, lol) - because you were complaining that the NJ squad had no credentials (after you claimed there were only 1 or 2 medalists on the NJ squad). And I told you where I saw the 6 coming from - 3 out of 4 in the upper weights and 3 somewhere in the first 5 weights. Hard to say exactly which ones because there are a lot of very close matches out of those 9. Are we onto the Manchio and Aragona bandwagon now instead of Heilman? Good strategy - Manchio with little or no out of state competition and Aragona, where is he actually from again??? All the PA kids are actually PA kids, including the prep kids - that is why they represented PA in these duals and you don't see me counting kids like Mueller and Manville. You have at least 3 wrestlers on your list that aren't. Again - the score was 63-3.
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