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Everything posted by TripNSweep

  1. The problem isn't that there is a wage gap, the problem is that it is so extreme now. There is less money and less purchasing power available now to the middle class because inflation has risen but the average wage has been stagnant for decades. Helping correct that imbalance makes it easier for a family to grow and their kids to be happy and healthy. Instead now both parents might have to work 2 jobs and even get help from their kids working part time just to afford the basics. There is also less money for things like after school programs to keep kids out of trouble and give them a safe refuge. In a school district nearby me, there are a lot of kids who can't afford to play sports in high school because they have to work part or full time to help support their family or they just can't afford the athletic fees, or they can't afford health insurance. Those kinds of things shouldn't be impediments to participating in high school sports. Now it's become the haves vs the have nots. The haves have fancy new equipment playing 7 on 7 for football and the have nots just don't get those same opportunities. Correcting the imbalance in the wage gap would help solve some of that. Not all of it and it won't happen overnight, but it would do good.
  2. ASU should qualify everybody except 41 or 49 and 84.
  3. You can believe anything you want. Just because you believe enough to file a lawsuit doesn't make it any more real, since it's your opinion you were wronged. Now if there was some kind of result of your lawsuit, like a settlement was paid out, or the judge ruled in your favor, etc. that's something. There was a guy who filed a multi billion dollar lawsuit against Barack Obama years ago alleging he had conspired with Michael Vick to steal his dogs and sell them to fund weapons purchases on behalf of Iran. Does thast mean his claim is just as valid?
  4. You can sue anybody for any reason. It's not a question of filing a lawsuit, it's more what happened with that lawsuit. Did it go anywhere? Mezger filed a sexual harrassment lawsuit against him and settled it out of court, so obviously that was more successful.
  5. He asked people to refer to him as the Dalai Lama. Now I suppose it's possible he was just saying that to be funny, but from all accounts it seemed like he was pretty serious. He was also believed that people were out to get him and hiding in the trees on his estate and within the walls too. Even if he wasn't completely crazy and had periods of lucidity, his mental health was obviously in decline, and not helped by his drug and alcohol use.
  6. I'm attaching importance to the fact the guy was obviously mentally ill and abusing drugs and alcohol. Yet USA Wrestling ignored his bizarre and erratic behavior because he gave them lots of money, and did nothing despite him acting crazy for years, until he murdered Dave Schultz.
  7. That's exactly the point. He was clearly losing his grip on reality and doing increasingly weird and dangerous things because of it. He thought people out to get him were hiding in the walls of his house and in the trees on his estate and I think he even had a bunch of trees cut down for that reason. If he's proclaiming that he's the Dalai Lama and actually making people refer to him like that, you can really only chalk up his behavior to being a guy with a severe mental illness who made things worse by using tons of drugs and alcohol. People were planning on leaving after the Olympics or the trials that year anyway, mostly due to his weird and erratic behavior and because they were worried he might cross the line and hurt somebody.
  8. I did actually. Wrestling is an individual sport, and sometimes you need to let people do certain things. Gable was a master of doing things like that because the 10 guys in the lineup all don't operate the same way. Being a strict disciplinarian like that yeah you'll get some guys, but not everybody responds to that kind of thing. I can attest to a few things I'd overheard where parents discussed PSU and one said absolutely not and had talked his son into not even entertaining the idea. Also from asking Bubba about it once, you get a real idea of how things went down.
  9. Guys who were there at the time said it was him behaving weird and crazy and had nothing to do with racism. Angle said this explicitly, but acknowledged that guys who were on the outside looking in, like Monday, would think it was racially motivated and he wouldn't blame them since they weren't around to see his bizarre behavior every day. It's easy to call it racism, but the guy was clearly losing his marbles and spouting all kinds of weird things and nearly killing people with his antics, like the guy from FILA. If you think it was racially motivated, then you also should take him at face value on his other claims, like being the Dalai Lama.
  10. Yes. Not saying that every black wrestler is going to dislike Cael, some may but go there because they know he's one of the best in college now, so they want to get that. I've personally heard some recruits/parents say that even though the wrestling there is top notch, they wouldn't go there for other reasons, and they aren't subtle about it. Cael will get his guys who want to be there and do well. Guys who go there and don't fit in or don't do things his way will leave, it's that simple.
  11. He also said he was the Dalai Lama too, so it's pretty tough to take a lot of things he was saying or doing seriously. Yes he said that and yes he had strange quirks that manifested with him doing a variety of bizarre things. Do you think he was the Dalai Lama? Do you think it's normal for a 50+ year old man to build a giant birds nest and squawk around in it naked insisting people call him the Golden Eagle? I would 100% agree if he went to the black wrestlers there and said he didn't like them because they were black and had to leave and did nothing else. But he didn't say that. He got rid of everything black around him, cars, houses, etc. They were just a part of his mental illness/drug abuse manifesting itself in some bizarre ways. The problem people had with USA Wrestling was this kind of thing kept happening and USAW ignored it, and sadly because they ignored him doing crazy things, Dave got murdered.
  12. Discrimination based on race was outlawed with the civil rights act passing in the 60's, but that attitude towards blacks still exists in the south and other places. The doctrine may no longer be part of things the church officially condones or says anymore, but that doesn't mean the same attitude towards certain minorities has just disappeared. I know plenty of Mormons, and like any other sect or group there's good ones and bad ones, but many of the old guard still believe in that doctrine and still abide by it unofficially. I'm not going to name names or how I know, but I will say that Cael isn't somebody who a lot of black wrestlers wouldn't feel too comfortable with. Look at the Bubba Jenkins thing and that sort of tells you where he is on that sort of thing, but that's the tip of the iceburg.
  13. But it wasn't really a racial thing. He got rid of everything black, cars, had things painted, destroyed or thrown away that were black too. He was a weird obsessive guy who did stuff like that, he got an idea about something he wanted to do and he did it with an obsession until it was finished. Like getting rid of everything black in his life. People try to make it into a racial thing and it really isn;t, the guy had flipped his lid and was obviously nuts. I think Monday was pissed because USA Wrestling ignored it, but they ignored him doing tons of other crazy stuff too, so it wasn't as if USA Wrestling was really looking out for their own people's safety.
  14. Even if the guy who did it got rid of everything else black around him and told people to call him the Dalai Lama? I would 100% agree if he just did that then yeah that's racist. But the guy was literally cracking apart mentally and doing all kinds of crazy things, which culminated in him murdering Dave Schultz for no reason. Also consider he had never even said or done anything towards the black wrestlers he had that anyone ever saw that was racist in any way. If this was a pattern or behavior, yeah racist, I would agree. But the guy was losing his mind, doing drugs and drinking heavily. He thought people were out to get him, and had threatened Dan Chaid with a machine gun by this point. It's just one of the many warning signs USA Wrestling ignored about his deteriorating mental health, instability and danger he posed to people.
  15. Not really. It's pretty simple, if you have a serious mental illness, then who knows what can happen. Make it worse by ingesting a ton of drugs and alcohol, then it's really going to make somebody fly off the rails. It wasn't as if DuPont showed up one day and said he hated black people and they needed to leave. He said he considered the color black to be evil and full of death and ordered everything black on the farm be taken away or painted over and told the black wrestlers to leave, saying the only racist thing about it which was some gibberish about how the farm was a base for the KKK or whatever. Considering the guy asked people to call him the Dalai Lama and then murdered Dave Schultz, who was his best friend, randomly in his driveway, it's pretty clear that the things he was doing weren't racially motivated and were just symptoms of his mental illness, which caused him to do and say crazy things. Like trying to drown that guy from FILA, blowing up buildings on his property with dynamite, or rolling over stuff with a tank he had bought. The guy was crazy plain and simple.
  16. You are aware that the Mormon church and BYU nearly got yeeted by the NCAA because they pretty much thought black people were cursed and evil right? Schools were beginning to boycott playing them, and there were protests against them that had some bad consequences like the Wyoming Black 13. Even though this was the late 70's, that kind of thinking in the church didn't just disappear. Not all Mormons are racist, but having something like that as part of their official doctrine for so long isn't something that goes away very easily. It's not official anymore, but unofficially there is still a lot of racism within the church. Call it casual, institutionalized, whatever, but it's there. It's the same with a lot of coaches and places in the midwest, they don't particularly care for minorities unless they can do something for them, like win at wrestling or whatever. I've heard it and seen it up close both out in the open and privately how some coaches and prominent wrestlers feel about certain minorities.
  17. He was a mentally ill drug addict who was cracking apart due to psychosis or whatever was wrong with him and months later murdered his best friend Dave Schultz for no reason. Kicking black athletes off his team by claiming he wanted everything black to be gone from his farm, and actually doing it, cars, etc. is an indication he was having trouble keeping it together. From the outside, it looked like he was just being a racist rich white guy, but he also had people refer to him as the Dalai Lama and sat naked in a giant birds nest in his living room making people refer to him as the Golden Eagle, is a pretty good indication that he was losing his marbles. Instead of asking Kenny Monday who wasn't a part of Foxcatcher, somebody should ask Kevin Jackson who was the one told to leave. I'd put more into what Jackson had to say on it, since DuPont was the one who told him he had to go and why.
  18. The point I was making is if a black kid with marginal grades couldn't play football, there would be much less opportunity for him than somebody who had similar grades and was white. I went to high school with guys who went D1 right out of high school and they were mostly pretty poor students. One used to cheat off me in a class, I didn't care, and he ended up with a better grade than me. College coaches will bend or break the rules to land somebody who they think will win for them. They don't do it out of the goodness of their heart or because they like helping people. Every college coach is mercenary by nature, same for any sport that requires you to win to keep your job. If Echemendia had never touched a wrestling mat, I guarantee that Ryan wouldn't give a **** whether he went to college or not. Ryan sees what Echemendia can do for him and his program. Also I've heard lots of coaches say racist things. It's part of the culture. One former D1 wrestler who is a coach here now used the term "n word quick" to describe RBY and what he does. He repeated it again when explaining to a wrestler what he needed to develop. Another coach who isn't coaching anymore was explaining about a transfer student who was Muslim and without prompting said that he came from a respectable family that was one of the good kinds of them (Muslim) and not a terrorist. You can't say racism doesn't exist in wrestling because it does. It's part of the culture of wrestling, you get coaches who are from smaller towns in the midwest and they just have that attitude. I had high school friends and teammates who were heckled with some pretty heinous stuff in high school (we had more than a few Hispanic wrestlers) and it pretty much went unchecked. Probably the only time I can think of somebody doing anything was a wrestler I knew who got disqualified from the state duals (when we had them) for calling his opponent the n word during a match. Looking at the Bubba Jenkins/Penn State thing, you don't really have to look to deep to see racism. And trust me, with Sanderson's religion, that kind of stuff is ingrained into that culture. The official doctrine about it may have been rescinded years ago, but unofficially it's still a thing. I even had a prominent wrestler once tell me he didn't think black people were developed enough culturally to hold important positions and shouldn't be allowed to teach. Maybe you've never actually heard it, but it's shocking to hear guys who are NCAA champions, world team members, All Americans, or respected coaches saying this kind of stuff. Racism in wrestling definitely exists and to pretend it doesn't then you're just ignoring reality.
  19. DuPont actually said something to the effect of his farm being the new headquarters of the KKK or something else along those lines to Kevin Jackson when he explained why he wanted him gone. It made no sense at all since he'd never said anything like that before, but he was completely paranoid and using a lot of drugs and alcohol. I really don't think he was racist, probably part of it was because he had little social interaction with anybody and seemed pretty obsessed/focused with whatever he happened to be doing at the time, like bird collecting or whatever his other hobbies were. As far as I know or have heard he never once said anything negative about black people, though I could be wrong, but I don't think he was racist, just losing his grip on reality.
  20. Antitroll, Those colleges also spend a lot more money on poor black kids who can play football or basketball and do so much more. If college wrestling were taken as seriously as college football, Echemendia would be living in a mansion and having somebody do his coursework for him, like Reggie Bush or any star SEC player. I can pretty much guarantee if those kids couldn't play ball, nobody would be trying to help them get into college or doing extraordinary favors. Your own statement proves exactly the kind of racism that exists. They don't care about black youth unless they can do something for them, win games, win at wrestling, etc. If Echemendia was just some other refugee from Cuba, nobody would even know who he was. If Burroughs wasn't a good wrestler then I doubt he goes to Nebraska with any kind of scholarship or aid. You're proving exactly what kind of systemic racism is out there. So thank you for proving my point.
  21. Angle said that it wasn't a racist thing, it was because DuPont was cracking and losing his mind. He said he understood why somebody like Kenny Monday who wasn't a part of Foxcatcher would think that and be vocal about it, but from the outside looking in it is pretty easy to call it racism. He even added that if it had been him in Monday's position he probably would have thought the same thing. The guy was just losing his mind doing crazy things. Right around the same time I think was when he drove his car into a pond with some FILA higher up in the passenger seat. I'm not saying it was OK for him to do it, but he had no history of saying or doing racist things and then all of a sudden just does that. Angle said that he treated everybody the same, black, white, whatever, and that was why it was so surprising he did that because he had treated his wrestlers so well. This was kind of the impetus that led a lot of people into looking at leaving and finding another situation because it was clear DuPont was losing his mind. I think that this was sometime after he pointed a machine gun at Dan Chaid and told him to leave right now too.
  22. I don't think DuPont was really racist. He was just a nutcase who did lots of drugs and was paranoid as hell. Drugs can mess with even the most level headed person, so him getting rid of everything black on his farm, even athletes isn't really a racist thing, it's him being mentally ill and weird. Supposedly he said something how he considered it KKK headquarters or something to Kevin Jackson, or somebody else, I don't remember. But I don't think he was racist, maybe his mental illness manifested itself in that way for some reason, but up until then he hadn't shown any indication of racist behavior, tendencies or actions. If he had then I'll freely admit I was wrong. From my understanding he just came in one day and told them they were gone and he considered black to be evil and the color of death and that was it. I know Kurt Angle said that a lot of people felt it was a racial thing, he specifically mentioned Kenny Monday being very vocal about it, but that he didn't think DuPont was racist, that he was just losing his mind and doing drugs that caused him to act like that.
  23. I know of a coach here who used to call it "N word strength". Haven't seen him in years so no idea if it got sidelined finally or even if he's still coaching. Another coach I know who used to post here said he would encourage black wrestlers to join the military and do WCAP since they were better suited for Greco and wouldn't fare well in college.
  24. Yeah but a lot of people who live here aren't from here. Most of the successful high school coaches came from other places like Oklahoma, Illinois, Iowa, Pennsylvania, etc. We are very transient state with a hisoritcally low population that until the last 15 or so years wasn't very big. Because of that there's not too many born and raised people here, though that's been changing in the last few years. But it's not really endemic to this state either, I've heard coaches and even guys considered to be legends in wrestling say some pretty awful stuff about black people or other minorities. Even people on this board I've actually met or know in real life have said some pretty bad stuff, either thinking I had a difference opinion in private or they just didn't give a **** what I thought. There's a lot of racism and prejudice in wrestling, but it's mostly kept below the surface. If it was more open and rampant, you'd see a lot of changes at the top for USAW.
  25. I've encountered some of the worst racism in wrestling honestly. Most of the leadership roles or "old guard" kind of coaches either are overtly racist or use sort of a coded language. I know that there are a few coaches, and when I say old guard I mean guys who wrestled in the 60's and 70's, who don't see race at all and treat everybody the same basically. But they are far and few between. It isn't just the old wave though, one high school coach I was an assistant to used a racial slur to refer to our only black wrestler in private and I was stunned to hear it. But some of the worst language I've ever heard on race has come from other coaches who privately will say some pretty abhorrent things. A lot of the people I've heard saying that stuff, it's because they think since I'm in the coaching world I have similar beliefs, but then they'll go out and say or do things completely opposite when people are watching. Maybe it's more acceptable or something, I don't know. But it's pretty shocking to hear that kind of thing.
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