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  1. Trenge was also a massive head case who couldn't handle tough matches. Plus he could have wrestled in a wheel chair and it wouldn't have had any relevance to the conversation. He's not "top tier" competition, and I can say that because it's just a term you made up.

     

    Eggum and Cormier fall under the james green category. I'm really optimistic about him this fall...regardless he was never a gritty folkstyle wrestler (I won't fault eggum for lack of grittiness but regardless free is not folk).

     

    Anyway, your own analysis puts his competition at middling when you consider the ultra high standards of competition faced by 4x NCAA champions, so I rest my case on your conclusions.  

    I think we're splitting hairs when talking about which 4x champ faced better competition.  Its the NCAA tournament.  You win it 4 times you went through some sturdy competition.  Cael>Dake>Stieber>Smith


  2. I was a huge fan and know it better than you do I bet, but if you take the finals victories of the four time NCAA champs, he's pretty mediocre. 2-2-3 is an amazing achievement, but I don't really think his ceiling as a competitor was that high, but he reached it really quickly. 

     

    Sorry for the extremely nuanced opinion, but I don't think Cael faced an exceptionally tough field. 

    Well in case you forgot..he was ranked 1st or 2nd in the country his freshman year before getting hurt.  Seeded 2, 1, 1 at nationals.  Never won it but came about as close as you can vs Hahn and wrestled with goggles the entire time.  Goggles.  Which I've never tried but I'd imagine is pretty hindering.  Multiple wins over 3x champ Rosholt while wearing said goggles.  I'd say he qualifies as top tier competition.  

     

    Eggum was a silver medalist and Cormier an Olympian.  V Jones was probably his "easiest" finals opponent as a two time finalist.  I'd say his competition was a step below Dake, on par with Stieber and better than P Smith's.


  3. Cael was Cael by midway through his RS freshman year.  Obviously undefeated going into NCAA's you knew he was going to be great but 3 falls in NCAA's that year gave you the feeling he could be something special.  Nobody gave him a serious match that year.  Really the only guy that even seemed worthy of sharing a mat with him out of all four of his ncaa tournaments was Cormier his jr year, which Cael won by 4 I think.


  4. Part me thinks though, that if Marable doe represent out best shot to medal at World's, we should want him there.......Having said that, I am rooting for Green next weekend.

    See it very similar to the Ruth/Herbert issue.  Herbert has Ruth's number but I think if anyone can medal at Worlds it would be Ruth. Nothing against Jake and with a great draw and tournament I can see him Bronze.  Green is the type of athlete and style (think JB) that could really surprise some at Worlds.  Marable has had his chances, and can't beat the world's best with his stingy style that the Russians and Europeans have mastered.  He does have Green's number though.  


  5. That's just being a homer thinking that those 3 are the top 5.  After DT lost to Tsargush, he was handled pretty easily by a Russian that had moved up from 70 Kilo.  I think Dake is in the top 6-8, but DT

     

    We put to much emphasis on exhibition wins, the other countries get to come to the US and have a good time, they are not worried about peaking for an exhibition, they peak when it matters.  Just look at Metcalf's results.  I also don't think other teams peak for the world dual tournament.

    Well, maybe a little homer-ish but I look at it this way:  Howe finished runner-up at Yarigin and should have won by all accounts.  That supposedly is the toughest tournament in the world.  Howe is clearly the 4th ranked guy behind JB, Dake and Taylor.  Also, Dake has a win over Tsargush and DT tech fall'd that high level Cuban.  And that wasn't just any 70kg guy that bumped up.  So not too far off that they are top 5.  


  6. Mental rest?  He just took a year off.  I think he needs to start thinking about finding a different coach.  He accomplished a lot under Cale but I think he has maxed out.  Myabe Brands or Zeke or someone can tap in parts of his potential that Cael can't get to.  Not a knock on Cael, just a thought that someone else may be a help to him.

    There's a possibility that DT's ability is maxed out not necessarily due to coaching.  He tf'd a multiple world level medalist at BTS.  He's beaten Howe 3x, it's not like he's struggling.  JB, Dake and DT may be 3 of the top 5 wrestlers in the world at their weight.  Just happen to all be in the US.  Also, Howe is probably top 10 in the world.  Just may be plain bad luck.  Its happened before.  Schultz, Monday, Koll all in the same weight.  Plus doesn't look like the coaching change has helped Ruth as of yet.  If anything its hurt him in short term.  Stick with what got you there.  DT isn't out of it yet.


  7. ZR's matches with JO were not competitive (yet).

     

    As for the Stieber "incentive", at this point I think that is more in the fans' heads than JO's head.  JO has wrestled him 4x now.  He beat LS handily 2x; beat him in a close bout 1x and then the NCAA finals debacle.  JO has taken the high road on more than one occasion about the whole NCAA finals controversy -- crediting LS as the champ and asking his own supporters to move on from the issue.  If JO is personally motivated by anyone right now it is BM, not LS.  In fact, I suspect JK and AP provide more personal motivation as he is a collective 1-0 against the two of them in his career.  If he has something to prove against the field, it is against these guys.

     

    Even Russell is more of a nemesis to JO than LS.  While JO has finished higher than KR in the last 3 tourney's they entered, including 2 head-to-head wins, he does have two losses to him as well.  I think his is 2-2 against him lifetime, but apologize if I missed any earlier bouts.

     

    But I still think BM is his personal motivation, not anyone in the rest of the field.

    We (US fans) still put most weight on NCAA titles and Stieber has 4 of them.  Also, their last 2 matches before trials came down to last second TD's and they split wins.  They're pretty close.  Oliver looked a little more motivated for that match than he did against JK or BM.  Just one man's opinion.


  8. Totally agree. JO has eclipsed Logie Bear and has his sights set higher. Olympic team or bust. Metcalf is in his way and that is where he is focused.

     

    Logie Bear has not lived up to the potential he showed when he beat Opan Sat. 

    He has another year to get freestyle ready and, more importantly, put on some size.  65kg will be insane at the trials next year.  Stieber, Pico, Russell and Kennedy can all push Oliver to the edge.


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    1. C'mon. JO was playing it safe. watch the details. Kennedy, who i think is crazy good, can't go with JO at 65.

     

    2. stop it.

     

    3.true. but not too concerned about it being the end. and not concerned about holding off the field. no one touches JO before Brent. I couldn't have said that before madison. i can say that now. no other 65 was remotely on his level.

     

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    1. C'mon. JO was playing it safe. watch the details. Kennedy, who i think is crazy good, can't go with JO at 65.

     

    2. stop it.

     

    3.true. but not too concerned about it being the end. and not concerned about holding off the field. no one touches JO before Brent. I couldn't have said that before madison. i can say that now. no other 65 was remotely on his level.

    You don't think Pico or Kennedy can "go" with JO?  Russell has at least one win over JO.  I think Pico will be the #2 next year and will battle with all of these guys including Metcalf.  Retherford was able to "go" with JO and we've seen what Pico has done to Retherford.  JO is very very good and I will say he looked great against Stieber (maybe some added incentive there).  But I think these trials may have taken some wind out of his sails and DT's as well.  We'll see how they bounce back.  Will be fun to watch.


  10. I can't remember, who did he torch that he wasn't expected to torch?

    Your question kind of says a lot, doesn't it?  I don't think you can deny what he is capable of.  Taking out Howe is no small feat.  And he's done it three times now.  He seems to have a mental block against Dake and Burroughs is..Buroughs.  Not saying Dake isn't better but Taylor looks better against everyone not named Dake.  Including Burroughs and Howe.


  11. Ruth can get sloppy and still get away with winning against 99% of the guys he wrestles.  Currently Herbert seems to be in that 1% that has Ruth's number.  Not easy to do but that tells you how good Herbert is.  I think Ruth has more talent but leaving Nittany Lion hasn't seemed to have improved his wrestling yet.  I still say Ruth is our best guy when he's on (look what he did to Salas).  Real question is, could Cael still be the guy if he wanted to?

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