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Posts posted by Sheerstress

  1. 59 minutes ago, TripNSweep said:

    Anthony Robles was a lot stronger than he looked, especially for his weight.  You might think he's strong for 125lbers but he's just a strong human being period.  


    Askren didn't look it, but he has that kind of strength that wears on you.  It's like you're trying to walk through mud basically, it just tires you out quickly because of how he's always pulling on stuff and slowing you down.  You have to work harder wrestling him because of how he would latch on and just wear on you constantly.  


    For Robles, it seemed that was the result of not having one leg.  He had the upper body of a 149 pounder.

  2. 15 minutes ago, Idaho said:

    Burroughs, Snyder, Gross, Martin to name just a few. Carl Perry heads up the national FCA wrestling. Their camps are well attended and get some pretty big name Christian wrestlers involved as clinicians. Great program. 


    Interesting.  I think I've seen articles where Jordan Burroughs has mentioned his religious beliefs, and recall that Carl Perry had some issues with a church he was attending back when he was at Illinois, although I didn't know about the others.   

    I will say that I've always thought that wrestling was a little more conservative in its outlook than other sports, although we've got plenty of people in wrestling on both sides of the spectrum.  

  3. Specifically which people in wrestling these days are outwardly religious?  Just asking.

    When I was wrestling, way back in the late 70s and early 80s, the only high profile wresters who were outwardly religious were the Peterson brothers.  For me personally, the only other guy who was outwardly religious was our high school team's assistant coach, and while we would get into conversations with him a few times during the season, it wasn't like he was preaching something to us all the time.

  4. One of the few people he had an ongoing feud with was Gable.  Always a thorn in his side:


    "...After Seay coached a U.S. team to a tie on points with the favored Soviets in the 1986 World Cup competition, he remembers Kathy Gable telling him, "You did a good job here, but you'll never beat Iowa and Dan." Seay wrote those words down. "I stuck it on the wall above the toilet," said Seay last Saturday. "My response to her was 'Never's a long time.' I guess 'never' is today."



    "...Though Arizona State entered this year's championships as the favorite, for Seay only one opponent truly mattered. "We have outrecruited Iowa for the last three or four years," Seay boasted before the hostilities commenced last week at Maryland's Cole Field House. "That's because there no longer is a single reason to go to Iowa instead of Oklahoma State. Wrestlers look at us and say, 'Somebody there must be doing something right.' "

    Until last year, Gable had the upper hand in this rivalry, which began in 1972. Back then, as an Iowa State 149½-pounder, he defeated Seay in the finals of the Olympic trials. As a coach, Seay has continued to resent playing second fiddle to Gable, in the recruiting wars and in the politics of the sport. Says Gable, who coached Iowa to nine consecutive NCAA titles, beginning in 1978, "He lives his life, I live mine."


    He publicly criticized the Brands brothers because of their brawling style of wrestling, and Gable simply responded that he wouldn't tell his athletes to be less aggressive, and that other coaches were simply jealous of their success.

    Despite all this, I recall seeing Seay at the Midlands in the late 90s after he was out of coaching.  He was trying to enjoy watching the competition, but kept running into countless wrestlers and coaches that came up to say hello.  

    Among them were both Brands brothers, and seeing them together was like seeing long lost friends!  I'm sure he worked with them on many world level teams, and probably improved their relationship over time.  He truly had a unique approach to coaching.  

  5. I thought he summed it up nicely with the phrase:  "With Joe as a freestyle coach, it was never about himself. It was all about helping athletes."

    Seay always struck me as a guy who made things happen at all levels because he was so good at connecting with athletes and convincing them that they could win under him, regardless of the circumstances.


    "Seay, 42, a former national 149.5-pound champ from Wellington, Kans., started the school's wrestling program in 1972 with such limited funds that his team had to train in a science lab and his wife had to do all the wrestlers' laundry. Even now the school lacks a weight room and has a pitifully tiny wrestling room and so few wrestling scholarships that Seay, an exceptional coach, has to recruit athletes impoverished enough to qualify for general scholarships, which is what Gonzales had. "The school thinks they could throw us out onto the grass and we'd still win," says 158-pound senior Perry Shea, who's one of the four Division II champions on this year's team. "They're probably right."   Cal State Bakersfield has won six of the last seven Division II team titles and finished in the top 10 of Division I for five years in a row." 


    In his book Foxcatcher, Mark Schultz notes that after things didn't work out for him and Dave at Oklahoma State and UCLA, they considered wrestling for Seay at CSB:

    "...on the way [to Oklahoma], we stopped at California State Bakersfield, where a friend of ours, Joe Seay, was the coach.  Joe tried to talk us into ending our trip and wrestling for him.  Joe was building one of the best teams in the country and his offer was enticing, but the wrestling room was the smallest I had seen, with room for only one mat.  I could not imagine how an entire team trained in there."

    It was unfortunate how things ended for him at Oklahoma State, for a man who loved the sport as much as anyone out there.  I think that the rivalry between OSU and Iowa back in the 80s and 90s was as good as it was largely because of his efforts.

  6. Pretty impressive resume for his education and time in corporate America. 

    It would probably take a lot to add a brand new wrestling program at a small, expensive Texas university with world class academics, but who knows, maybe he can do it.

  7. 8 hours ago, Fletcher said:

    Just referenced MMA with regard to functionality; nobody wants to see shirtless heavyweights.  Best solution is shorts and compression top; except for heavyweights who will wear either medical scrubs or graduation gowns.

    I recall that Cornell used compression tops back in the 2003-04 season.  I don't think I've seen much of them since them.

  8. 1 hour ago, TripNSweep said:

    Not really a transfer but Brian Picklo went from not wrestling at all to an AA at Michigan State.  

    More specifically, he walked on to Michigan State after never qualifying for the state meet in high school, almost got cut from the team that first year, but hung in there and went on to place twice in Div. I.

  9. 8 hours ago, Peso said:

    I believe JRob left after they missed 10.  I hope that some day we see that Cunningham is equal to JRob, but man, that's going to be hard to do.  Either way, Cael is a great Coach.  It's surprising how often great wrestlers are great coaches.  In many other sports you virtually never hear of a former great player becoming a great coach.  He's the whole package.  Hall of fame career as an athlete and eventually as a Coach.  Great recruiting plus great development especially at the highest levels, equals greatness.  Really, the steady greatness has already put him in a group of 3 or 4 coaches all time.  I will have no trouble calling him the greatest coach I have ever seen if he passes Dan the man.  I came into the sport the year before Dan Gable lost to Larry Owings but that is the tournament where I really became a fan.  I was an Oklahoma kid, but I was heart broken when Dan Gable lost.  He was beyond a legend among the youth of this country.  My point is, I've seen virtually every champion and coach performance in the last 49 years.  We are truly getting to see something special here.  Keep it up Cael.  

    JRob actually left after the '83-'84 season, a few years before they missed 10, which was '86-'87.