Jump to content

Sheerstress

Members
  • Content Count

    411
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    1

Reputation Activity

  1. Haha
    Sheerstress reacted to IronChef in Michigan Olympic Redshirts 4 Wrestlers   
    Micic is 23 now and will turn 25 shortly after the 2021 NCAA tournament. Should be well on his way to a 2nd or 3rd Master's degree by then.
  2. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from TexRef in ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident   
    From last season's rules:
     
    Rule 4-2-1:  During competition, all wrestlers shall be clean shaven with sideburns trimmed no lower than earlobe level and hair trimmed and well groomed.  The hair, in its natural state, shall not extend below the top of an ordinary shirt collar in the back; and on the sides, the hair shall not extend below earlobe level; in the front, the hair shall not extend below the eyebrows.    
    [emphasis mine]
    Source:  2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules Book
     
    4.2.1 Situation E:  Wrestler A appears at weigh-ins with hair in tight cornrows.  After making the prescribed weight, the wrestler indicates no desire to undo the hair, as it takes time and is expensive to have performed.   RULING:  This is permissible if the hair is covered by a legal hair cover that is attached to the ear guards.  COMMENT: A legal hair cover is intended to allow a wrestler to compete with hair longer than permitted by rule.  A referee cannot assume the hairstyle meets the prescribed rule, therefore should a wrestler choose not to meet the rule, a legal hair cover attached to the ear guards shall be required and approved at weigh-ins.
     [emphasis mine]
    Source:  2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Case Book
     
     
     
    I hate to beat a dead horse, but It seems that the whole thing boils down to what the term "natural state" is supposed to mean.  
    Up till now, I have assumed that it meant the hair could not be manipulated in a manner such as braiding or pinning or banding, and then gravity would determine whether the hair went below the collar, earlobe, or eyebrows.
    Per 4.2.1 Situation E, in the NFHS Wrestling Case Book, this seems to be the case, indicating that the hair had to be inspected WITHOUT it being manipulated, and that the cornrows described in Situation E had to be undone in order for proper inspection of hair length.  
    Hence, according to the interpretation above, Andrew Johnson's hair was NOT in its natural state because it was braided/dredlocked, and therefore had to have a legal hair covering (which he did not have).  And hence, Alan Mahoney's application of the rule was indeed correct.  
    Yet the New Jersey DCR states that "In particular, they seek to eliminate any interpretation of Rule 4.2.1 that allowed wrestling officials to determine that traditionally black hairstyles were 'unnatural' or to subject wrestlers with traditionally black hairstyles to differential treatment as to when a haircover was required."
    But the above rule and its case book application, which were the rule at the time of last December's incident, make NO mention of the race of the wrestler, just that the hair was not in its natural, unmanipulated state!
    Does anyone here have any better insight as to what "natural state" refers to beyond what is stated in the rules?  It seems they just threw the official under the bus for doing his job.  
     
  3. Thanks
    Sheerstress got a reaction from jon in ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident   
    From last season's rules:
     
    Rule 4-2-1:  During competition, all wrestlers shall be clean shaven with sideburns trimmed no lower than earlobe level and hair trimmed and well groomed.  The hair, in its natural state, shall not extend below the top of an ordinary shirt collar in the back; and on the sides, the hair shall not extend below earlobe level; in the front, the hair shall not extend below the eyebrows.    
    [emphasis mine]
    Source:  2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Rules Book
     
    4.2.1 Situation E:  Wrestler A appears at weigh-ins with hair in tight cornrows.  After making the prescribed weight, the wrestler indicates no desire to undo the hair, as it takes time and is expensive to have performed.   RULING:  This is permissible if the hair is covered by a legal hair cover that is attached to the ear guards.  COMMENT: A legal hair cover is intended to allow a wrestler to compete with hair longer than permitted by rule.  A referee cannot assume the hairstyle meets the prescribed rule, therefore should a wrestler choose not to meet the rule, a legal hair cover attached to the ear guards shall be required and approved at weigh-ins.
     [emphasis mine]
    Source:  2018-19 NFHS Wrestling Case Book
     
     
     
    I hate to beat a dead horse, but It seems that the whole thing boils down to what the term "natural state" is supposed to mean.  
    Up till now, I have assumed that it meant the hair could not be manipulated in a manner such as braiding or pinning or banding, and then gravity would determine whether the hair went below the collar, earlobe, or eyebrows.
    Per 4.2.1 Situation E, in the NFHS Wrestling Case Book, this seems to be the case, indicating that the hair had to be inspected WITHOUT it being manipulated, and that the cornrows described in Situation E had to be undone in order for proper inspection of hair length.  
    Hence, according to the interpretation above, Andrew Johnson's hair was NOT in its natural state because it was braided/dredlocked, and therefore had to have a legal hair covering (which he did not have).  And hence, Alan Mahoney's application of the rule was indeed correct.  
    Yet the New Jersey DCR states that "In particular, they seek to eliminate any interpretation of Rule 4.2.1 that allowed wrestling officials to determine that traditionally black hairstyles were 'unnatural' or to subject wrestlers with traditionally black hairstyles to differential treatment as to when a haircover was required."
    But the above rule and its case book application, which were the rule at the time of last December's incident, make NO mention of the race of the wrestler, just that the hair was not in its natural, unmanipulated state!
    Does anyone here have any better insight as to what "natural state" refers to beyond what is stated in the rules?  It seems they just threw the official under the bus for doing his job.  
     
  4. Thanks
    Sheerstress reacted to Jaroslav Hasek in Jason Tsirtsis- Flo Interview   
    They walk around Lady Bird Lake in Austin, looks like mostly by Zilker Park. 
  5. Thanks
    Sheerstress got a reaction from jon in Koll Entering something like 26th year....   
    https://www.si.com/vault/1992/06/15/126661/wrestling-never-too-old-to-go-for-gold-at-37-chris-campbell-has-earned-a-long-delayed-trip-to-the-olympics
    "...Last fall [1991] he was pressed into service as coach at his alma mater, Oklahoma State, after Cowboy coach Joe Seay left amid a recruiting scandal. "It's been the worst year I've ever had in wrestling," said Smith last Friday. "I will never, ever coach and wrestle at the same time again. I felt like I was cheating both the team and myself. My preparation suffered, and that hurt."
  6. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from headshuck in Koll Entering something like 26th year....   
    Bucky Maughan - 47 years at NDSU.
  7. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from BadgerMon in Dan gable   
    https://www.si.com/vault/1984/07/18/643812/the-ultimate-winner
    "....[Randy] Lewis was recently pondering what makes Gable so effective as a coach. "He knows how to make adjustments, when to work, when to ease off," Lewis said. "And he has the ability to keep things new. Workouts are different every day. You never know what's next. He'll tell you to start running laps, and you don't know if it will be one lap or 10. But when he sees you're really tired, I'll tell you what, that's when he pushes you some more."
  8. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from drag it in Dan gable   
    https://www.si.com/vault/1984/07/18/643812/the-ultimate-winner
    "....[Randy] Lewis was recently pondering what makes Gable so effective as a coach. "He knows how to make adjustments, when to work, when to ease off," Lewis said. "And he has the ability to keep things new. Workouts are different every day. You never know what's next. He'll tell you to start running laps, and you don't know if it will be one lap or 10. But when he sees you're really tired, I'll tell you what, that's when he pushes you some more."
  9. Haha
    Sheerstress reacted to CA_Wrestler in Dan gable   
    2 points for pushouts.
  10. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from CoachWrestling in Strongest but weakest looking wrestler?   
    I always thought Logan Stieber looked very ordinary next to most of his opponents, but would then proceed to dominate just about all of them.
  11. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from Mphillips in Strongest but weakest looking wrestler?   
    For Robles, it seemed that was the result of not having one leg.  He had the upper body of a 149 pounder.
  12. Like
    Sheerstress reacted to Red95 in Junior Worlds   
    Some finals highlights here:
     
  13. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from John Coctostan in Gary Abbott blog on Joe Seay   
    One of the few people he had an ongoing feud with was Gable.  Always a thorn in his side:
    https://www.si.com/vault/1989/03/27/119600/at-last-a-title-for-the-cowboys-oklahoma-state-ended-18-years-of-drought-and-the-proud-hawkeyes-placed-sixth

    "...After Seay coached a U.S. team to a tie on points with the favored Soviets in the 1986 World Cup competition, he remembers Kathy Gable telling him, "You did a good job here, but you'll never beat Iowa and Dan." Seay wrote those words down. "I stuck it on the wall above the toilet," said Seay last Saturday. "My response to her was 'Never's a long time.' I guess 'never' is today."
     
    https://www.si.com/vault/1990/04/02/106781311/cowboys-of-crunch
    "...Though Arizona State entered this year's championships as the favorite, for Seay only one opponent truly mattered. "We have outrecruited Iowa for the last three or four years," Seay boasted before the hostilities commenced last week at Maryland's Cole Field House. "That's because there no longer is a single reason to go to Iowa instead of Oklahoma State. Wrestlers look at us and say, 'Somebody there must be doing something right.' "
    Until last year, Gable had the upper hand in this rivalry, which began in 1972. Back then, as an Iowa State 149½-pounder, he defeated Seay in the finals of the Olympic trials. As a coach, Seay has continued to resent playing second fiddle to Gable, in the recruiting wars and in the politics of the sport. Says Gable, who coached Iowa to nine consecutive NCAA titles, beginning in 1978, "He lives his life, I live mine."
     
    He publicly criticized the Brands brothers because of their brawling style of wrestling, and Gable simply responded that he wouldn't tell his athletes to be less aggressive, and that other coaches were simply jealous of their success.
    Despite all this, I recall seeing Seay at the Midlands in the late 90s after he was out of coaching.  He was trying to enjoy watching the competition, but kept running into countless wrestlers and coaches that came up to say hello.  
    Among them were both Brands brothers, and seeing them together was like seeing long lost friends!  I'm sure he worked with them on many world level teams, and probably improved their relationship over time.  He truly had a unique approach to coaching.  
  14. Like
    Sheerstress reacted to Meatey in Rice University   
    Unfortunately we will never see Wrestling at Rice University.  I have talked to Tanner a number of times and he has even said that he would love to start a team there, but it is not going to happen.  Tanner is still involved in wrestling and he tries to stay involved as much as he can.   Last spring, he sponsored a Wrestling night at the Ball Park during a Rice baseball game and gave free tickets to Wrestlers that showed up with their club team.  It was not attended to well, but he is going to try and have a few other things to promote the sport.  
    Tanner is a very smart man (as you can tell by his academic success).  He is a great advocate for the sport and I do believe we will see Tanner moving on to a University where they do have wrestling at some point in his career.  As of now, I know he is enjoying his time at Rice and it has been good to have a former wrestler of his stature in the local community.  
  15. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from KTG119 in Gary Abbott blog on Joe Seay   
    I thought he summed it up nicely with the phrase:  "With Joe as a freestyle coach, it was never about himself. It was all about helping athletes."
    Seay always struck me as a guy who made things happen at all levels because he was so good at connecting with athletes and convincing them that they could win under him, regardless of the circumstances.
    https://www.si.com/vault/1982/05/03/624314/gonzo-man-on-the-go
    "Seay, 42, a former national 149.5-pound champ from Wellington, Kans., started the school's wrestling program in 1972 with such limited funds that his team had to train in a science lab and his wife had to do all the wrestlers' laundry. Even now the school lacks a weight room and has a pitifully tiny wrestling room and so few wrestling scholarships that Seay, an exceptional coach, has to recruit athletes impoverished enough to qualify for general scholarships, which is what Gonzales had. "The school thinks they could throw us out onto the grass and we'd still win," says 158-pound senior Perry Shea, who's one of the four Division II champions on this year's team. "They're probably right."   Cal State Bakersfield has won six of the last seven Division II team titles and finished in the top 10 of Division I for five years in a row." 
     
    In his book Foxcatcher, Mark Schultz notes that after things didn't work out for him and Dave at Oklahoma State and UCLA, they considered wrestling for Seay at CSB:

    "...on the way [to Oklahoma], we stopped at California State Bakersfield, where a friend of ours, Joe Seay, was the coach.  Joe tried to talk us into ending our trip and wrestling for him.  Joe was building one of the best teams in the country and his offer was enticing, but the wrestling room was the smallest I had seen, with room for only one mat.  I could not imagine how an entire team trained in there."
    It was unfortunate how things ended for him at Oklahoma State, for a man who loved the sport as much as anyone out there.  I think that the rivalry between OSU and Iowa back in the 80s and 90s was as good as it was largely because of his efforts.
  16. Like
    Sheerstress reacted to Bryan in NCAA approves shorts   
    Bring back the unlimited weight classification!  Let's get the real big boys on the mat again.
  17. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from TobusRex in Transfer Success Stories?   
    Just one:  he won it his first year, and then finished third the next year before transferring to ISU.
  18. Like
    Sheerstress reacted to Coach_J in Reflections of a world champion   
    The "right things" are so vastly different for each high level athlete.  Gable lived a monkish devotion to the game; Rick Sanders needed an all-night binge and some female company to hit his peak; Satiev was a technical master while Burroughs is dependent on split second timing and explosive capability.  And so on and so on.  As Voltaire might say, "Each must tend his garden."
  19. Like
    Sheerstress reacted to homerdindon in Denny   
    I probably haven't posted on here for 10+ years, so it's unfortunate to come back this way, but just wanted to let everyone know that longtime poster Denny passed away last week after a long battle with cancer.  I knew Denny since high school and he would often travel with my father and Mr. Larkin to many ASU events across the country.  He was a great guy and will be greatly missed. 
  20. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from russelscout in What coaches will need successors in the next 5 years?   
    Gable was 48 when he stepped down.  But his body was breaking down as a result so many years of putting it through physical hell long after his competitive career was over.  I think most coaches out there avoid that kind of activity as a result.
  21. Like
    Sheerstress reacted to mspart in Meanest on the mat / nicest off the mat   
    Dave Schultz!
    mspart
  22. Thanks
    Sheerstress got a reaction from southend in Kurt McHenry Wrestling in Pittsburg Classic   
    Actually, it appears that he is enrolled.  I don't know whether part time or full time, but he's there:

    https://mcommunity.umich.edu/#profile:mchenryk
  23. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from KTG119 in Pitt Vs okie state   
    Back in the day, Mike Sheets was a master of legs.  It sounds like he may have passed it on to his son. 
  24. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from Housebuye in ASU vs. Michigan   
    Massa got the first TD, made a bunch of attempts to turn Shields in the first period, but as soon as Shields reversed in the second, he wilted soon after that.
    In general, we usually see the old Logan for at least the first part of the match, but unlike his first season, he seems to lose momentum as certain bouts go on.
  25. Like
    Sheerstress got a reaction from treep2000 in Midlands   
    Looks like the right Parris showed up today.  
×
×
  • Create New...