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  1. "Desperate times call for desperate measures." Nothing else seems to work. I / and others long ago took the administrators to lunch, promised them lots of $, got groups to e-mail them and call them. We have tried all the usual strategies to get their attention. What more could be done? You have to understand -- they just don't care. I don't know if you remember the publicity the "aints" got when they did covered their heads with sacks. Virtually everybody in the country knows about it. That should tell you something about its affectiveness. Someone on the '67 team brought it up to do at the Big Tens. As far as embarrassing the wrestlers -- they are already embarrassed. But IMO -- everyone would know -- or should know -- that the sacks are on as embarrassment of the coach. I just don't know if I'd be embarrassed. I can see why one would need a six-pack to pull it off. That's not exactly my style (any more) -- more what young impulsive wrestling fans might do. I would love to see some Spartan fans do it frankly. I think if about 10-15 students wore sacks, it would make the papers -- and when they were interviewed would embarrass Minkel enough to cause him not want to coach any more meets. DA
  2. Let me try to explain briefly -- it's a little bit more complicated than I at first thought it was. 1. The Michigan State administration (President / AD) does not care at all about wrestling. When I was in school the AD and President came to most of our meets. I knew them personally -- they cared about all the athletes at MSU. 2. The administration cares only about football and basketball (and hockey). Even the most wrestling obsessed probably are aware that MSU is in the top 5 in both football and basketball right now. So the administration is not at all concerned about negative fallout by virtue of refusal to terminate an incompetent wrestling coach. 3. I have talked personally to the administration. I have even had many who donate feverishly -- and for great amount$ -- to the school to talk to administration -- but to no avail. 4. I sincerely believe that if the entire state of Michigan wrote the administration to fire Minkel, the administration would not do that. 5. Minkel is the weak link here -- if people at his meets would: all wear sacks over their heads -- with slits for eyes or would all approach him and tell him that it long past time to retire, I think he would give up. He is not that strong. Anybody with any strength of character would have quit long ago -- for the good of the program -- not because the AD shoved him out the back door. Minkel must get so embarrassed that he has to quit. That is our only recourse IMO. Best - DA
  3. I still feel strongly that enough fans actually talked to Minkel personally, he would have to feel the pressure -- and retire at some point. DA
  4. I agree -- that would surely help. Some how Minkel has ingraciated (sp) himself with the administration -- so they are backing him. Best - DA
  5. I probably have as many Blubaugh stories as anybody. I have previously posted some -- but I will post some other when I get a chance. The last time I saw him, he was going home from the Big Tens and fell asleep -- and got into an accident -- in Southern Illinois. He called me -- and I went down there and picked him up. He stayed with me for a while (in the Chicago area) -- and we told each other a lot of stories about the good old days. What a great guy! And what a great coach! -- I think if there were a ranking of assistant coaches -- he would first -- all time. He told me he regretted every day when he left his job at MSU to become head coach at Indiana. In the next years, I'm going to (try to) write a book about Doug -- and our (mildly bizarre) '67 team. Thanks for posting this. Best - DA
  6. I went back to Waterloo to see my old beloved high school coach -- and we went to see Michigan State wrestle at the UNI tournament. I have watched the (MSU) kids wrestle, and almost without exception (e.g the heavyweight), they are just plain embarrassing -- even to watch. In the previous meet against Wisconsin, I didn't see one shot for takedown -- or anything that resembled an escape or reversal (maybe a couple of junior high attempted switches). Did you? So I caught Minkel for a moment during the tournament to beg him once again to retire. (I think his contract is up this year -- or next.) Instead of responding to my concerns (about his destroying the program), he kept making excuses about the wrestling room. I basically tried to tell him that if MSU had the best wrestling room in the country, he would still be last in the Big 10 or the Big 14 (next year) -- and 51st in the country. He's just way over the hill -- or something.? He tried to ignore me-- but I do believe I was getting through -- as I got somewhat more confrontational as we talked -- and I realized he was going to blame his poor performance on the wrestling room forever. I think that if more people at the meets encouraged him to retire -- and maybe sent notes to the ADs -- Minkel would feel a little more pressure to move on. Does anybody do that? Again, I don't feel any personal animosity toward Minkel. I just think he's destroyed a once proud program -- one I was personally associated with -- and helped to build. Best - DA
  7. No disrespect intended, but what's with all the standing around? Didn't they call passivity back then? "BACK THEN" ?? No disrespect intended, but have you seen a MIchigan State wrestle meet lately? :D DA
  8. Wayne just plain had a different kind of strength -- usable strength as I mentioned in the stories about his double double. I had seen the move used on lesser wrestlers by LOTS of people -- and I think I even used it a time or two maybe in my career. I'm talking about Wayne's using it against Olympic ability athletes. Just amazed me -- he could just muscle them. Anyway -- I shouldn't do this -- but I am interested in your OKlahoma connection. First, I had forgotten that I had seen Sager win the nationals in Cornell. Were you there? He then lost them in Wyoming -- probably to Stewart from Lehigh? Then lost them again at ISU in 66. That 37 pound class was stacked in 66 with a number of nationals champions in it. Also,, I always thought Haxel was the toughest of the three ( among Sager, Kharaghouli and Haxel) from reputation -- how did he fit in? Finally -- I think if I would have had to try out against Kharighouli every week, I would have ended up in a mental institution. Twice was twice tooo many. Were you able to ask Wayne if Wayne worked out with him anything about his strength -- I noticed that in '67 Kharaghouli wrestled 145 at the NCAA's and Wells wrestled 152 -- so their weights weren't that far off. I'm not saying that Kharaghouli was in Wells' class wrestlingwise, but I would think even Wayne would have said the guy was REALLY strong! Glad to hear Jay is getting around. I pray for him. Best - DA
  9. Ok -- so was it my imagination that Kharaghouli was the strongest guy I wrestled? I had to wrestle him twice -- and I think I would have rather gone against Sager or Haxel -- at least it would have been more fun -- even if I would have lost. Kharaghouli must have beaten them in tryout? Kharaghouli was so defensive -- AND STrONG -- that I really couldn't do a lot with him -- just had to try to wear him down. Do you think for his weight, he was a strong as Wells? He sure seemed so to me. PS Please say hi to Wayne for me if you see him. Best - DA
  10. About Wayne Wells -- We went to Japan on the first Athletes in Actions team (ever). We spent the summer of 67 preparing for the trip. One thing that I remember about Wells that impressed me was that if his opponent whizzered (sp) him, Wells would rise up go over the opponent's head / neck with his other arm, lock his hands and double double his opponent to the opponent's back. (I hope this makes sense -- I'm not real sure of the names of the moves any more. Maybe somebody else who saw him do this move could explain it better.) I always wondered how he could do that -- and I don't think I ever saw anybody else do it against really good wrestlers. I think he had sort of long arms -- but maybe more than that -- was just plain power / strength. Wayne was a great guy. Haven't seen him since '68 when we won the NCAA's together. I assume he's still a lawyer in Oklahoma City? Best - DA
  11. My dad died -- and his brother (my uncle) was on his death bed -- so I went to see him. My uncle on his death bed started to tell me about my dad -- and during the conversation he told me that my dad was best friends with Frank Gotch's son! I was surprised -- maybe shocked -- as my father had never once mentioned Gotch, even though they lived in the same town when dad was growing up. After that, one of the smartest things I ever did was to then video tape my mother narrating her life -- for about 2 hours. I couldn't believe the number of surprises I got when she recited her own autobiography. And now I have her life forever captured for posterity. I sure wish I had done that with Dad -- he might have surprised me with stories about Gotch! Best -- DA
  12. DAA - There's no one better to ask. How much influence did Coach Siddens have on you, Gable and the other great Waterloo West wrestlers? Coach Siddens had a profound impact on every kid who passed through the West High wrestling room. No kid should have been as blessed as I -- to have had Bob as my coach. As far as Dan -- At the end of my senior year his older sister, Diane, whom Dan loved, was murdered in probably the most infamous brutal homicide in Waterloo history. Dan was a sophomore. I was pallbearer for Diane. Who do you think counseled Dan for the next two years as Dan worked through his torments? How well would you have bounced back from a tragedy like that? I have no idea what Bob said to Dan during those two years -- but I will say this -- no one was / is better at saying just the right thing to every one of his wrestlers than Bob. So I can be pretty sure that Bob had the same profound impact on Dan that Bob had on me. (Bob Bowlsby, Big 12 Commissioner, and former AD at Stanford -- and average wrestler at West High -- once said that "Mr. Siddens" influences virtually every thing he does -- and every decision he makes -- sort of WWBD?) If you ever read the book about Siddens, written by Mike Chapman and Don Huff, you will see a chapter devoted to nothing but a zillion letters written to Bob about his influence on his former wrestlers -- (and those are just a small percentage of the ones h has received) even the 3d teamers (who went on to become doctors) wrote to tell him (Bob) how much he (Bob) had influenced them in whatever their work. Finally, I want to say, that I cannot but go back to Waterloo at least once a year to pay my respects to Bob -- And almost every wrestler I have ever talked to does the same -- either by calling regularly or stopping by. HOw many high school coaches can say that about their former wrestlers? I've given this advice before -- so I'll end by giving it again -- if you are a high school (or even a college)coach -- and if you want your wrestlers to perform at their best -- and you want them to remember you fondly 50 years from now -- show them that you care more about THEM, than you do about wrestling. (The wrestling will then take care of itself.) Best - DA
  13. Interesting thread for me as I have wondered myself about what an impact Gable had on wrestling in Iowa.. I grew up -- through 6th grade -- in a very little town of 700 people. I had never heard of wrestling. Ironically, our high school had beat the giant, West Waterloo, in basketball -- shortly before we moved to Waterloo -- and my brother was on one of the "Hoosiers" teams to play during that time. So, naturally, all I thought about / obsessed about was basketball. When we moved to Waterloo, I played on the junior high basketball team -- never even gave a thought to wrestling. Then a friend got me to come to the wrestling room in junior high -- and I was interested -- then I met Coach Siddens -- and I was mesmerized / hooked / immediately addicted. This was all, of course, pre-Gable, because Gable was two years my junior. No one -- no one -- in West Waterloo or Waterloo would have dreamed that Dan could change the state of wrestling in Waterloo or Iowa or the country when he wrestled for West High. He sort of willed himself to be "great" in every sense of the word. Did his sister's death play a part? I guess -- who knows? I guess so. But one thing I will say is that during the "Gable era" the number of high schools offering wrestling -- in Iowa -- increased markedly -- I'm not sure how many -- but I would bet that someone reading this thread would know. And btw -- the little (basketball) town I grew up in -- even that little town decided to offer wrestling during that time. I was reading Jay's (the Historian's) great book on the wrestling -- sort an epiphany for me-- According to Jay, Gable is the watershed moment in college wrestling. Pre-Gable, it's Oklahoma, Post Gable, it's Iowa. One last note on this -- when I was at Michigan State, we drew much larger crowds than Iowa did. In fact, when we wrestled Iowa it was normally in a huge field house -- the spectators looked sort of like marbles in a box car. I doubt that even the wrestler's girlfriends came to the meets. Check out the attendance numbers during the Gable era. So my opinion -- Gable stimulated an incredible growth in wrestling at the high school and college level in IOwa -- and he stimulated an incredible growth in spectator involvement in wrestling in Iowa. Best -- DA
  14. Gable -- I would be amazed if Gable were to say he was strong -- compared to the strongest. I will say this -- and I think both Gable and I subscribed to this philosophy: at least in our time -- nobody could wear opponents out - mentally, before the match -- like Dan. And nobody could wear opponents out during the match like Dan. When I wrestled, there were only a few who felt at all strong in the last couple minutes of the match to me. That made it a 100 times easier to work any move on them -- as I had already exhausted them. Frankly, once I saw my opponents put their hands on their knees or lock their hands on their heads while standing there before the ref blew the whistle, I knew they were no longer "strong" -- if you know what I mean -- and made me then twice as strong -- as I wanted them to notice that I was in constant motion, excited to get back inot the action (even if I didn't feel that way totally). ONe thing I would advise for kids who aren't quite as good is get in such good shape that you can wear your opponents down, so that their strength (or skill or whatever) can be nuetralized. Press them constantly -- shoot every 10 seconds at least and never stop motion on the bottom. Then even if you are behind 5 or 6 points, you can easily make it up in the last couple of minutes. I did that lots of times with guys who were better than I. Some people could say that these days all wrestlers are in better shape, so you can't wear them down -- maybe -- but I don't think so from what I see. Best - DA
  15. A good friend of mine wrestled for Michigan State 1968-1971, and he said that Blubaugh had the strength of a gorilla. Once he got a hold of you, he easily muscled you in to whatever predicament he pleased. You are not going to believe this -- but Doug never once muscled me. In fact, I muscled him. He had some unique ability to totally shut that down -- and just go at my level. I told him I wanted him to do that as I had no desire to have him beat the crap out of me. He was an amazing coach in that he could kick his level up to "man mountain bear" (he used to call it) -- or down to where he could work out with the 118 pounders. ] Just an incredible coach and guy. I miss him. Best -- DA
  16. I bought the book -- it's very good -- even though there is nothing about Michigan State for 2013 ;). (Jay could have at least said that the Spartans, once again, for the 10th year (or whatever) in a row placed last in the Big Ten and tied for 51st at the NCAA tournament!) Anyway, for this FREE service of Jay's, wrestlingstats.com, you can make a donation to a fantastic cause. Do it. A lot of time I have been discussing wrestling with people who know 100 times more than I do about wrestling stats, etc. I will mention Jays site and suggest they go onto it. They tell me that they are amazed at all the great stats there. Best -- DA
  17. I recognized some of the "old" wrestlers discussed on this thread -- so I thought I'd chime in here. I think I've discussed this before -- But I think Doug Blubaugh was the strongest I've ever known. Blubaugh was extraordinarily strong. I saw him toy with our heavyweight -- just using power -- That heavyweight pinned two-time national champion, Dave Porter -- and was very strong and skilled himself. In fact, Doug could obviously toy with anyone on the team. Doug worked out with George Radman the most in the practice room. George was so strong (and skilled) that he slaughtered a national champion in the NCAA finals his senior yera. Doug easily overpowered him. One time Doug asked George what his weight was -- and Geaorge gave a smart-ass answer. The next thing you know George is up against the wall about two feet off the ground with Doug more or less holding him aloft with one hand. (George probably weighed 185 at the time.) I believe beond any doubt that George could have been a two time NCAA champion -- but that year Doug beat George up so badly that poor George lost a lot of confidence. I always told Doug not to use strength or skills agains me -- just each me. And Doug was great at that. Uetake was another guy who never got credit for his strength. He was really strong in a weird kind of way. Hard to explain. I think the strongest guy I wrestled was Al Karaghouli -- from OU. Since I would be a candidate for the weakest wrestler of all time, I tried to outsmart the strong ones -- by not tying up -- and not spending too much time on the bottom, if you know what I mean. But I do remember that when I made the mistake of tying up with Al it didn't feel good to me -- in fact, it felt a bit scary. PS -- I've heard personal stories from people who wrestled Hodge. They said that after tying up with him (Hodge) he left bruises on their arms / biceps etc that didn/t go away for weeks. Best - DA
  18. Thanks. One of the guys I looked up to most in college was the assistant coach, Doug Blubaugh. He was the Dan Gable of the 60's. I told Doug once that I was going to be an NCAA champion. He responded, basically that there's no way to know that -- and that I should lower my goals. The only one who believed in me during that period was my high school coach, Bob Siddens. He was actually the first person to put into my brain that I was going to be a national champion -- and he was the only person who thought that I was going to do that, frankly. When the head coach at MSU said that I would never make the team at Michigan State, Siddens told him, "You don't know Dale Anderson." Who wouldn't be inspired by a coach like that. (Believe me, Doug was a great mentor and friend -- and just an all-around great guy. I'm sure he was just trying save me from my dreams. And my head coach? We are friends -- I frankly think he was a great coach -- and basically a good guy. So please don't think I'm complaining -- but I will say that college coaches are never like high school coaches -- if you know what I mean.) I love to reach high -- and the vast majority of things I have reached for -- I failed (take title 9 for instance) If I had failed to win the a national championship (and I came within one second of losing) -- I wouldn't feel any different than I do right now about now about it. You asked for advice -- here's mine. And with this -- I'm done: If you love the sport, go out for it -- and do the best you can. If you don't love the sport, find what you do love -- and put your heart into that. God bless - DA
  19. Dale, I know you know this but didn't say it in your post, the application of the "quota" standard component of Title IX is a choice made by the school/AD - it's not specifically mandated by Title IX. The quota standard is offered as but one of three options for establishing compliance. Schools could employ one of the other standards if so inclined and then not have to cut male athletes from sports. I say this only to fix responsibility with those who are truly responsible - the schools/AD. I made the comment about t9 -- only to point out that t9 goes after the weakest programs and the weakest athletes -- ones that cannot defend themselves -- i.e. walk-ons. That's another reason I hate it / t9 so much. I hate to say this -- and I hope not to turn this thread into a debate about t9 -- but since you are addressing me personally, I must rebut -- as I couldn't disagree with you more that there are three ways to comply with t9. All roads lead to proportionality. Another reason I hate it / the quota is that I spent 10 years -- the vast majority of that time pro bono --fighting the quota advocates -- even at the Supreme Court and in every other venue -- including the administration / President and Congress -- including wasting three years of my life on the Hill in Washington DC. I concluded that 1. The three-prong approach to gender equity was nothing but smoke and mirrors. I have explained why this is true dozens of times on this site, but to no avail, so I'm not going to do it again. 2. The anti quota side has been dead in the water since day one -- probably 1972, but certainly since 1979 -- and absolutely sime the 80's.. Frankly, there were times when we had a chance to survive and thrive -- the quota leadership was willing to concede ground that they would not even consider now. I watched at the beginning when the quota advocates and male sport advocates met to decide how t9 would work with sports at the college level. It was all on video too. The women chose their smartest advocates -- we chose our dumbest. During one discussion, the women (quota advocates) conceded during those early debates that football and basketball are unique and probably should not be counted in the quota / proportionality equation -- just to be fair. Your leader / "our" leader -- a football coach -- and a guy who played too many games without his helmet said something like every football and basketball player is the same athlete as as every other athlete on campus -- and should be counted the same. (he thought the women were trying to demean the football player, when in fact, the women wanted to give male athletes a break.) I could only burn with embarrassment that this football coach was our spokesman. He really had NO IDEA what the women were conceding. My dog could have figured out that the was concession / deal we should have died for. Instead we missed our chance -- Since that time -- since the quota advocates know that they are smarter than we are -- the quota advocates have used smoke and mirrors to fool us. Using AD's or football as the bad guys here is nothing but a ruse. I could spend 800 hours to explain why but when I was done -- most people in the wrestling community would still say Isn't the problem really football? Or isn't the probem really administrators? Let me give you a quick example from the old days that I used to use to explain why all roads lead to proportionality -- the quota. Let's say the prong is satisfying female interest on campus. Now what happens is that 5 females come to you, (you are the AD), and say, "We're not satisfied." We want a bowling team -- or a ping pong team -- or whatever happens to be the flavor of the month -- maybe a rowing team -- or a volleyball team -- whatever. You must satisfy these five girls as they are, by definition, reflecting "interest" -- at least that's the way it worked back in the 80's and 90's when all of these issues were being sorted out by administrators. YOu do realize -- at that moment when those girls face off with you in your office -- you are no longer the AD -- these five girls are. There is ONLY one way that nobody / no female can demand a team -- achieving proportionality. So why wouldn't every administrator attempt to do that -- and how? by destorying opportunity for the walk-on (because who cares about them?) I can't tell you the number of times AD's basically told me this type of story back in the 80's and 90's when they were destroying male non-revenue sports -- and opportunities for walk=-ons to participate. And, to me, it made sense. That prong made it impossible for AD's to be Athletic DIRECTORS. I frankly have not been involved in the t9 fight for at least 10 years, but the only people I trust to tell me what is presently going on is Leo Kocher (UNiversity of Chicago) and Eric Pearson and Clay McEndowney (Princeton) as IMO, they are able to cut through the smoke (and mirrors) to view the truth during this period since I left the fight. They are very smart -- and I have really concluded that unless you work very hard to see the truth -- or you are very smart, the logic of it will escape you. Those three that have helped to form some sort of foundation basically tell me that all the problems that I addressed in 80's and 90's are the same now -- except maybe worse -- I'll take their word for it -- and thank God that he gave me the good sense to get out when I did. I have encouraged people on this site to join their crusade as it is my opinion that your side / our side is leaderless -- except for them. I wrote way longer than I wanted to -- as I told myself a long time ago -- I would never again indulge in these t9 debates as they are a BIG waste of time for me now. I served my term. When I was done -- I was done. Trust me, though --- if you spent ten years on the t9 issue, as I did , you would never say the problem is AD's or football or the two other prongs. Those are just smoke and mirrors. Best - DA
  20. Maybe if you weren't a National Prep runner-up I'd say your story was inspirational. Don't you people realize were talking about a kid that failed to qualify for a state tournament. I've read all your great "walk-on" stories, but those "walk-ons" were WAY more accomplished than this guy. You are all setting him up for failure and the beatings of a lifetime. I'm surprised no one has told the kid to go watch Rudy for some inspiration. This is the only post I read on this thread. I'll say it -- Go watch Rudy -- and HOosiers -- and anything else that inspires you to do better -- or be better. DA
  21. A subject near and dear to my heart. I was technically a "walk-on" at Michigan State. The head coach, my freshman year there, told my high school coach that I would never make the team. (My college coach admitted he said that.) I didn't get a penny my first year there. I think that experience made me hungry to show the the coach -- and everyone else -- that I could make the team. Three years later, I was a two-time NCAA champion. It can be done -- but it takes determination and a lot of work... The most important thing a walk-on has to do is not listen to anybody who tells you you can't do it. (And that goes for reaching goals in every area of life. There will always be people who are negative -- stay away from them. Do what you love -- and strive to be the best.) Finally, I have two things I'd like to say generally about walk-ons. 1. The walk-ons on our team were always able to pick up the baton and run just as fast as the rest of us. One walk-on on our team was an all-american and another was a Big Ten champion and alternate to the Olympic team. Why ?? -- because they WANTED IT. I had incredible respect for our walk-ons -- and always will because they were doing it for the LOVE of the sport. 2. When I went back to MSU to get my doctorate, I saw kids leaving the wrestling room crying -- CRYING! Why? Because they just got cut. Why did they get cut? Because of title 9. How did that work? Well I asked the AD. She said that because the female track coach couldn't get anyone to walk-on -- it set up a disproportionate relationship between mens and womens "participation" -- meaning male non-revenue sports had to cut their athletes (even though they weren't costing the school a penny). In reality, the female track coach just didn't want any walk-ons -- becasue the they just waste everyone's time and space. (Unfortunately, once I start bitching about t9, it's hard for me to stop. As alot of you know I've been in about 8,000,000 arguments about t9 on this website. And I long ago burned out on the subject.) Suffice it to say for now, that a lot of athletes / wrestlers who were happy to buy their own jocks just to be able to work out with the varsity were "cut" from the team just to satisfy a ridiculous quota. I told the wrestling community 20 years ago that if it didn't kill the quota, the quota was going to kill wrestling -- starting with the walk-ons. So, in conclusion -- I love walk-ons (because they are wrestling solely for the love of the sport) -- (and I hate t9 -- and I always will because it destroyed the [male] walk-on). Best - DA
  22. I apologize if someone already posted this match. This is the match where Gutches beats Sanderson - PS for Fadz -- some nice duckunders by Gutches -- somebody probably already showed that on the other thread. DA
  23. I saw those matches too. Van Arsdale was from West Waterloo High, so I was particularly interested in that match. I had forgotten that it was Gutches he got beaten by in the other match -- both great matches -- lots of action. I thought Sanderson really got screwed in one of the matches -- can't remember which one. (Does anyone remember?) My problem is that I wasn't as familiar with all the rules as I might have to be able to judge. I think I was sitting with Sanderson's father, who is (was?) a really good guy. I don't think he complained at all about the calls -- very cool and collected. It was the only time I had seen Van Arsdale or Sanderson wrestle. I had seen Gutches beat Brinzer at the NCAA's I think -- maybe the semi's? Best - DA
  24. Yes -- I wrestled for MSU in '68. Denny -- Thanks -- FADZ sent me the '68 NCAA finals -- really appreciated that he did that. Best - DA
  25. I love this -- thanks. If anybody knows if there is a 1968 version of the NCAA's, would you let me know? DAA2000@aol.com Best - DA
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