The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

3 hours ago, 4awrestler said:

Could you give us the truth of the matter? I’m honestly asking for clarification. How many coaches and which ones were asked and who was against it/for it?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

i've done so a million times on this board and i'm over it.

i only keep allowing myself to be sucked back into this thread b/c i read obvious misconceptions (and a ton of bad takes).

someone ban me! 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

don't conflate the NWCA and the NCAA wanting a duals championship with

'the majority of coaches' and/or 'what's best for the athletes'

as the same thing. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

58 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

This is fallacious.  Upsets are much more likely in duals than in tournaments.

haha. told ya. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

23 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

How do you know no one serious wants a dual championship to decide team champ?  Apparently the majority of coaches wanted it in 2012.

 

that's false. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

let me ask this question (and i'm not being rhetorical)

you guys think that the reason ncaa's is the most wild, well attended wrestling event on earth is not because it's the most exciting, but because it has the ncaa title attached to it?

as in, if you had a national duals at the end of the year and slapped an ncaa title on to it, you honestly believe that the excitement, attendance, press, fanfare, and coverage would be equal to or greater than what we have now? 

[Years where best dual team didn't win NCAAs?]

the arena was perfect for the size of competition.

as far as capacity...doesn't matter .... it wasn't close to filled. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

3 hours ago, Plasmodium said:

Uh, 90% don't know that.

then i direct you back to option 1) 

 look at the scoreboard

[Years where best dual team didn't win NCAAs?]

1 minute ago, MSU158 said:

 

For deciding the best individual per weight, it is the best possible format I could think of and probably the most fair. For deciding the team championship it is a convoluted system putting way to many things to chance.

you're completely lying. 

at the heart of the issue - for every single person that wants duals to determine the champion - is that fluke stuff can happen in duals and thus more 'surprises'.

in bracketed individuals, a fluke can happen and that guy can still mitigate it by coming back for 3 or 5th or whatever.

i'm done arguing about it. it's never gonna happen and for good reason. 

i really look forward to the same thread popping up in 350ish days

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

18 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Difficult for an entirely different reason.  If Michigan State has a narrow lead over CSUB heading into the championship matches of an NCAA tournament, 90% of fans wouldn't independently know when the tournament is decided.  100% would know when the BB is decided.

that's not true.

1) you can look at the scoreboard

2) it's 4 for a win + bonus. it's not difficult. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

so what?

ive done nothing in my life but follow wrestling and even i am uncertain at times of advance pts etc.

know what i do when that occurs? 

i look at the scoreboard. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

oh ffs, now you're telling me what i like and don't like.

the salient point is this - the team score is not a barrier to following ncaa wrestling. it's literally on a huge giant freakin screen at all times.

using team score as a point of emphasis to change the most successful wrestling event on god's green earth is beyond disingenuous 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

Is there some big contingent out there that love how the world tournament is scored?  Barely anybody cares at all about the team score at Worlds.

c'mon vak. you know precisely why i brought it up - as a rebuttal to jason.

also - 

that's your opinion. i love the team race at worlds.

 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

lol. good point.

there is an enormous scoreboard with team standings. 

tallying team scores is not a freakin issue. 

[Years where best dual team didn't win NCAAs?]

Furthermore, Nick Dardanes was the 2 seed, lost first round to a guy from the citadel, and went 2-2.

minnesota didn't lose out on a team title because Mitchell Port lost, for god's sake

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

b/c Worlds is extremely difficult to deduce team scores in progress and is also the pinnacle of the style

[Years where best dual team didn't win NCAAs?]

3 hours ago, MSU158 said:

But, PSU winning over Minnesota by 5.5, mainly because the 1 seed. Mitchell Port got upset and Dardanes had to wrestle him in the R12 is a more accurate way?

Dardanes had to?

he was the 6 seed who lost in the 2nd round. you realize part of the equation is he himself not carrying his seed. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

3 hours ago, JasonBryant said:

I'll stop beating around the bush on this.

The way we score our greatest event ... is freaking stupid.

There's a reason I announce how many points each win is worth at the nationals. I shouldn't have to. It's our greatest event and that type of thing should be understood, just like how many points any scoring action is in  (almost) any other sport. 

 

now do Worlds

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

On 3/29/2022 at 2:29 PM, GockeS said:

i think a dual tourney, featuring Iowa, Penn St., Michigan, Minnesota, Cornell, Arizona State. NC State, Nebraska, Oklahoma State

would be a full arena if held in the right part of the country.

 

 

five of those teams were in the same building in december. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

On 3/29/2022 at 1:09 PM, VakAttack said:

 

As to the general format, I would say, as somebody suggested above, the top 6-8 teams based on a ranking get in, similar to the current college football system.

 

and you think that is going to be more attended and watched than the individual NCAA tournament? based on what data/information/assumptions?

whose rankings? 

didn't we already have something similar to this at a different time of year ?

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

On 3/29/2022 at 12:50 PM, 1032004 said:

Haven't you said you wanted to have an official dual tournament but in December or something?

 

I don't think you need more than 8 teams.  So it's 2 more matches.    Going off of a ranking would probably be sufficient.  

Yes, i did. what was proposed in this thread is replacing the current ncaa tournament. which is 1) stupid and 2) will never happen

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

any one of you geniuses want to tell me what a nationals of duals to end the season looks like?

how many teams get in? 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

It's not just familiar and convenient; it's more sensical, more attractive (regardless what anyone, on any message board says), and more insulated from fluke stuff. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

Didn't see Vak whine last year when Iowa clinched before Day 2 ended lol

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

i should just write an article on why: 1) duals as an arbiter is a farce 2) why the national duals format (the previous incarnation) was stupid and untenable and 3) Cael didn't kill the national duals

and have the mods pin the link.

that way you crybabies and revisionists wouldn't have to whine and post lies every year. 

[The lack of importance of the team scoring again put on front Street today]

On 3/19/2022 at 3:53 PM, VakAttack said:

 

Penn State won the team title 2 hours ago in front of me and about 3k people. It's silly and detrimental to the sport. Dual tournament should decide the team title.

 

Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk

 

 

 

what do you mean 3k people?