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I would consider OSU the favorite here 6-4 however the possible starting lineup changes does introduce some uncertainty. Surprised to see this so late in the season. Seems to me the probability of working out goes down the longer you wait. Still, should be a great dual.

I know I am in the minority but how is it good for the fans to watch a talented guy like Rivera made to look ordinary because the other guy has a decisive weight advantage. This meant nothing for for the dual outcome so I'm just not seeing the value here.

I realize as a Gopher fan, you prefer to live in the past however your Taylor comments seem pretty ridiculous considering he just won a world title, or was that Olympic weight weak?

197 is the weakest weight class again and Bo is all world. His only close match really wasn't close and Nickal along with the entire team was burnt for that Wisky dual. I would be shocked to see Bo lose this year.

Geez, when you put it like that you almost make MSU sound silly, lol. I do have to agree that McKenna should keep his #2 ranking since Lee lost to Moran whom McKenna beat and that's a worse loss.

Chin Fuzz is part of the plan

Harder to overcome two losses if he did beat Rivera at BigTens. Now with only one loss, he would be seeded ahead at NCAAs. That why this was done. Aside from that, Young sat out after wrestling Friday simply to avoid another loss that would lower his winning percentage, a factor in seeding. Iowa fans can rationalize all they want but when you cherry pick the schedule and only have your guys wrestle those they can beat, that's ducking, period, end of discussion. Brands has now done this with multiple wrestlers, multiple times. It's becoming systematic and other coaches are not doing this to anywhere near the degree Iowa is.As far as Lee's health, I'm sure the only way many Iowa fans will say he is back to 100% is IF he beat Rivera and wins an NCAA Championship. It's obvious there is no way they will admit this prior to the matchup and risk a loss with no excuse. Heck, he just destroyed the #12 wrestler in the country on Friday, yet he incapable of going on Sunday against Rivera, please!

I think it is highly unlikely he can transition back to wrestling and make the Olympic team. He simply wasn't as good as some people made him out to be when he was wrestling and with the new weight-in rules, he most likely can't make 65 healthy and he isn't going to beat guys like Burroughs, Dake, Dieringer and possibly Hall as a small 74. That being said, I do think he should step away from from MMA, that way his fans can tell how great he would of been if he stuck with it.

Next year is going to be really interesting. You can't lose Nolf and Nickal and not fall back to the pack a bit but PSU should still have a nice lineup. tOSU, Michigan, OSU and Iowa will also have strong lineups so it will be interesting to see how things play out next year. Cassar is pretty much a lock to get a 6th year, think he would of qualified even with the previous more stringent rule. Rasheed isn't as clear but it's a possibility and I think it's important for Penn State's team title hopes. Brooks is an outstanding talent but he looked like an average sized 174 at Midlands so I have some concern he can become a full sized 184 in one year.

Hall will keep it closer this time around, maybe even win: -at Penn State, long travel day for ASU -1 hour weigh-in unlike ncaa finals -PSU staff and Hall have watched a lot of video

I added Russ...... Thanks for posting the links, still have some work to do now, lol. Couple replies to posts above: If you look carefully at the list you will see that the vast majority of points come from international competition. NCAA results are usually nothing more then a tie breaker. Beyond that, the wrestling community values college wrestling and folk so it's my opinion it should be represented in a list like this. I thought about adding winning the US Open or WTTS, but I think you need to win a world level medal to make a list of "all time." Furthermore, adding that criteria wouldn't change the rankings much and would be a lot more work. Greco should probably be included but I still haven't gotten all the freestyle guys in yet; maybe in the future they can be merged.

Another World Championships has come and gone and it's time to update the rankings! Welcome to the list David Taylor, Kyle Dake and Joe Colon! I tweaked the scoring to give Olympic Gold a little more value. As always, if missing someone, let me know and give their credentials if possible. Remember, this a career ranking and not who was best at their peak. Olympic Champion = 8.5 points World Champion = 6.5 points Olympic Silver/Bronze = 5 points World Silver/Bronze = 4 points NCAA National Title = 2 points NCAA Finalist = 1 point NCAA All-American = 0.5 point Bruce Baumgartner (74.5) 2 Olympic Gold/3 World Gold/1 Olympic Silver/3 World Silver/1 Olympic Bronze/3 World Bronze/1 NCAA Title/2 NCAA Finals John Smith (48) 2 Olympic Gold/4 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Jordan Burroughs (47) 1 Olympic Gold/4 World Gold/2 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Dave Schultz (38.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/3 World Silver/2 World Bronze/1 NCAA Title/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Kyle Snyder (31.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 World Gold/1 World Silver/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Lee Kemp (30.5) 3 World Gold/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Rick Sanders (29.5) 1 World Gold/2 Olympic Silver/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Mark Schultz (27.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 World Gold/3 NCAA Titles Kenny Monday (24) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/1 Olympic Silver/1 NCAA Title/ 2 NCAA Finals Kevin Jackson (24) 1 Olympic Gold/2 World Gold/1 NCAA Final/3 NCAA AA Terry Brands (23) 2 World Gold/1 Olympic Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Wayne Wells (22) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/1 World Silver/1 NCAA Title/ 1 NCAA Final J'Den Cox (22) 1 World Gold/1 Olympic Bronze/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Ben Peterson (21.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 Olympic Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles John Peterson (21.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 Olympic Silver/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze Tom Brands (21.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/3 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA AA Cael Sanderson (21) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Silver/4 NCAA Titles Chris Campbell (20.5) 1 Olympic Bronze/ 1 World Gold/1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Lincoln Mcllravy (20) 1 Olympic Bronze/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Sammie Henson (20) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Gold/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Dan Gable (20) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Kurt Angle (20) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final Barry Davis (19.5) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA AA Greg Gibson (19) 2 World Silver/1 World Silver (Greco)/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Finals Melvin Douglas (18.5) 1 World Gold/1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles Jake Varner (18.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/2 NCAA Finals Ed Banach (15.5) 1 Olympic Gold/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Finals Cary Kolat (14.5) 1 World Silver/1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Joe Williams (14.5) 2 World Bronze/3 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Logan Stieber (14.5) 1 World Gold/ 4 NCAA Titles Kyle Dake (14.5) 1 World Gold/ 4 NCAA Titles Randy Lewis (14) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Zeke Jones (13.5) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Gold/1 NCAA Final/2 NCAA AA Nick Gwiazdowski (13.5) 2 World Bronze/ 2 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA Final/ 1 NCAA AA Bobby Weaver (13) 1 Olympic Gold/1 World Silver/1 NCAA AA David Taylor (12.5) 1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/2 NCAA Finals Lou Banach (12.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Titles Bill Smith (12.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Titles Stephen Neal (12) 1 World Gold/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Doug Blubaugh (11.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 NCAA Title/2 NCAA AA Kendall Cross (11.5) 1 Olympic Gold/1 NCAA Title/2 NCAA AA Nate Carr (11) 1 Olympic Bronze/3 NCAA Titles Stephen Abas (11) 1 Olympic Silver/3 NCAA Titles Brandon Slay (10.5) 1 Olympic Gold/2 NCAA Finals James Green (10)1 World Silver/ 1 World Bronze/ 4 NCAA AA Jake Herbert (9.5) 1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA Final/1 NCAA AA Russ Hellickson (9) 1 Olympic Silver/1 World Bronze Don Pritzlaff (9) 1 World Bronze/2 NCAA Titles/ 2 NCAA AA Coleman Scott (9) 1 Olympic Bronze/1 NCAA Title/1 NCAA Final/2 NCAA AA Bill Zadick (9) 1 World Gold/1 NCAA Title/ 1 NCAA AA Kerry McCoy (8.5) 1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/ 1 NCAA AA Royce Alger (8.5) 1 World Silver/2 NCAA Titles/1 NCAA AA Henry Cejuda (8.5) 1 Olympic Gold Tervel Dlagnev(8) 2 World Bronze Thomas Gilman (6) 1 World Silver/ 1 NCAA Final/ 2 NCAA AA Mike Zadick (5.5) 1 World Silver/ 3 NCAA AA Joe Colon (4.5)1 World Bronze/1 NCAA AA *Honorable Mention: Yojiro Uetake-Obata (23) 2 Olympic Gold (Japan)/3 NCAA Titles

PSU's lightweights have been fine, just not as strong as the middle/upper weights that have been tremendous. There seems to be some revisionist history regarding Conaway. He wasn't ranked in the top 100 even after his senior season was complete. He was 38-3 at 112 and was headed to Liberty for a reason. Saying the staff doesn't deserve credit for developing a non 100 recruit into a multiple AA is absurd, especially when it's the same people who consistently devalue Penn State's coaching accomplishments because of the number of top 10 recruits they get. Can't have it both ways.

He must of watched Mr. Rogers as a child

Won't be perfect but I'm glad to see it. Just wish they got rid of the pigtail matches while they were at it. There is no need for a 33rd wrestler in each bracket.