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    bigmik got a reaction from GranbyTroll in Grading Lou Rosselli   
    If you lower the bar just enough, everyone looks like they're doing an A plus job.
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    bigmik got a reaction from denger in Boy do I love me some Gilman(More fuel for his haters)   
    Unfortunately, most wrestling fans are clueless.
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    bigmik got a reaction from gutfirst in time to change potentially dangerous calls   
    There's hope for you MSU158. I knew it wasn't a good idea to completely write you just yet. A lot of what I say may seem crazy now, but you'll see in the future that I actually hit the nail on the head far more times than not. Especially when you come to the realization that some of the "nonsensical" or "controversial" things I say are mainstream "beliefs" amongst the elite of the sport.
     
    Technique is becoming increasingly devalued and I'm going to speak to that sad fact no matter what. Even as the degradation of proper wrestling takes place right before our very eyes. As long as a wrestler puts up "bonus points" everything is supposed to be all fine and dandy. No matter how flawed his wrestling was in getting to that point.
     
    That's why I mention Dake so much, he exposed the last bonus point idol in a very profound way. Seeing the faces of the "knowledgeable" wrestling fans out there when Dake picked apart Mr. Dominant, when it was so obviously going to happen, very much amused me. It would be nice if there were a Dake or Kemp type guy out there every year to expose what the fatally technically flawed, yet still, consistent bonus point scoring idols really are...
     
    I'll stop here before I go off on any more of a tangent
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Is it time to start talking Nick Suriano NCAA champ?   
    Vak, you asked me for evidence that he recruited great HS wrestlers and I provided it to you. Then you wanted specific rankings of each wrestler. Then when I didn't give the exact ranking immediately, you made the ridiculous claim that I "was guessing". I don't know what Daton Fix is ranked either, but that doesn't mean I'm guessing when I say he's a "great" HS wrestler. And Vak, where did you state that "he wasn't getting the consensus "best wrestlers" at their weight overall on a regular basis"? That statement is nowhere to be found on that thread. And I told you far more than "Tom and Terry Brands were very good and we all know it" I gave you a list that included dream teamers and 1st team HS AAs (like Terry Brands btw). Are you being deliberately obtuse? 
    Btw,you mentioning that Thomas Gilman had a dominant season last year repeatedly doesn't make it so. You act like it's clearly true that Gilman had a dominant season last year.
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    bigmik got a reaction from bigtenfan in Is it time to start talking Nick Suriano NCAA champ?   
    "Dominant"? Gilman has zero national titles and undefeated seasons to his name.
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    bigmik got a reaction from Tofurky in (The) John Smith to wrestle Kenny Gajewski this Friday night   
    That's nothing, wait until you see him at the 70kg world team trials!
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    bigmik got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in (The) John Smith to wrestle Kenny Gajewski this Friday night   
    That's nothing, wait until you see him at the 70kg world team trials!
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    bigmik got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Zahid Valencia to 174   
    I, for one, have no problem with the back and forth between you two. If MSU158 can get his wife's permission to make the bet, I think most would be very interested in the outcome when Martinez and Valencia finally square off.
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    bigmik got a reaction from NYWRESTLER94 in Flo 125 Analysis: 1. Gilman 2. Dance 3. Suriano   
    I thought we were talking about rankings? If so, those upperclassmen had results to base a ranking off of. In the case of true freshman, they have no results against D1 competition to justify a top ranking.
     
    Anyone who's considered talented enough to be in the title hunt at seasons end should be "talked about", but they shouldn't be too ranked until they produce results. I think Suriano has the talent to be in the finals next year, but that doesn't mean that he should be ranked in the top 2.
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    bigmik got a reaction from NYWRESTLER94 in Flo 125 Analysis: 1. Gilman 2. Dance 3. Suriano   
    Some people "just knew" that Marsteller was going to be in the national championship discussion from day one, but that never happened in reality.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Would the squawkeyes be winning if Gable were coach?   
    Many of these names are obvious great HS wrestlers/recruits to even fair-weather Iowa fans of golden era of the program. Other older posters like Big Apple and Badgermon, can confirm that many of these guys were serious deals back then. Maybe you guys can add your knowledge to this thread. I'll start with the ones that stick out like a sore thumb, and a few other notables... 
    John Bowlsby 1974 Wrestling USA AA, 1974 Senior World team member and USWF national champ
    Mike Deanna 1976 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection 3x state champion OH
    Randy Lewis 1977 Wrestling USA Dream Team 89-0 (83 falls) Youngest ever Junior World Champ
    Mark Trizzino 1979 Wrestling USA Dream Team
    Jeff Kerber 1979 2nd ever 4 time undefeated Iowa champ (126-0) 3 time national HS champ/ Jr world tm
    Pete Bush 1979 1st team USA Dream Team and USWF freestyle national champion
    Louis Chiapperelli 1980 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection Junior national FS champion
    Mart Kistler 1981 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection Junior national champion
    Rico Chiapperelli 1982 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection
    Greg Randall 1982 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection 4 time IA state champion
    Joe Melchiore 1984 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection 3x NJ state champion
    Bart Chelesvig 1987 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection
    Ray Brinzer 1990 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection 3x PA champ 3 time Junior national champ
    Mike Mena 1992 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection Only 4 time undefeated Illinois champ (157-0-1)
    Lincoln Mcilravy 1992 Wrestling USA Dream Team selection 5 time state champion
    Jeff McGinness 1993 Wrestling USA Dream Team, 4 time IA state champ (172-0) Jr World champ & OW
    Joe Williams 1993 Wrestling USA Dream Team, 4 time Illinois state champ (beat Mcilravy in HS, was considered to be better than Mena)
     
    Bruce Kinseth *1975 Honorable mention AA (made this team on the strength of one undefeated season in High School. Senior year in HS was like legendary senior year in college)
    Scott Trizzino 1976 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Harlan Kistler 1978 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Duane Goldman 1981 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Jim Heffernan 1982 Wrestling USA High school AA
    Steve Randall 1982 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Steve Martin 1985 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Mark Reiland 1987 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Terry Steiner 1988 Wrestling USA High School AA
    Troy Steiner 1988 Wrestling USA High School AA
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Would the squawkeyes be winning if Gable were coach?   
    I'd add Barry Davis to this list. He was a 3 time state champion in Iowa, winning his last title in 1980. This was the era when 2,3,and 4 time champs were rare in HS. Although you see them every year now, this was not the norm back then. Jeff Kerber was the second ever 4 time Iowa champion in 1979, and was the first HS wrestler ever to go unbeaten for 4 years of varsity wrestling (according to the Iowa wrestling HOF). During this era the Iowa state title carried more weight than it does now. This has changed with states like PA and OH separating themselves from the pack, followed by NJ and CA.
     
    Keep in mind a wrestler like Bruce Kinseth was able to make AA honorable mention on the strength of one undefeated season in Iowa followed by a 2nd place finish at Junior nationals. Kinseth wrestled JV until his sophomore year in HS. Iowa then was like PA and OH are now where it's not unheard of for a wrestler to make his way into the national rankings without leaving the state. This is why Barry Davis with 3 state titles as well as two top 5 finishes at Junior nationals was a great recruit. The same is true for Jim Zalesky who was a 2 time state champion that earned two top 5 finishes at the Junior nationals. Zalesky and Davis competed on the same HS team and were well coached. Very good recruits for their time.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Would the squawkeyes be winning if Gable were coach?   
    Chris Campbell
     
    A snippet from an article on Campbell:
     
    "Wrestling had been his passion since he was 14, growing up in Westfield, N.J. The freshman coach saw him playing basketball and told Campbell, "You're an awful player. Why don't you come out for wrestling?" Negative recruiting, but it worked.
     
    By the time he was a high school senior, Campbell was getting scholarship offers, but not from the one place he wanted to go: the University of Iowa, a wrestling power.
     
    He turned down everybody else and went to Iowa for the summer. He worked in a manufacturing plant, scraping rubber off Detroit-bound car door handles. And he wrestled. The more he did, the more he impressed Iowa coaches. When he battled the most touted recruit in the nation to a deadlock, the scholarship was his."
     
    Article doesn't mention that Campbell placed 2nd at the Junior nationals that year. Campbell is an "athletic freak" by most anyone's standards. Consider that he retired from wrestling for 6 years before making a comeback to make the World team in '90. In '92 he made the Olympic team at 37 years old! Was recruited before Gable was the head coach, but won an ncaa title for him in 1977. Gable's first ever national champion as head coach; 1977 was his first ncaa tournament.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Would the squawkeyes be winning if Gable were coach?   
    Tom and Terry were also high quality recruits. Terry was a three time state finalist and two time state champion. He was a 3 time Junior nationals AA, even making the finals once as an underclassmen. Tom was an undefeated state champion as a junior. Missed the state tournament his senior year for personal issues. Tom was a two time AA in the Junior nationals. Terry's resume looks a slight notch below super elite at the HS level for that era. I think it's fair to say that they were at close to an identical level going into college.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Would the squawkeyes be winning if Gable were coach?   
    Remember Alan Fried was one of the greatest recruits ever. He qualified for Olympic trials during HS. Considering the circumstances, that's not a surprising result. I'm not sure that Gable had a single rival school out-recruit him during his 21 years at Iowa overall. Many of those guys I listed were 1 percenters. Some Fried level. He was getting some of those guys from the beginning of his coaching tenure to the very end. From Bowlsby (World team member and senior national champion in HS) and Kerber to McGinnes and Williams. He even had Juergens in the room before he retired, though he didn't coach him through his varsity career.
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    bigmik got a reaction from Flying-Tiger in OSU and Preseason rankings   
    Yes, Klimara was an AA too. Rios wasn't an AA and he was a top 10 guy all year, but you already agree that that means very little. You were very confident in Klimara making AA last season; did you really think he wouldn't have to beat anyone as good as Youtsey or Rios to make the podium? What did this "guaranteed" AA run for Klimara look like in your mind?
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in OSU and Preseason rankings   
    I don't believe that his draw was "unusually hard". Cruz faced two guys who went on to earn AA status at the tournament. One of the guys that Cruz lost to (Schram) beat one of the guys that beat Klimara (Rios). Rios was one of the guys that you used to point out that Klimara had a tough draw. And he wasn't a returning AA either. So if you can use a non AA to demonstrate that a draw was unusually tough, it should be fair game to point out a guy who's draw featured two wrestlers that would earn AA status. And again, one of those guys beat Rios, a wrestler that you considered to be part of the bad draw.
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    bigmik got a reaction from headshuck in Gabe Dean tops Flo 184 Rankings   
    Not being obtuse or provocative at all. "Body of work" goes to Martin. They stop wrestling today, his career is over Nickal's. We can move on now.
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    bigmik got a reaction from Housebuye in Gabe Dean tops Flo 184 Rankings   
    No, even in body of work criteria, Martin wins. That was my point. The ncaas is part of the body of work. If Martin and Nickal retire today, Martin's career is better. Each have only one full varsity season of wrestling under their belts. This isn't Mcilravy getting upset by Marianetti.
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    bigmik got a reaction from boconnell in Snyder is the King at Hwt (Flo)   
    I wouldn't be shocked to see a Snyder loss either. Size makes a difference. His top opponents should use the 285 limit to their advantage. That is, try to put on as much healthy size as possible. Snyder likes low shots, that gives some of the top big guys a sliver of hope to pull an upset. If they can stop a few of those shots and make Snyder support their weight for a minute or two, the match could get interesting.
     
    Due to the weight factor, I have Cox and Retherford as the two most likely to repeat this year. I put Snyder slightly below that tier. If there were a 220 class, Snyder would be the biggest favorite imo.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Snyder is the King at Hwt (Flo)   
    I wouldn't be shocked to see a Snyder loss either. Size makes a difference. His top opponents should use the 285 limit to their advantage. That is, try to put on as much healthy size as possible. Snyder likes low shots, that gives some of the top big guys a sliver of hope to pull an upset. If they can stop a few of those shots and make Snyder support their weight for a minute or two, the match could get interesting.
     
    Due to the weight factor, I have Cox and Retherford as the two most likely to repeat this year. I put Snyder slightly below that tier. If there were a 220 class, Snyder would be the biggest favorite imo.
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    bigmik got a reaction from boconnell in Gabe Dean tops Flo 184 Rankings   
    Martin beat Nickal in the most important (or only important) match of the year. He's the defending champ and deserves a higher ranking for that fact alone. If Nickal was so much better, why did he lose the most important match of the season? Also since Martin was a true freshman last year, his earlier losses are likely not weighted as heavily as other redshirt freshman and older wrestlers. You can improve by large amounts in a short period of time at the age and experience level that Martin was at last year. His losses may be like Megaludis' losses his true freshman year. Megaludis lost to some guys early on that he may have never lost to again by he time the ncaa tournament came around.
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    bigmik reacted to rlw028 in Coach's sons - how well do they do for dad?   
    Justin Spates was the younger brother, and more decorated coming out of HS. I believe he also was at Mizzou for a short period of time, but didn't finish up on the mat. 
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    bigmik got a reaction from boconnell in WhIch number 1 will get knocked off   
    Dean would also be giving up a ton of skill. In addition to a weight disadvantage, he's also at a big skill disadvantage. This is more than one wrestler moving up a weight to take on another wrestler within his skill bracket like Brewer vs Heil. This is moving up to take on a guy in a higher skill bracket. I'd compare Dean vs Snyder to Fix bumping up to take on Dein Heil. I have nothing against Dean, I think he has a lot of potential, but I wouldn't consider him to be an elite athlete. Snyder vs Dean imo, is an elite athlete vs a future elite athlete.
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    bigmik got a reaction from Housebuye in WhIch number 1 will get knocked off   
    MSU158, Snyder has beaten some former 184 lbers very decisively. Take for instance how bad he beat Kilgore (12-3). Varner was a former two time ncaa finalist at 184 lbs. Varner beat Jake Herbert at 184, and that's where Herbert won the Hodge trophy. Cox also beat Herbert decisively. I don't see how you think Snyder would have trouble wrestling the style of the 184 lbs when he's able to beat these guys who had success at the weight class. Cox is probably considerably more athletic than anyone at 184 in the ncaas. The qualifier that Snyder's style good for "exploiting big men" (meaning 197 and heavyweights) is funny. Snyder has the style that exploits the very best in the world. You act as if beating Dean would be an unusually tough task. Dean isn't really great on top, so the match would be wrestled mostly on their feet. Essentially what you're saying is that a Dean/Snyder takedown battle can go either way. You have blind faith in Dean.
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