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    bigmik got a reaction from Fishhook in Snyder or GWiz?   
    When Kurt won his first ncaa title, he weighed in at 199 pounds!
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    bigmik got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Match of the year? (down goes Nolf)   
    Martinez looked very bad in this match imo. It appears that the first match up really weighed heavily on the conscience of Martinez and the Illini coaching staff. During the match, especially at the end of periods and stops in action, my eyes were going back and forth between Martinez and Perry. The way Perry was coaching Martinez up was very interesting to see. It wasn't what you usually see from him in the corner when Martinez is wrestling. He looked like he was coaching Martinez in such a way as to keep his spirits up and prevent him from giving in or giving up. As if Martinez was on the verge of cracking and Perry felt that his encouraging gestures were actually necessary for Martinez to keep pushing forward. This wasn't the usual clap of the hands and a quick admonishment to stay focused; it looked more like mini celebrations at each stoppage. All jokes aside, I'd liken Perry's behavior to a personal trainer who was working with a massively overweight person for the first time. One who knows that they have to be overly enthusiastic to will their client through even one set of an exercise. One who knows that they have to encourage every little "success" throughout the workout so that their client doesn't 'throw in the towel' prematurely. That's what Perry looked like to me. I don't focus on Perry too much throughout Illinois matches, but I haven't seen this before. I'm assuming Perry wouldn't have coached this way unless he truly believed that Martinez needed it throughout the match.
     
    I thought Martinez was better than this going into the season. I thought that he would take his skills to a higher level than this, but I thought wrongly I guess. For someone who's interested in competing in the 2016 Olympics, this shouldn't have been so difficult. He's being confounded by Nolf, and this is confounding me! I have nothing against young Nolf, but he isn't doing anything special. Outside of keeping pressure on his opponents, he isn't doing anything great technically, tactically, positionally, etc. There are a lot of holes in his game. I know there are some who might want to argue with that, but I'm not interested in that discussion at the moment. You can't convince me that anything we're seeing from Nolf is anywhere near great. I know better. I think what we are seeing here is the same type of 'illusion' that we're seeing with Retherford's neutral wrestling. I'm sure he looks phenomenal to some, but remember what happens everytime he wrestles Pico (who's maybe 5th or 6th on the senior ladder?). The constant hands to the face in those matches are probably a symptom of frustration more than anything else. Overly physical/ borderline illegal wrestling are often times a result of not being able to open up your opponent any other way. Look for instance at how physical matches between practice room partners end up getting and the fights that usually result at some point from it.
     
    With all that said, Nolf is young and I expect him to get much better. I hear he has a great attitude and is very coachable. I still don't count him out at ncaas. He could very well turn around this result. I'm more focused on Martinez however, he's older and should be wrestling better than this. Then again, maybe this is on the Illinois coaching staff. I'd be very interested in knowing how often they drill high quality technique.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TheOhioState in Match of the year? (down goes Nolf)   
    I think the stoppages towards the end of the match were helping Nolf as much as, if not more than, Martinez. Nolf looked very fatigued. I thought some stall calls were coming his way. I'm not sure that he even got called once, did he?
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Is there a hidden motivation for the "new" dual vs. tournament debate?   
    If we could determine that it would be best for the sport for Tom Brands to leave an established program like Iowa, and become the head coach for a struggling program like The Citadel or Appalachian State, would you strongly support the move?
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    bigmik got a reaction from TBar1977 in Is there a hidden motivation for the "new" dual vs. tournament debate?   
    Shouldn't the solution be for those smaller schools to build up their program's tradition and fan base? If they do that, they probably will sell far more tickets.
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    bigmik reacted to PANewbie in Is there a hidden motivation for the "new" dual vs. tournament debate?   
    I wonder what would be more convoluted...a combined championship proposal or the US Tax Code?  I'm betting the championship proposal.
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    bigmik got a reaction from HurricaneWrestling in Is there a hidden motivation for the "new" dual vs. tournament debate?   
    You assumed correctly HurricaneWrestling.
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    bigmik got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in More horrible coaching in PA   
    The kid isn't entitled to anything. If he can't defend the 160 spot then it really isn't his spot anyway. Wrestling in the US is really getting soft. A wrestling revival in the states is desperately needed imo.
     
    To answer your question, of course he should be able to wrestle off for the 171 pound spot. Why not?
     
    If you follow wrestling at the highest levels you would realize this is not uncommon. Back in 2008, the legend Gatsalov lost "his spot" at the trials to a younger wrestler. At the time, Gatsalov was the reigning 4 time World/Olympic Champion (winning in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007) and one of the top pound for pound wrestlers in the World. He did far more to solidify his status as "the man" than the high school kid that we're talking about. He wasn't washed up either; he continued his winning ways with his fifth world title the following year in 2009.
     
    If a living legend like Gatsalov had to wrestle off for his spot, then so should a HS kid with a 30-8 record.
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    bigmik got a reaction from TheRealOne9050 in Medved Cup (Feb 18-19 2016)   
    Remember this all started with you mistakenly trying to correct me. You were speaking in ignorance. I have no problem with you, I'm just responding to posts. 
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    bigmik got a reaction from TheRealOne9050 in John Smith couldn't throw   
    I fully understood your post. It was you who misunderstood me.
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    bigmik got a reaction from GranbyTroll in John Smith couldn't throw   
    He had a whole lot, that is correct. Still he made a very concerted effort to try to stay away from throws on his feet. What those videos don't show is his efforts to shutdown upper body situations before they even occurred. That is what he was trying to do the majority of the time. 
     
    Those little videos are interesting to look at. With that said, if you took the time, you could put together a similar collection of Jake Herbert defending all sorts of takedowns with a variety of counters. However, that doesn't honestly demonstrate that Herbert has great defense. 
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    bigmik got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Nolf vs IMar   
    If Martinez can't beat Nolf easily, then his coaches need to scrap the idea of holding Martinez's walk around weight to 157 and worrying about the Olympic trials at 65 kgs. The Illinois coaching staff is absolutely right to believe that Martinez can one day be a serious force on the world freestyle stage. Martinez is a very rare talent. However, none of this means that Martinez is ready to take on the country and world's best and win consistently today. Sure, anything could happen, but how likely is it to happen? I wonder why they are so confident in Martinez being able to win the trials already as a sophmore in 2016. Has Martinez been working out with any past or current elite wrestlers and doing exceptionally well? Or are they basing this mostly on how he's beating college kids? If they are basing this weight management program primarily on what he does in the practice room, then that is folly imo. 99.9% of these kids who wrestle at the D1 level (this includes all eras of wrestling) don't know what they are doing. They don't even truly understand what great, elite wrestling is. This even includes most "dominant" ncaa champions from most years.
     
    Right now the young Jason Nolf is winning and winning big, but his wrestling is atrocious. No disrespect intended to Nolf whatsoever, but he is all over the place. I see nothing remotely close to elite wrestling technique, elite athleticism (i.e. strength, quickness, awareness, etc.), or elite anything. He's able to wear his opponents down mostly on his pace and, from what I have seen, slightly above average athleticism. He would struggle mightily to not be taken down repeatedly by the world's elite; he would also struggle to score a meaningful take down of his own. If Martinez cannot easily pick apart Nolf today, then I believe that demonstrates that he's not ready to be focused on winning Olympic Gold right now. I've seen Martinez a few times this year, and rarely has he been forced to focus on the minutiae of wrestling technique that you need to win at the highest levels. He just blows right through his opponents. I see flaws but maybe that's because Martinez is not really being challenged. Hopefully Nolf can push him today and 'we' can see if Martinez really has the goods. I could see even from high school that he had the raw talent, but I have yet to see the masterful skill. Maybe he has it in him, maybe he doesn't. I'm interested in seeing what transpires today.
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    bigmik got a reaction from takedownartist in Nolf vs IMar   
    If Martinez can't beat Nolf easily, then his coaches need to scrap the idea of holding Martinez's walk around weight to 157 and worrying about the Olympic trials at 65 kgs. The Illinois coaching staff is absolutely right to believe that Martinez can one day be a serious force on the world freestyle stage. Martinez is a very rare talent. However, none of this means that Martinez is ready to take on the country and world's best and win consistently today. Sure, anything could happen, but how likely is it to happen? I wonder why they are so confident in Martinez being able to win the trials already as a sophmore in 2016. Has Martinez been working out with any past or current elite wrestlers and doing exceptionally well? Or are they basing this mostly on how he's beating college kids? If they are basing this weight management program primarily on what he does in the practice room, then that is folly imo. 99.9% of these kids who wrestle at the D1 level (this includes all eras of wrestling) don't know what they are doing. They don't even truly understand what great, elite wrestling is. This even includes most "dominant" ncaa champions from most years.
     
    Right now the young Jason Nolf is winning and winning big, but his wrestling is atrocious. No disrespect intended to Nolf whatsoever, but he is all over the place. I see nothing remotely close to elite wrestling technique, elite athleticism (i.e. strength, quickness, awareness, etc.), or elite anything. He's able to wear his opponents down mostly on his pace and, from what I have seen, slightly above average athleticism. He would struggle mightily to not be taken down repeatedly by the world's elite; he would also struggle to score a meaningful take down of his own. If Martinez cannot easily pick apart Nolf today, then I believe that demonstrates that he's not ready to be focused on winning Olympic Gold right now. I've seen Martinez a few times this year, and rarely has he been forced to focus on the minutiae of wrestling technique that you need to win at the highest levels. He just blows right through his opponents. I see flaws but maybe that's because Martinez is not really being challenged. Hopefully Nolf can push him today and 'we' can see if Martinez really has the goods. I could see even from high school that he had the raw talent, but I have yet to see the masterful skill. Maybe he has it in him, maybe he doesn't. I'm interested in seeing what transpires today.
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    bigmik got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Nolf vs IMar   
    My comment was made in the context of Martinez's coaches trying to simultaneously prepare him for the nation's and world's elite. In the sense of "if he can't beat this kid whose wrestling is subpar (judging by elite, world class standards) he has no business trying to prepare for the top 65 kg wrestlers of the world.
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    bigmik got a reaction from DuckFor2 in Nolf vs IMar   
    If Martinez can't beat Nolf easily, then his coaches need to scrap the idea of holding Martinez's walk around weight to 157 and worrying about the Olympic trials at 65 kgs. The Illinois coaching staff is absolutely right to believe that Martinez can one day be a serious force on the world freestyle stage. Martinez is a very rare talent. However, none of this means that Martinez is ready to take on the country and world's best and win consistently today. Sure, anything could happen, but how likely is it to happen? I wonder why they are so confident in Martinez being able to win the trials already as a sophmore in 2016. Has Martinez been working out with any past or current elite wrestlers and doing exceptionally well? Or are they basing this mostly on how he's beating college kids? If they are basing this weight management program primarily on what he does in the practice room, then that is folly imo. 99.9% of these kids who wrestle at the D1 level (this includes all eras of wrestling) don't know what they are doing. They don't even truly understand what great, elite wrestling is. This even includes most "dominant" ncaa champions from most years.
     
    Right now the young Jason Nolf is winning and winning big, but his wrestling is atrocious. No disrespect intended to Nolf whatsoever, but he is all over the place. I see nothing remotely close to elite wrestling technique, elite athleticism (i.e. strength, quickness, awareness, etc.), or elite anything. He's able to wear his opponents down mostly on his pace and, from what I have seen, slightly above average athleticism. He would struggle mightily to not be taken down repeatedly by the world's elite; he would also struggle to score a meaningful take down of his own. If Martinez cannot easily pick apart Nolf today, then I believe that demonstrates that he's not ready to be focused on winning Olympic Gold right now. I've seen Martinez a few times this year, and rarely has he been forced to focus on the minutiae of wrestling technique that you need to win at the highest levels. He just blows right through his opponents. I see flaws but maybe that's because Martinez is not really being challenged. Hopefully Nolf can push him today and 'we' can see if Martinez really has the goods. I could see even from high school that he had the raw talent, but I have yet to see the masterful skill. Maybe he has it in him, maybe he doesn't. I'm interested in seeing what transpires today.
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    bigmik got a reaction from vsnej in Allen Brown aka Stove Pipe   
    Sad news.
     
    I learned a lot between the two of my fellow old school posters Allen Brown aka "Stove Pipe" and Jay Hammond aka "The Historian".Two very humble gentleman who brought a lot to the forums. As many have already said, Allen's insights will be missed.
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    bigmik got a reaction from HurricaneWrestling in Thoughts on Taylor at 86kg   
    This is true (although Smith was two weeks into 22 and Gable was two months from 23 at both of their first world titles), but I think it misses the major point. The point isn't mere age since there's really not a significance, if any at all, between a 21 or 22 year old. The point isn't merely Smith's age, but the circumstances under which he won. Specifically, the fact that he was still a college student and wrestler and had collegiate folkstyle wrestling as his primary focus. After a 44 match season as a junior he switches to freestyle with people who exclusively trained freestyle and won the trials and the world championships. We need to remember that there were more wrestlers training freestyle at this time and that the gap between folkstyle and freestyle rules/style was larger than it was than the past by 1987. Also keep in mind due to  freshman having only 3 years of eligibility up until the early 70s, redshirts weren't as common. The ineligible freshman year served as the warm up or "redshirt year". Many simply wrestled their careers as true sophmores, true juniors, and true seniors. The USA's three champions in the 1972 Olympics (Wells, Gable, and Ben Peterson) all did not take redshirts during college. Ben Peterson won the 1972 Olympics 6 months after winning his final ncaa title! When Smith was wrestling, redshirting was much more common and he was the same age in relation to most of his opponents that Gable and other wrestlers from the 1970s were to theirs. The eras had some key differences that are worth considering.
     
    To illustrate my original point, Imagine if young wrestler Pico won the worlds two yeas from now at the age of 21. Now imagine if Virgina Tech freshman Solomon Chishko did the same two years from now at the age of 21 while still having the primary focus of winning the ncaas. Would the feats be equivalent? In terms of age yes, but Chishko's feat would still be worth pointing out, even in relation to Pico, because he won under the conditions of training primarily folkstyle and still winning worlds, while Pico would be in about his 4th or 5th straight year training freestyle exclusively. 
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