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  1. I didn't know Larry personally, but it was cool to see him attending BSU dual meets occasionally.  Super solid guy and he did a lot for Boise State wrestling.  Those were some really fun teams back in the late 90's - early 2000's with Larry Quisel, Kirk White, Cash Edwards, Ben Vombaur, Jesse Brock, Scott Jorgensen, Collin Robertson and other greats.  Boise State didn't get the flashiest most hyped up blue chip recruits, but Mike Young, Greg Randall, and Chris Owens just had some crazy magic that brought out the inner gladiator in their guys.

    I'll be thinking about the Quisel family and wishing them peace and comfort.


  2. I don't even know what to say.  I just had an email conversation with Coach Mendoza a couple days ago and we were talking about the recruits they had coming in the fall like #8 ranked Heavyweight Kevin Vough and others, and how the rebuilding of the program was really taking shape.  And then this happens ...

     

    I feel terrible for Coaches Mendoza and Orozco who uprooted themselves and their families from California and gave everything they had to BSU wrestling.  I feel terrible for the athletes who just wanted to follow their dreams to compete at the D1 college level and are having the rug pulled out from under them.  And I feel terrible for the recruits that committed to wrestle for Boise State (several in just the last week) who are now going to have to completely change their plans.  And I'm really going to miss going to dual meets and seeing some incredible wrestling.

     

    When I moved to Idaho 17 years ago, I knew that Boise State had a D1 wrestling program because I'd seen Kirk White win a national championship on tv the year before, and I thought I'd check it out.  The first home dual meet of the season was against #1 ranked Minnesota and I thought that would be pretty cool.  I really had no idea what to expect.  There were about 1200 fans packed up to the rafters of the Old Bronco Gym.  It was possibly the most exciting sporting event I've ever attended.  Even going up against the #1 team in the nation the Boise State wrestlers were fearless and gave it everything they had, and they won 4 out of 10 matches that night.  The best match was at 174 pounds with BSU's Pat Owens vs. #15 ranked Kraft.  Owens was a freshman but he'd spent 4 years in the Marines greco program and was tough.  Owens went out and thrashed Kraft from one end of the mat to the other and in the third period Owens dumped Kraft hard out of bounds.  The crowd was going nuts, and Kraft actually refused to get back up and finish the match until J Robinson literally went over and growled at him.  It was clear that Kraft feared Coach J a lot more than his opponent.  Quite a night.


  3. Zander - 

     

    I don't recall any cities, schools, or facilities, west of Oklahoma ever discussing a bid for the NCAA championship let alone going through the process of submitting a formal bid.

     

    Bids are extensive.  They are labor intensive and require many different stakeholders.  Among other things, they need approval and endorsement of the local elected officials.  The selection committee doesn't call anyone looking for bids.  It isn't something casual where a wrestling coach could simply submit a bid.  Many more cities, schools, and facilities look into submitting bids than actually submit bids.

     

    Additionally, the NCAA pays for everything, including athletes travel expenses.  Taking it west of Oklahoma, makes it very expensive because there are only ten D1 wrestling programs (Northern Colorado, Wyoming, Air Force, Oregon State, Boise State, Utah Valley, Arizona State, CSU-Bakersfield, Cal Poly, and Stanford) west of Oklahoma.  

    If the west coast wants to host (which would be great!) they need to submit a bid and have the costs for the facility, hotels, and everything else come in way under the other facilities because they are not going to be competitive when the NCAA forecasts travel reimbursements for the teams at the championships.

     

    I get the feeling that the city of St Louis really likes having the event and is very aggressive with their bid.  It isn't just that they are a good location.

     

     

    Good post Pinnum - and you are of course right :-)  It's frustrating, but you're right.


  4. This is where I've 

     

     

    As pointed out in this and other threads, the NCAA doesn't "throw a bone" to anyone who isn't actively bidding to get these events. Getting people behind a bid with the CVB's in those Western cities is the first step. They won't just plop this money-maker into the hands of cities that didn't ask for it. 

     

    I'd love to see it in Phoenix (and when the NCAA relaxes the Vegas ban, perhaps there), or Portland or Seattle, or San Francisco ... Denver's floorspace for the mats is too tight (tighter than Des Moines, IIRC)

     

    Hey Jason,
     
    I appreciate your comment and I understand exactly what you're saying and think you're right.  But just to be clear, the purpose of my post was to make a couple points somewhat tongue-in-cheek:
     
    1.)  Oklahoma is smack in the middle of the lower 48 states, and in 40 years the tournament has been hosted only once to the west of it.  That single occasion was 37 years ago at Oregon State in 1980.  I'm not privy to NCAA site-selection details, but I find it hard to believe that in the last 37 years there have been zero cities west of Oklahoma to make a qualified bid.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems unlikely.
     
    2.)  Since 1980, the NCAA tournament has been held in Oklahoma City 6 times, the state of Iowa 9 times, and St. Louis 7 times for a total of 22 tournaments.  I have no problem with that - these areas are centrally located and are wrestling hotbeds with great fanbases that deserve to host the tournament a majority of the time.  All I'm saying is, maybe just 1 out of every 22 years the NCAA selection committee could consider doing some outreach to a city in the western 1/2 of the United States to host the tournament.  I'm pretty sure a phone call from the selection committee like "Hey Zeke - do you think ASU and the city of Tempe would be interested in hosting a very lucrative and prestigious event like the NCAA championships sometime in the next 22 years?", is about all it would take.
     
     
    I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but a lot of World & Olympic hardware in the last few years has come from athletes hailing from the forgotten 50% of America (6 of the last 10 Freestyle Gold medalists).  Contrary to popular belief ... there is wrestling out here.
     
     
    Anyway - sorry about that.  I just needed to get it off my chest :-)

  5. Over the last 40 years, the NCAA tournament has been hosted west of Oklahoma exactly 1 time.  Now I'm not saying that it should be in the west every 10 years or even every 15 years ... but it doesn't seem like too much to ask to throw a bone to the west once every 20 years or so.  We like wrestling too and Phoenix/Tempe is pretty good this time of year.


  6. I can't disagree about OSU being considered the favorite right now.

     

    But this topic reminded me about the 2001 NCAA Championships held in Iowa where Minnesota won the team championship with 0 finalists but they had 10 AAs.  I think Iowa was probably the favorite going into the tournament and in addition had the home-mat advantage.  Iowa had 3 finalists with 2 champions and yet were still 13 team points away from even being in a tie with Minnesota :-)


  7. Any updates on this front?  I've been perusing message boards and the BSU Facebook and Twitter pages and haven't seen any news about new assistants.  In Coach Mendoza's interview with JB, he mentioned that he was hoping to get Hochstrasser ... but I haven't seen any confirmation.

     

    Headbanger & UphillBronco - you guys seem to have some extra insights as to what's going on with the team.  Any news?


  8. zander, he's done a lot with, quite literally, nothing. You do realize that the CSU Bakersfield athletic department provides absolutely no funding whatsoever for the program, requiring it to be entirely self-funded, right?

     

    SHP - Yes, I do realize that CSUB is self-funded, which is a big reason why I think Coach Mendoza is a great hire (in addition to the reasons that wrestlingnerd and JB mentioned).  Did you misunderstand my post?


  9. Actually, Mendoza is not a bad coach at all. He is not a name brand guy, but he has done some impressive work with very little. If he is smart, he'll use this job upgrade to hire a superstar assistant, which he did not have the luxury of doing at CSUB.

     

    The Broncos could have done a lot worse. Mendoza is a very capable administrator. He does need a young gun to help with recruiting and coaching modern technique. But that's a role he can hire for and there is no shortage of top young talent to consider.

     

    Nerd - good comment.  I have to confess that at first I was hoping for a name-brand guy as well, but I've really warmed up to the Mendoza hire.  Like you said, he's done a lot with very little, and that's what Boise State used to do.  With some good assistants and his connections to California, I see Boise State only getting better.  Good hire - welcome to Boise coach!


  10. Is Cherrington an upgrade? 

     

    Yes and no.  My feeling is that Randall and Owens had an amazing run from the mid-90's through 2012.  I don't know what in the world happened after 2012, but something in the room definitely changed and the team as a whole just completely lost its blue-collar butt-kicking attitude.

     

    So I see Cherrington or Mendoza as an upgrade in a few ways:

     

    1.) It's time for a change and a re-energizing of the team

    2.) Randall and Owens were notoriously awful at engaging the fan base.  It will be good to have young coaches that are hungry, that interact with the fans and will hit the interstates to bring in recruits.

    3.) Having younger coaches that embrace social media and know how youth today want to communicate will be very helpful with recruiting

     

     

    The flip-side is that there are very few coaches that have been able to develop non-BlueChip talent on a shoestring budget the way that Randall and Owens have.  Quite frankly, they've worked some miracles in coaching 2 National Champions (Kirk White was only a 1X State Champ in Washington), multiple finalists, and numerous AA honors.  I don't see a new coaching staff matching that kind of success (but I would love to be proven wrong).

     

    But I do see a new coaching staff getting the team to believe in itself again and developing recruits better than what we've seen the last 4-5 years.  Cherrington is one of the National Champions that came out of the Randall/Owens program.  He knows what it takes to win and I think can bring back the mentality that Boise State used to have.


  11. Maybe Boise State wrestling will be less of a snoozefest now.  Their style of keeping matches low scoring by controlling ties always frustrated me as a wrestling fan.  As a coach, I do understand the strategy of giving yourself a chance against a superior opponent by slowing them down.  But, I really hate that.  The Oregon State/Boise State duals were the least enjoyable to me despite the obvious rivalry. 

     

    That being said, Randall was able to develop some solid competitors over the years.  Their willingness to work around LDS (Mormon) missions was key for a lot of their success.  The new coach will need to be just as open to this. 

     

    Full disclosure:  I am an Oregon State alum and have no love for the Donkeys.  So, feel free to ignore everything you read in my post.   

     

     

    Whoa now - be careful throwing around derogatory nicknames for other schools' mascots ... especially when your school is Oregon St.

     

    But I have to agree with your 'snoozefest' diagnosis.  With the notable exception of Geo Martinez, for the last few seasons it seems like most of the guys wrestle not to lose rather than wrestling to win.  The overwhelming number of losses by a score of 3-2 gets depressing.  It's been frustrating and I'd really like to see a change in attitude and offense.

     

    Go BRONCOS!


  12. Overall, I can't say enough good things about Greg Randall and Chris Owens.  They showed up in Boise in the mid 90's as young pitbull assistant coaches and took a lot of guys that were not blue chip recruits but were definitely blue-collar recruits and turned them into AA's, finalists, and a couple national champs.  But the last few seasons, something has changed in the program and the team has simply lost its butt-kicking attitude.  I'm sad to see Randall and Owens leave, but they leave having accomplished a ton of great things in Boise.

     

    As far as a fresh start goes, I really hope that the AD looks outside the Pac-12 and alumni big-names and looks to bring in someone from the top schools in the B1G/B12/east coast.  Boise State wrestling does not have a large budget, but I believe it does have 9.9 scholarships and BSU is generous with academic non-resident tuition scholarships making it an attractive and affordable place to be a student-athlete.  The right coach could bring in some great recruits.


  13. Its not going to get any better at BSU as the head coach in his infinite wisdom let Coach Owens go. IMHO, Chris is the reason for what success the Broncos have had in the past. SMH.

     

    Say what now ?!?

     

    I had not heard that news.  Yikes, I was kinda wondering if BSU would let Randall go and make Owens the head coach.  I like both Randall and Owens, and when they were young pitbulls they turned Boise State into a very successful program with 2 National Champs, multiple finalists, and numerous All-Americans ... all on a tight budget and with kids that were not considered blue-chip recruits for the most part.

     

    But they're both old now, and I've felt for a while now that with Boise State's small wrestling budget, they really can't afford to have 2 old coaches that can't get on the mat and really push the team.  I think it will be great to have 2 young coaches that can get in the room and beat the crap out of the guys to make them better.  But I hate that someone like Chris Owens who has devoted his life to coaching young wrestlers at BSU and kids in local youth programs in this area, and is raising his family here has to lose his job.  That stinks.


  14. I found the whole sordid event pretty disgusting.  One coach dancing around and crowing like an idiot after telling his perfectly-healthy wrestler to play dead, and the other coach trying to start a fight multiple times.

     

    But what I found very surprising was the reaction of the CV parents and wrestlers that were celebrating winning in such a pathetic manner.  Yikes - who's really going to give a crap 2 years from now who won a district tournament?  But, people will have long memories as to how nasty individuals behaved in this instance.  Was it worth it?


  15. That's great news - here's a link to the story:

     

    http://www.eousports.com/news/2016/1/11/GEN_0111163924.aspx?path=general

     

     

    La Grande Oregon is a pretty isolated place with the nearest towns being about 1 hour in either direction along I-84.  But there are some very tough high-school wrestling programs in the eastern Oregon and western Idaho  geographic areas and it will be awesome for wrestlers, both boys and girls, in those small towns to have an opportunity to get a college education and compete at the collegiate level.

     

    I'm very interested to see who they hire as coaches!

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