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    zander got a reaction from rstrong in Boise State to drop wrestling   
    I don't even know what to say.  I just had an email conversation with Coach Mendoza a couple days ago and we were talking about the recruits they had coming in the fall like #8 ranked Heavyweight Kevin Vough and others, and how the rebuilding of the program was really taking shape.  And then this happens ...
     
    I feel terrible for Coaches Mendoza and Orozco who uprooted themselves and their families from California and gave everything they had to BSU wrestling.  I feel terrible for the athletes who just wanted to follow their dreams to compete at the D1 college level and are having the rug pulled out from under them.  And I feel terrible for the recruits that committed to wrestle for Boise State (several in just the last week) who are now going to have to completely change their plans.  And I'm really going to miss going to dual meets and seeing some incredible wrestling.
     
    When I moved to Idaho 17 years ago, I knew that Boise State had a D1 wrestling program because I'd seen Kirk White win a national championship on tv the year before, and I thought I'd check it out.  The first home dual meet of the season was against #1 ranked Minnesota and I thought that would be pretty cool.  I really had no idea what to expect.  There were about 1200 fans packed up to the rafters of the Old Bronco Gym.  It was possibly the most exciting sporting event I've ever attended.  Even going up against the #1 team in the nation the Boise State wrestlers were fearless and gave it everything they had, and they won 4 out of 10 matches that night.  The best match was at 174 pounds with BSU's Pat Owens vs. #15 ranked Kraft.  Owens was a freshman but he'd spent 4 years in the Marines greco program and was tough.  Owens went out and thrashed Kraft from one end of the mat to the other and in the third period Owens dumped Kraft hard out of bounds.  The crowd was going nuts, and Kraft actually refused to get back up and finish the match until J Robinson literally went over and growled at him.  It was clear that Kraft feared Coach J a lot more than his opponent.  Quite a night.
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    zander got a reaction from NYWRESTLER94 in Boise State to drop wrestling   
    I don't even know what to say.  I just had an email conversation with Coach Mendoza a couple days ago and we were talking about the recruits they had coming in the fall like #8 ranked Heavyweight Kevin Vough and others, and how the rebuilding of the program was really taking shape.  And then this happens ...
     
    I feel terrible for Coaches Mendoza and Orozco who uprooted themselves and their families from California and gave everything they had to BSU wrestling.  I feel terrible for the athletes who just wanted to follow their dreams to compete at the D1 college level and are having the rug pulled out from under them.  And I feel terrible for the recruits that committed to wrestle for Boise State (several in just the last week) who are now going to have to completely change their plans.  And I'm really going to miss going to dual meets and seeing some incredible wrestling.
     
    When I moved to Idaho 17 years ago, I knew that Boise State had a D1 wrestling program because I'd seen Kirk White win a national championship on tv the year before, and I thought I'd check it out.  The first home dual meet of the season was against #1 ranked Minnesota and I thought that would be pretty cool.  I really had no idea what to expect.  There were about 1200 fans packed up to the rafters of the Old Bronco Gym.  It was possibly the most exciting sporting event I've ever attended.  Even going up against the #1 team in the nation the Boise State wrestlers were fearless and gave it everything they had, and they won 4 out of 10 matches that night.  The best match was at 174 pounds with BSU's Pat Owens vs. #15 ranked Kraft.  Owens was a freshman but he'd spent 4 years in the Marines greco program and was tough.  Owens went out and thrashed Kraft from one end of the mat to the other and in the third period Owens dumped Kraft hard out of bounds.  The crowd was going nuts, and Kraft actually refused to get back up and finish the match until J Robinson literally went over and growled at him.  It was clear that Kraft feared Coach J a lot more than his opponent.  Quite a night.
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    zander got a reaction from silver-medal in Boise State to drop wrestling   
    I don't even know what to say.  I just had an email conversation with Coach Mendoza a couple days ago and we were talking about the recruits they had coming in the fall like #8 ranked Heavyweight Kevin Vough and others, and how the rebuilding of the program was really taking shape.  And then this happens ...
     
    I feel terrible for Coaches Mendoza and Orozco who uprooted themselves and their families from California and gave everything they had to BSU wrestling.  I feel terrible for the athletes who just wanted to follow their dreams to compete at the D1 college level and are having the rug pulled out from under them.  And I feel terrible for the recruits that committed to wrestle for Boise State (several in just the last week) who are now going to have to completely change their plans.  And I'm really going to miss going to dual meets and seeing some incredible wrestling.
     
    When I moved to Idaho 17 years ago, I knew that Boise State had a D1 wrestling program because I'd seen Kirk White win a national championship on tv the year before, and I thought I'd check it out.  The first home dual meet of the season was against #1 ranked Minnesota and I thought that would be pretty cool.  I really had no idea what to expect.  There were about 1200 fans packed up to the rafters of the Old Bronco Gym.  It was possibly the most exciting sporting event I've ever attended.  Even going up against the #1 team in the nation the Boise State wrestlers were fearless and gave it everything they had, and they won 4 out of 10 matches that night.  The best match was at 174 pounds with BSU's Pat Owens vs. #15 ranked Kraft.  Owens was a freshman but he'd spent 4 years in the Marines greco program and was tough.  Owens went out and thrashed Kraft from one end of the mat to the other and in the third period Owens dumped Kraft hard out of bounds.  The crowd was going nuts, and Kraft actually refused to get back up and finish the match until J Robinson literally went over and growled at him.  It was clear that Kraft feared Coach J a lot more than his opponent.  Quite a night.
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    zander got a reaction from Pinnum in 2019-2022 Championship Sites   
    Good post Pinnum - and you are of course right :-)  It's frustrating, but you're right.
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    zander got a reaction from Frank_Rizzo in 2019-2022 Championship Sites   
    Over the last 40 years, the NCAA tournament has been hosted west of Oklahoma exactly 1 time.  Now I'm not saying that it should be in the west every 10 years or even every 15 years ... but it doesn't seem like too much to ask to throw a bone to the west once every 20 years or so.  We like wrestling too and Phoenix/Tempe is pretty good this time of year.
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    zander reacted to Wire in Boise State Coach.....any word?   
    A long time ago .... The UW in Seattle was a top 3-5 team. Poof .... and they were gone. Thanks to Title 9.
     
      However .... Washington, Oregon, Northern Ca., Idaho, Montana still produce those guys that could compete, and compete well if only there were those "lost" opportunities still alive, for our West Coast guys.
     
     
    Evidently .. there are still AD's and Administration that support West Coast wrestling. I suggest we rise up and support those teams, and not degrade them, just because you may or may not like the new coach. It's a done deal. If ... more of us attend the matches, it's more $$ in their pockets.
     
    I drive 5 plus hours to see a D1 match.... 
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    zander reacted to uphillBronco in Boise State Coach.....any word?   
    Fundraising is and will continue to be a huge issue. The myth of BSU being fully funded or even competitively funded is just that, a myth. There are a few individuals that can and will help but I believe they need to get together to find the best way to utilize fundraising and resources. Maybe Mendoza is just the guy to pull all this together. My connections with the program have been on the mark so far with who applied, who it got narrowed down to and who was hired. At first I was very disappointed but you know, the more I look at the way it's turned out the more encouraged I am that maybe this is going to be a good thing. Mendoza needs money for competitive travel, assistant coaches, and recruiting budget. Don't be surprised if you see Hochstrasser and Meeks as his assistants and I can only hope the money comes in some way to hire Jason Chamberlain before he gets snatched up. I'm liking his connections to Californina kids because there are a lot of them and he's been very successful at kicking our butt with almost no resources. Meeks will have the Washington connection, Hoch the Utah connection and the idaho kids will come IF the program offers them a chance to be successful just like in the past. I can't speak for all the alumns but I can say that there are more than a few of us that are pretty pissed that the program is where it's at. Not happy with Randall and not happy with the athletic administration. Mendoza is not the bad guy now, he's been through worse times than this and has come out pretty successful. I for one will do what I can to help and I'm not alone. Lastly? I'm done bemoaning the guys that applied and didn't get it and the guys that applied and withdrew.
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    zander reacted to wrestlingnerd in Boise State Coach.....any word?   
    dabrockster, if you are seriously debating the strength of Idaho HS wrestling relative to California, you have lost all credibility. Are you friggin' serious? CA is one of the handful (as in five or less) of HS wrestling hotbeds in this country and Idaho might be in the bottom handful (truly no offense intended). Even just small regions of CA produce AAs every year, let alone the whole state. Some of the best wrestlers ever are from CA: Schultz brothers, Varner, Abas brothers, etc. CA is such a fixture in the elite wresting scene that it's fair to say the state produces world-class talent as frequently as any other state with the possible exception of PA, and even that is debatable.
     
    If I were a D1 coach and I could focus on recruiting only one state, it might actually be CA because there is less local competition than in PA, OH, NJ, NY, etc.
     
    If all Mendoza does is recruit just OK from CA, he will have paid for his salary many times over in terms of added value to BSU.
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    zander got a reaction from uphillBronco in Boise State Coach.....any word?   
    Nerd - good comment.  I have to confess that at first I was hoping for a name-brand guy as well, but I've really warmed up to the Mendoza hire.  Like you said, he's done a lot with very little, and that's what Boise State used to do.  With some good assistants and his connections to California, I see Boise State only getting better.  Good hire - welcome to Boise coach!
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    zander got a reaction from Coach_J in Boise State Coach.....any word?   
    Yes and no.  My feeling is that Randall and Owens had an amazing run from the mid-90's through 2012.  I don't know what in the world happened after 2012, but something in the room definitely changed and the team as a whole just completely lost its blue-collar butt-kicking attitude.
     
    So I see Cherrington or Mendoza as an upgrade in a few ways:
     
    1.) It's time for a change and a re-energizing of the team
    2.) Randall and Owens were notoriously awful at engaging the fan base.  It will be good to have young coaches that are hungry, that interact with the fans and will hit the interstates to bring in recruits.
    3.) Having younger coaches that embrace social media and know how youth today want to communicate will be very helpful with recruiting
     
     
    The flip-side is that there are very few coaches that have been able to develop non-BlueChip talent on a shoestring budget the way that Randall and Owens have.  Quite frankly, they've worked some miracles in coaching 2 National Champions (Kirk White was only a 1X State Champ in Washington), multiple finalists, and numerous AA honors.  I don't see a new coaching staff matching that kind of success (but I would love to be proven wrong).
     
    But I do see a new coaching staff getting the team to believe in itself again and developing recruits better than what we've seen the last 4-5 years.  Cherrington is one of the National Champions that came out of the Randall/Owens program.  He knows what it takes to win and I think can bring back the mentality that Boise State used to have.
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    zander got a reaction from xander in Boise State Coach.....any word?   
    Yes and no.  My feeling is that Randall and Owens had an amazing run from the mid-90's through 2012.  I don't know what in the world happened after 2012, but something in the room definitely changed and the team as a whole just completely lost its blue-collar butt-kicking attitude.
     
    So I see Cherrington or Mendoza as an upgrade in a few ways:
     
    1.) It's time for a change and a re-energizing of the team
    2.) Randall and Owens were notoriously awful at engaging the fan base.  It will be good to have young coaches that are hungry, that interact with the fans and will hit the interstates to bring in recruits.
    3.) Having younger coaches that embrace social media and know how youth today want to communicate will be very helpful with recruiting
     
     
    The flip-side is that there are very few coaches that have been able to develop non-BlueChip talent on a shoestring budget the way that Randall and Owens have.  Quite frankly, they've worked some miracles in coaching 2 National Champions (Kirk White was only a 1X State Champ in Washington), multiple finalists, and numerous AA honors.  I don't see a new coaching staff matching that kind of success (but I would love to be proven wrong).
     
    But I do see a new coaching staff getting the team to believe in itself again and developing recruits better than what we've seen the last 4-5 years.  Cherrington is one of the National Champions that came out of the Randall/Owens program.  He knows what it takes to win and I think can bring back the mentality that Boise State used to have.
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    zander got a reaction from TheOhioState in Boise State gets new start   
    Overall, I can't say enough good things about Greg Randall and Chris Owens.  They showed up in Boise in the mid 90's as young pitbull assistant coaches and took a lot of guys that were not blue chip recruits but were definitely blue-collar recruits and turned them into AA's, finalists, and a couple national champs.  But the last few seasons, something has changed in the program and the team has simply lost its butt-kicking attitude.  I'm sad to see Randall and Owens leave, but they leave having accomplished a ton of great things in Boise.
     
    As far as a fresh start goes, I really hope that the AD looks outside the Pac-12 and alumni big-names and looks to bring in someone from the top schools in the B1G/B12/east coast.  Boise State wrestling does not have a large budget, but I believe it does have 9.9 scholarships and BSU is generous with academic non-resident tuition scholarships making it an attractive and affordable place to be a student-athlete.  The right coach could bring in some great recruits.
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    zander got a reaction from Tofurky in Boise State gets new start   
    Overall, I can't say enough good things about Greg Randall and Chris Owens.  They showed up in Boise in the mid 90's as young pitbull assistant coaches and took a lot of guys that were not blue chip recruits but were definitely blue-collar recruits and turned them into AA's, finalists, and a couple national champs.  But the last few seasons, something has changed in the program and the team has simply lost its butt-kicking attitude.  I'm sad to see Randall and Owens leave, but they leave having accomplished a ton of great things in Boise.
     
    As far as a fresh start goes, I really hope that the AD looks outside the Pac-12 and alumni big-names and looks to bring in someone from the top schools in the B1G/B12/east coast.  Boise State wrestling does not have a large budget, but I believe it does have 9.9 scholarships and BSU is generous with academic non-resident tuition scholarships making it an attractive and affordable place to be a student-athlete.  The right coach could bring in some great recruits.
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    zander got a reaction from JasonBryant in Catch me up, please...   
    Ok - Let me explain.
     
    No, there is too much. Let me sum up. Buttercup is to marry Humperdinck in little less than half an hour. So all we have to do is get in, break up the wedding, steal the princess, make our escape ...
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    zander got a reaction from gutfirst in Catch me up, please...   
    Ok - Let me explain.
     
    No, there is too much. Let me sum up. Buttercup is to marry Humperdinck in little less than half an hour. So all we have to do is get in, break up the wedding, steal the princess, make our escape ...
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    zander got a reaction from VakAttack in Catch me up, please...   
    Ok - Let me explain.
     
    No, there is too much. Let me sum up. Buttercup is to marry Humperdinck in little less than half an hour. So all we have to do is get in, break up the wedding, steal the princess, make our escape ...
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