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Everything posted by BadgerMon

  1. Is Stoll still injured from that gunshot? He sure didn't do much.
  2. Garrett DePies of Random Lake, WI was the injured wrestler. I was there too....bum deal for sure...the ref may have had his hands tied per the third injury timeout rule. But....he could have rolled over and bridged and still won the match. I believe the other wrestler was Todd Christensen of St. Croix Falls? 1991 maybe.
  3. Lee Kemp was a student of the game...he spent years breaking down technique and would have adjusted nicely to today's game. He also had one heckuva bow and arrow to go along with his snatch single. To be fair, I think that Carr and Nolf or Monday and Nolf or Krieger/Heffernan and Nolf would have been great matches, or McIlravy/Nolf. Lee Kemp was pretty big at 158. We had 5 hour weigh-ins back then, or whatever the coaches agreed upon. But make no mistake, this Nolf is a hammer!
  4. I'll put that heavyweight who danced on the edge with a foot out of bounds in the national finals a few years ago from Lehigh in the mix with Nelson. Can't believe the referee let him do that.
  5. Fred McGaver was an AA heavyweight for Marquette back in 1979...he couldn't be taller than 5'9".
  6. Gotta respectfully disagree with ya Tobus. While I agree that his offensive line and schemes are unparalleled in the NFL, there's no denying that the guy isn't freaking clutch. This coming from a Packer fan. Brady IS the GOAT- his high skill level and leadership have been incredible. Jim Brown was bigger than the linebackers that he ran over, and other RBs were pretty great too- for instance Dickerson hit 10,000 yards 7 games faster than Brown. Hard to dispute Brown's superiority as an athlete, though I would rank Bo Jackson number one in the talent arena. Brown's dominance on the lacrosse field doesn't carry the same weight as Bo's MLB greatness.
  7. For that matter, forehead stumping isn't cool, either
  8. Found this... Randy Lewis on Dave Schultz « on: February 01, 2014, 03:21:00 AM » I pulled Randy's post from the mat... With the Dave Schultz tournament going on this weekend, and my good friend Royce Alger telling his story about his first workout with Dave Schultz on Facebook, I thought it would be appropriate to tell my story of my first and ONLY workout with the great Dave Schultz. Dave was a great friend of mine, and we were teammates many times and were at training camps together many times, but I only got on the mat with him one time, for a total of just one minute. I would often roll around with bigger wrestlers in practice, but I was always afraid to wrestle Dave Schultz. Dave was the nicest guy in the world off the mat, but I knew that on the mat he was a different animal. I had seen enough of Dave Schultz in matches and in practice to know that on the mat he was as Stephen A Smith would say “A BAD MAN!!!” I always felt like if I were to wrestle him, I would be unable to protect myself. It turns out I was correct!!! I remember one time at the 1984 Olympic training camp and Dave didn’t have a partner and he asked me if I wanted to roll around a little. I said “Dave, I am not ever going to wrestle with you until I am retired! I don’t want to get hurt!” One year later, I had temporarily retired, and I was at a world team practice and guys were switching partners, and Dave said to me “Lewboo, now that you are retired you want to roll with me?” I said “Not really but I will for a little bit.” Just as I got paired up with Dave, coach Jim Humphries, who was running the practice announced, “1 minute periods, par terre, world team member on top!” I thought, really, one minute underneath Dave Schultz, that doesn’t sound very fun! Well, it took about 15 seconds for Dave to get my right foot placed up over my left ear, bending my body in a very painful way! My knee, my hip, my back, my neck, and my shoulder were all being wrenched at the same time! Pain was shooting through my entire body, and I was trying to roll over onto my back as fast as I could! Unfortunately for me I couldn’t move! Somehow, my neck and head got twisted so that my mouth and nose were stuck in the mat, and I couldn’t breathe. Not only was my body in severe pain, but now I was also suffocating, and I couldn’t reach Dave with either of my hands to tap out. My body somehow got stuck in a position where I couldn’t roll over, and Dave kept cranking harder and harder to try and turn me. I was stuck in this position for about 45 seconds, in severe pain and suffocating, unable to turn over and just as I started to black out, coach Humphries saved my LIFE by blowing the whistle. Dave let me go, and I rolled over onto my back, sobbing uncontrollably, and hyperventilating trying to catch my breath. Dave looked at me and said, wow, I can’t believe you didn’t turn over, I was really cranking hard. I said I was trying as hard as I could to turn over, but I couldn’t. I cried like a baby for about 5 minutes straight after that, and I never wrestled with Dave Schultz again. I have told this story to many other wrestlers when they ask me about Dave, and I follow it up by saying yeah, Dave was pretty good on top, but he couldn’t turn me! Writing this brings tears to my eyes and I and the wrestling world miss Dave so much, he was such a great person and such a great wrestler.
  9. Great work ethic, great drop-step and reflexes, loves to tackle... excellent traits for an inside linebacker.
  10. Were I an NFL GM, I might tender an offer to Kyle Snyder as a free agent to try out for inside linebacker.
  11. 118 Joe Gonzalez, Sammie Henson 126 John Azevedo 134 TJ Jaworski, Cary Kolat 142 Brent Metcalf, Harlan Kistler ( just missed AA'ing at a third different D-1 program) 150 Jason Tsirtis 158 Dave Schultz, Andrew Howe, Bob Holland 167 Mark Schultz, 177 Chuck Jean, Willie Miklus 190 JJ McGrew Hwt Steve Mocco JUCO Transfers....yeah I get your point! Fill in the blanks as you wish
  12. A better question is....how does he do against Nash Hutmacher?
  13. Seriously? Disadvantage to operate with an eye-poke or neck-jam. Getting jammed in the face discourages leg shots and slows the game down. Not to mention the potential for chronic injuries.
  14. You seem to forget how freakin' tired you get in a 7 + minute match, with some gorilla on your back pounding you down to the earth if he can, and you can't candy-@$$ it underneath ( I'm talking NCAA points could be more, just saying)
  15. Ok, I get the Iowa teams over the Poke teams comment....but wrestling hasn't changed that much since the late 70s. ....so many nowadays have copied the John Smith low-ankle shot...and he was a mid-80s guy. While technique has adopted more of a defensive style, wrestlers are still the same gritty kids they've always been. Difference is, that refs were encouraged to DQ people for stalling. And they did...see NCAA D-1 championships 1978 and 1979 @ 142 and 177 lbs, respectively. So now you see a lot of 1-1 and going into OT...ridiculous. Singles, doubles, a little upper body, inside trips, fireman's carries, sweep singles, low ankle shots ( Bill Nugent, Steve Babyak were a couple of toughies who shot them besides John Smith- it just wasn't mainstream yet), high crotches, Russian arm ties....all of those were in force back in the day. We rode with near wrist rides, legs in, near arm chop, cradles, claws ( Jude Skove, for one), deep waists with halfs. We threw bear hugs, headlocks, metzgers, foot sweeps, front headlocks, gator roll/cement mixers, lace legs . We escaped or reversed with stand-ups, inside and outside rolls, short and long sit-outs, switches, hip heists and mouse-traps. There were animals back then you haven't heard of that would feed some of the stars of today mat. Do you really think that Jordan Burroughs or Kyle Dake would get the best of Wade Schalles, Lee Kemp, Dave Schultz, Jarrett Hubbard, Mark Churella or Kenny Monday? I would think it could/would be a horse apiece, freestyle or folk, as with most of these other comparisons. Tony Ramos over John Azevedo/Barry Davis/Dan Cuestas/Zeke Jones? David Taylor/Gabe Dean/Bo Nickal dominant over a Kevin Jackson,Chris Campbell, Mike Sheets or Wayne Wells? Depends who shows up that day. Logan Stieber/Dean Heil/ laying waste over John Smith/Randy Lewis/Darryl Burley/Mike Frick? I think not. Imart/Retherford/ over Metzger, Hicks, Gable? Again, depends who shows up that day,but kind of like the older guys here. NolfDieringer over Bruce Kinseth/Chuck Yagla/Tim Krieger/Jim Heffernan/Nate Carr consistently? Think about it. J'Den Cox over Ben Peterson/Eric Wais/Ed Banach/Mark Schultz/Jim Scherr? Kyle Snyder beating Lou Banach/Russ Hellickson/Bill Scherr/Larry Bielenberg every time? Doubtful. Certainly he would be in the fights of his life. I could go on and on...but this is all conjecture. Obsolete? Not sure that term applies here.
  16. Yup, and he got ripped off not only at the end of the match by not getting those last two awarded, but also in the back alley. Shame. Should have wrestled Sergei Beloglazov for the world title. Robbery. That being said, Schterev's throw at 2:00 was one for the ages...kept his calm, missed twice, re-grouped and changed his hold and took a serious chance on breaking his neck. Trying to take Lewis down conventionally was a waste of time...one could not take a breath to re-group once the shot was taken.
  17. Beloglazov was about 31 when this match took place...extremely old for a lightweight champion. That chest-wrench was other-worldly and now we see where David Taylor got his trap arm tilt.
  18. The doc is going to pull the trigger on his prognosis for the season in short order.
  19. I gotta go with Duane Kleven. UW non-starter ( no one seems to know his stats), but : Upon completing his college education, Kleven coached at Wisconsin High for one year and had a State Champion in Elmer Beale. 1962 through 1967 Kleven coached a U.S. Army team in Korea. In 1964 Duane became the Head Wrestling Coach at Racine Park and during this tenure there, Park won the State Championship in 1967 and 1969. He also had four individual State Champions while at Racine. From 1967 to 1968 Kleven served as Vice President of the Wisconsin Wrestling Coaches Association. During the summer of 1969 Duane Kleven became the Head Wrestling Coach at Oshkosh State. One year later he was chose to become the 2nd Head Wrestling Coach in the history of the sport at the University of Wisconsin. In four years he coached Rick Lawinger to an individual National Championship, the first in wrestling at the University. Since that time he has coached seven National Champions, the highlight being in 1976 when 3 Wisconsin Wrestlers earned the honor at the same time. One year later Kleven was named N.C.A.A. Coach of the Year. In 16 years of coaching, Kleven's teams have won 150 matches, lost 50 and tied 7. They reached up to 4th at the NCAAs a couple of times in his time. Not too bad, I would say. He was my coach for his last 3 years at UW....hope I didn't have a hand in scaring him off!
  20. Better facilities? Goodness, Moran doesn't get out much, does he?
  21. I can tell you that Hellickson was a freak about conditioning too, Tobus, but to tell you the truth I rarely felt "recovered" and fresh for a match. Possibly poor weight cutting on my part, but dead legs are anchors out there. But we competed hard. Gable's boys BELIEVED in their conditioning and their coaches. They also kept great position and hustled. Okie State had some great wrestlers back then too...and usually took a dual from the Hawks.
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