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Everything posted by BadgerMon

  1. A better question is....how does he do against Nash Hutmacher?
  2. Seriously? Disadvantage to operate with an eye-poke or neck-jam. Getting jammed in the face discourages leg shots and slows the game down. Not to mention the potential for chronic injuries.
  3. You seem to forget how freakin' tired you get in a 7 + minute match, with some gorilla on your back pounding you down to the earth if he can, and you can't candy-@$$ it underneath ( I'm talking NCAA points could be more, just saying)
  4. Ok, I get the Iowa teams over the Poke teams comment....but wrestling hasn't changed that much since the late 70s. ....so many nowadays have copied the John Smith low-ankle shot...and he was a mid-80s guy. While technique has adopted more of a defensive style, wrestlers are still the same gritty kids they've always been. Difference is, that refs were encouraged to DQ people for stalling. And they did...see NCAA D-1 championships 1978 and 1979 @ 142 and 177 lbs, respectively. So now you see a lot of 1-1 and going into OT...ridiculous. Singles, doubles, a little upper body, inside trips, fireman's carries, sweep singles, low ankle shots ( Bill Nugent, Steve Babyak were a couple of toughies who shot them besides John Smith- it just wasn't mainstream yet), high crotches, Russian arm ties....all of those were in force back in the day. We rode with near wrist rides, legs in, near arm chop, cradles, claws ( Jude Skove, for one), deep waists with halfs. We threw bear hugs, headlocks, metzgers, foot sweeps, front headlocks, gator roll/cement mixers, lace legs . We escaped or reversed with stand-ups, inside and outside rolls, short and long sit-outs, switches, hip heists and mouse-traps. There were animals back then you haven't heard of that would feed some of the stars of today mat. Do you really think that Jordan Burroughs or Kyle Dake would get the best of Wade Schalles, Lee Kemp, Dave Schultz, Jarrett Hubbard, Mark Churella or Kenny Monday? I would think it could/would be a horse apiece, freestyle or folk, as with most of these other comparisons. Tony Ramos over John Azevedo/Barry Davis/Dan Cuestas/Zeke Jones? David Taylor/Gabe Dean/Bo Nickal dominant over a Kevin Jackson,Chris Campbell, Mike Sheets or Wayne Wells? Depends who shows up that day. Logan Stieber/Dean Heil/ laying waste over John Smith/Randy Lewis/Darryl Burley/Mike Frick? I think not. Imart/Retherford/ over Metzger, Hicks, Gable? Again, depends who shows up that day,but kind of like the older guys here. NolfDieringer over Bruce Kinseth/Chuck Yagla/Tim Krieger/Jim Heffernan/Nate Carr consistently? Think about it. J'Den Cox over Ben Peterson/Eric Wais/Ed Banach/Mark Schultz/Jim Scherr? Kyle Snyder beating Lou Banach/Russ Hellickson/Bill Scherr/Larry Bielenberg every time? Doubtful. Certainly he would be in the fights of his life. I could go on and on...but this is all conjecture. Obsolete? Not sure that term applies here.
  5. Yup, and he got ripped off not only at the end of the match by not getting those last two awarded, but also in the back alley. Shame. Should have wrestled Sergei Beloglazov for the world title. Robbery. That being said, Schterev's throw at 2:00 was one for the ages...kept his calm, missed twice, re-grouped and changed his hold and took a serious chance on breaking his neck. Trying to take Lewis down conventionally was a waste of time...one could not take a breath to re-group once the shot was taken.
  6. Beloglazov was about 31 when this match took place...extremely old for a lightweight champion. That chest-wrench was other-worldly and now we see where David Taylor got his trap arm tilt.
  7. The doc is going to pull the trigger on his prognosis for the season in short order.
  8. I gotta go with Duane Kleven. UW non-starter ( no one seems to know his stats), but : Upon completing his college education, Kleven coached at Wisconsin High for one year and had a State Champion in Elmer Beale. 1962 through 1967 Kleven coached a U.S. Army team in Korea. In 1964 Duane became the Head Wrestling Coach at Racine Park and during this tenure there, Park won the State Championship in 1967 and 1969. He also had four individual State Champions while at Racine. From 1967 to 1968 Kleven served as Vice President of the Wisconsin Wrestling Coaches Association. During the summer of 1969 Duane Kleven became the Head Wrestling Coach at Oshkosh State. One year later he was chose to become the 2nd Head Wrestling Coach in the history of the sport at the University of Wisconsin. In four years he coached Rick Lawinger to an individual National Championship, the first in wrestling at the University. Since that time he has coached seven National Champions, the highlight being in 1976 when 3 Wisconsin Wrestlers earned the honor at the same time. One year later Kleven was named N.C.A.A. Coach of the Year. In 16 years of coaching, Kleven's teams have won 150 matches, lost 50 and tied 7. They reached up to 4th at the NCAAs a couple of times in his time. Not too bad, I would say. He was my coach for his last 3 years at UW....hope I didn't have a hand in scaring him off!
  9. Better facilities? Goodness, Moran doesn't get out much, does he?
  10. I can tell you that Hellickson was a freak about conditioning too, Tobus, but to tell you the truth I rarely felt "recovered" and fresh for a match. Possibly poor weight cutting on my part, but dead legs are anchors out there. But we competed hard. Gable's boys BELIEVED in their conditioning and their coaches. They also kept great position and hustled. Okie State had some great wrestlers back then too...and usually took a dual from the Hawks.
  11. Easy there big fella.....Nash Hutmacher is just a sophomore and will be catching up soon ( unless he opts for Wisconsin Football full time). Congrats to Cass just the same.
  12. "Snuzzi" was undoubtedly the largest and strongest 126 lber (lifting-wise, at least) that I've ever seen.
  13. Ballweg did the best he could, considering he was a 49er and behind Metcalf.
  14. They might even tell you that Barry Davis is the best lightweight coach around.... Brands, Brands, Zaputil, Penrith, Dresser (ok, a bit heavier), Greg Randall, Joe Melchiore, Tyler Graff, Tom Clum, Brad/Ryan Taylor, Zach Tanelli, Grant Hoerr, Eric Jetton, Matt Hanutke, Kevin and Tony Black. You have to divide the Brands' guys by two, then divide the "double recruiting class of Va Tech" by two as well to get the proper sum. :-)
  15. Actually, Carl Lewis exceeded the Beamon jump that day as well- with an illegal tail wind, as has Pedroso of Italy since.
  16. Nobody does it better than this guy: ( skip to end) https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5139633-randy-lewis-v-viktor-alexeev-1980-dual-rapid-city-sd
  17. The rules were different back then, of course. Significantly. If you weren't pressing the attack, either a stalling flag and/or par terre was indicated. You could get DQ'd if you were stalling. Four or five flags,and you were dunbar. Now they just assign ( somewhat puzzling at times) a shot clock. Matches were 3-3-3, and people got tired,and that contributed to high scores as well. Because the matches were so long ( 1980 ), and the threat of getting DQ'd was real,high scores were commonplace. Personally, I had a match that was 13-9, and both of us were on our last stall. SWEATY!!!! Yet, had to keep pummeling. Also,TDs were worth 1 lousy point, unless you went feet to back. Then it might be 2 or 3, depending upon which year it was. To get the 4th point for amplitude was RARE. And...a "hand to hand" lace leg was only worth 1 point. At one time, we couldn't use the same turn consecutively, which caused us to learn more than one turn. Still, someone scoring 20 in a match ( or both in the teens or more) was NOT uncommon. There were no tech falls for quite some time-not sure which year they changed it. I watched Andre Metzger put up 63 on a guy in 1979 in Madison WI at the Open. John Smith, in my opinion, helped change the game from "always keeping contact" to his general aggressiveness allowed him to stay caution-free while a a distance. His influence is still evident in today's neutral position, though I'm sure most of today's wrestlers have no idea.
  18. I'm more interested in the major networks picking us up, rather than ESPN/FLO/ etc. That's my number two reason for NCAA championships to be held AFTER the Final Four. Number ONE reason is to let the boys have at least one semester wherein he may concentrate on his major.
  19. Why wrestling schedules their season for the winter? 1. Competes with basketball for fans/media time- competing with track n field/ X Games would be much easier, and not compete with March Madness. 2. Study schedules are completely screwed up in terms of final exams. Wrestlers would become students again and study well and take their difficult classes first semester, and not have to wrestle with finals during the season. The way it is now, the season bridges first semester finals and Christmas break. 3. No real reason the season needs to extend from Nov - March, is there? The season schedule is incredibly long as it is. Five months?? Think about that. How about last week of Jan- end of April. Yes, I understand spring break is in there...might be a good time to heal before conference tournaments. Thoughts?
  20. I can tell you that shooting a high crotch on Rudy was no picnic. Usually ended up with me on the mat, face down with a neck stinger.
  21. If anyone here knows Rudy's whereabouts, please pm me. Thanks! And for the record, Rudy Isom had over 40 wins either his 4th or 5 year, possibly both. He shouldn't be included in any list of "worst" wrestlers, but maybe on a list of "when yer hot, yer hot and when yer cold, yer cold". He was a Jr. Nationals Champion, defeating among others, NCAA finalists Kenny Monday and Mark Schmitz. Not bad for a guy who didn't qualify for NY State Championships because two NCAA finalists ( Chris Edmond and Pete ?) were in his weight class at the Long Island Sectional.
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