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Tofurky last won the day on October 25 2017

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  1. Thanks for sharing your opinions and perspectives, folks.
  2. https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6218843-mike-duroe-1955-2018
  3. These are crazy! What is this guy's story and connection to wrestling?
  4. What does more Division 1 opportunity accomplish that can't be accomplished by schools in Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, NJCAA and NCWA? Is there enough Division 1 talent graduating from high school every year to necessitate this growth? The non-D1 levels WANT wrestling and are creating more opportunity annually than D1 schools have committed to in the last decade. Here is a list (data taken from Trackwrestling) showing how many colleges competed at the D1 Championships, how many scored one team point or less and how many scored zero team points or less. 2018 - 72 teams competed - 17 teams scored one team point or less (24% of the field) - 8 teams scored zero points or less (11%) 2017 - 69 teams competed - 13 teams scored one team point or less (19% of the field) - 4 teams scored zero points or less (6%) 2016 - 72 teams competed - 9 teams scored one team point or less (13% of the field) - 4 teams scored zero points or less (6%) 2015 - 69 teams competed - 12 teams scored one team point or less (17% of the field) - 3 teams scored zero points or less (4%) 2014 - 72 teams competed - 10 teams scored one team point or less (14% of the field) - 7 teams scored zero points or less (10%) 2013 - 72 teams competed - 13 teams scored one team point or less (18% of the field) - 7 teams scored zero points or less (10%) 2012 - 70 teams competed - 12 teams scored one team point or less (17% of the field) - 7 teams scored zero points or less (10%) This data might lead one to believe that there isn't enough talent coming out of high school to support the number of Division 1 programs that currently exist, let alone creating more of them that will only add to the numbers above. Instead of adding more teams to D1 at this point, why not focus on improving the numbers above first? Financially support the programs that need it most, which are usually among this group consistently, and will be most in danger of being cut in the future. All of this can do this WHILE growing the numbers of teams in college wrestling, just at levels outside of D1, where most wrestlers exist.
  5. Here are the numbers I have for college wrestling (culled from association websites and track wrestling regional entries) from 2017-18: Division 1: 76 Division 2: 58 Division 3: 104 NAIA: 56 NJCAA: 48 NCWA: 152 (34 Division 1; 118 Division 2 -I cannot find on their site what those designations mean) That is 494 collegiate wrestling opportunities for men alone. That's a lot of opportunity to not only find a college that is a right fit for student-athletes, but also to compete in the sport of wrestling after high school.
  6. If only life were as easy as your first paragraph. That said, Ray, your second paragraph isn't lost on me in direct relation to this topic. One thing you do not do is have more children.
  7. I did a few times in this thread alone. You, on the other hand, want to make it personal and have provided nothing in return but personal attacks. You're arguing from the heart, not the head. Groupthink is not only unproductive, but it is dangerous, boys.
  8. Let me get this straight, only D1 wrestling offers opportunities for young men who want to wrestle? That is one seriously specious argument. Quick question: how many collegiate men's wrestling programs existed in 2017-18?
  9. Lots of ad hominem attacks, but zero solutions. Anyone care to share how increasing the number of programs in the country in Division 1 helps wrestling?
  10. Both were go to techniques for Sammy... it all makes so much more sense now.
  11. No, it's not and it's not even close. What's a far, far worse take is convincing people that access to D1 is an issue. It isn't; not everyone scholarship-level student-wrestler NEEDS to go to Penn State, Ohio State, Iowa or Okie State to have had a successful career in D1. There are many programs out there offering ample opportunities to be a D1 student-athlete. Even worse than that is convincing kids and their parents that they are the next Logan Stieber or J'Den Cox, when they were a two-time state qualifier and finished fifth once as a senior. What actually might be the worst is the prevailing ideology on this and almost every other wrestling comment board that the only real collegiate wrestling experience that matters can be had is in Division 1. This year in the NCAA, Division 1 wrestling makes up 31 percent (76 programs from 242 total; 62 in D2 and 104 in D3) of the opportunities available to aspiring college wrestlers. You're telling me that more than three out of every ten high school senior student wrestlers is a Division 1 athlete? I will stridently disagree with you immediately. In terms of access, add in NAIA (63 programs in 2017-18) and NJCAA (47 programs in 2017-18) and high school senior wrestlers have 352 different opportunities to compete in college in 2017-18. That number doesn't include the more than 100 NCWA "club" teams out there. Of those, roughly 70% (D1, D2, NAIA and NJCAA) have the opportunity to offer financial reward for student-wrestlers. Maybe right sizing kids to not only meximize their potentials, but also to use their talents to afford college, is a better slogan than "D1 or Bust."
  12. Is Division 1 the ONLY option in your mind? If you go back and read the original post, and not take the title at face value, you'll see I said, in the second sentence, no less, "Would the wrestling community be better off limiting the number of Division 1 programs to, say, 40 in order to keep the best talent there, so then as to focus on growth in D2, D3, NAIA (you can throw in NJCAA and maybe even develop RTC-type programs at institutions without an NCAA, NAIA or NJCAA program, as an addendum), but that aren't going to be in the running for the likes of the kids in the Intermat/Mat Talk/Flo rankings?" Right there, I gave a far more reasonable and cost effective solution for 98-99% of high school wrestlers out there to continue competing after high school. https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/5067286-you-do-the-math-high-school-participation-numbers - the numbers of high school wrestlers are shrinking. Of the 250,653 high school wrestlers in 2015-16, how many were girls who will not be competing for any men's programs in college? Take that number out and the number continues to drop. Then, how many of the remaining kids were high school seniors? My assumption is that the largest numbers you'll find are at the freshman level, where kids are trying the sport for the first time. Most won't stick with it, but they are among those numbers. Of those seniors, how many of them are "Division 1 athletes" who will ever be starters for the teams for which they intend to compete? Why would we push for more Division 1 opportunities, so wrestling can make an effort keep up with football and basketball to make the fan base feel better about where the sport stands in the landscape of collegiate athletics? So dad (and maybe mom) can boast to their friends that their kid is on X Division 1 team? So we can kid ourselves into further believing that wrestling is more important to American culture than it really is? American society has spoken... for the last 30-some-odd years. The numbers are not in our favor. Public perception is that wrestling is seen as little more than breeding ground for mixed martial arts and, to a far lesser extent, a core Olympic sport that people think happens once every four years. We, as a community, need to be more honest with ourselves about this and figure out how to adjust for the benefit of those involved with this sport we all enjoy. Part of this means growing programs at levels which are not D1 (because it costs a hell of a lot less and the interest is there) and to stop kidding ourselves that every kid out there is worthy of D1 designation, leading high school coaches, club coaches, dads, moms, grandparents, siblings and everyone in town that there just isn't enough access. There IS enough access at the D1 level, but the level of talent isn't there to support all those programs.
  13. If less than half of all teams that have reps at Nationals--and that is not all 76-odd teams every year that do qualify someone--are remotely competitive, what's the point in keeping the consistent cellar dwellers around? Why would fans want to increase the number of D1 programs if more than half of teams each tournament can't score double digit team points and a quarter of teams or more are scoring five points or less each year? Also, if fans already don't follow the teams that are currently in the bottom 60% of teams annually, why add more teams that will not be competitive? Why not reduce the amount of Division 1 teams to concentrate the top talent, get rid of the coaches who aren't producing at that level and make for a truly competitive division instead of pretending that any of us really give a $#!* about those teams that are never in contention for anything but who can score the least amount of points?
  14. Are there too many D1 programs out there to support the talent that Division 1 athletics is supposed to attract? Would the wrestling community be better off limiting the number of Division 1 programs to, say, 40 in order to keep the best talent there, so then as to focus on growth in D2, D3, NAIA, but that aren't going to be in the running for the likes of the kids in the Intermat/Mat Talk/Flo rankings? Without me citing names, we all know to which programs I am referring. From a fan perspective, there seems to be very little support for teams who "don't produce" on a regular basis Is it time to significantly "thin the herd," so to speak and let "the cream rise to the top," to quote a well known coach?
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