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Everything posted by Tofurky

  1. You're welcome, Mphillips. If you don't know the histories of the competitors who have and continue to place at World Championships and Olympic Games, then it appears my position is over your head.
  2. Winning or continuing to medal? 2021 Worlds results alone show the following champions with their ages in parentheses: 57kg - Gilman (27) 61kg - Magomedov (23) 65kg - Shakhiev (22) 70kg - Gadzhiev (33) 74kg - Dake (30) 79kg - Burroughs (33) 86kg - Yazdanicharati (26) 92kg - Ghasempour (25) 97kg - Sadulaev (25) 125kg - Zare (20) One of the things to keep in mind is the depth each of those nations have. No one matches Russia, which is why so many Russians wrestle for neighboring nations, but the aforementioned countries seemingly never skip a beat with replacing/unseating "old" talent with new talent.
  3. It is true. The results are available to confirm this. Historically, U.S. medals come after the collegiate years have passed. JB was 24 when he won gold in London. KD was 27 when he won his first senior world championship medal. DT was was also 27 when he won his first senior world championship medal. Gilman was 23. Snyder and Steveson are outliers. By comparison, historically, the Russians/former Soviet bloc nations, Iranians, Georgians, Turks, et al are earning senior level medals in the 18 to 20-years-old range.
  4. Like anything, it depends on when they win them. For most of the "Eastern European" nations, and Iran, their folks are earning medals at pretty young ages. American wrestlers tend/seem to earn them in their mid-20s, when the traditional powers are mid- to late-career. I'm sure that folks like JB, Dake, Taylor, Gray, and even Maroulis would tell you that their tactics have been forced to change due to growing physical limitations placed on them by age. Well, Dake might not say that as an adherent to and spokesperson for his training regimine, but you get the idea. Also, scouting video in near real time is the norm anymore, so that has really changed things for many high level wrestlers. Gone are the days of national/international postage and grainy VHS tapes. It's all in the palm of your hand, baby! This would be a great topic to bring up to people like Chris Campbell, Big Bruce, Trish Saunders, Rulon Gardner, et al. Heck even Kolat and Cross could kick in some perspective on this topic.
  5. What if his own teammate, Austin DeSanto, drops down to 125 and earns the starting spot for the Hawkeyes? Dun-dun-DUUUUNNNN!!!
  6. By and large, I love the rules as they exist. A few changes I would make (and I have whined about here in the past): 1. A 10 second turn clock that starts once a takedown has been confirmed. If a turn takes place within the 10 seconds, the clock starts over again. If a turn is in progress when the buzzer goes off after 10 seconds, it is awarded, then back it's on your feet you go. A 10 second turn clock is uniform and takes the ref out of the equation. Wrestlers are given one opportunity per match to void the turn clock (a la Steveson) by clearly showing the ref the sign for wrestling from the feet after earning a takedown. 2. After a wrestler receives a warning from two of the three judges, choice of position goes to his/her opponent. 3. I'd like to see something done about exposure, then takedown that awards a wrestler for more than just exposure. I'm not talking feet to back here, but coming off of a scramble. Thoughts, folks?
  7. They hadn't been fully commercialized before 1984 for a number of reasons. 1. The head of the IOC through 1972 (too lazy to look up his name at the time) didn't allow it. 2. The Montreal games were close to the U.S., but did not have that U.S. market the way L.A. did in 1984. You had a lot of investment across industries in the Games beyond the world's largest fast food chain. 3. 1980 was Moscow. I am too young to remember them, but how much coverage did they get here in the states. Here is an interesting take on those very games done seven years ago by a writer for the "Wall Street Journal". I didn't know a lot of this until the moment I am replying to this, but it bolsters my previous statements: I remember the arguments about professionalizing the Games. Part of it also was the U.S. wanting to lend support to the IOC with keeping the Games loaded with amateurs. The NBA had a world-wide product they could promote, and the IOC took notice of it. Again, the IOC is a business, and they understood the difference in their bottom line between having MJ, Magic, Barkley, Bird, and others out there instead of that year's NCAA all-star team. $$$
  8. Yes and no, but I do agree with most of what you say here. It boils down to the Olympics marketing themselves as the premier athletic event in the world, based on ancient Greek legacy, according to a Frenchman back in 1894. Dhort story, but the Olympic Games weren't fully commercialized until (no surprise here) the 1984 Games on American soil, where television and advertising revenues were unrivaled across the globe. Former MLB Commissioner Peter Uebberoth changed that relationship between sponsors and the Games. Two cycles later, in 1992, when basketball was exploding in popularity domestically and internationally, the US started sending professional athletes (men's bball, namely) to the Games. The Games then became "legitimate" to a lot of people, specifically the American viewership, where most of that ad revenue was targeted. Enter Reebok, Adidas, Nike, and others on the scale we have all become accustomed to being forced down our throats. Seeing "The Dream Team", athletes began to really ramp up sponsorship opportunities with large corporations, and the big winners were financing their training thanks to such sponsors, as well as becoming household names. That said, the athletes don't compete harder in the Olympic years than they do in the three years in between. The sport is the sport; a world gold and an Olympic gold are the same to most... unless there is money on the line. (Fuel the Dream Fund?) Wrestling, as a sport, is notoriously slow with getting on board with this. I don't know exactly why that is, but it is. I like Askren talking about separating the sport from the Olympics, but the brain trust in the sport hasn't found a way to do that. I don't want to be a fatalist, but I don't see it ever happening. Wrestling will always need the marketing behemoth that is The Olympic Games. As to what other people think about what should and should not be in the Games, who cares? They have to be sustainable beyond my years here. Keeping up with trends is smart business, which is what the IOC is, ultimately. The athletes in those newer sports work their tails off just like our wrestlers do. I'm confident in saying I can't do what they can do, but I am happy to watch them do the things they love to do most.
  9. Mike's not that old. He was no older than 28 when his eligibility ran out. https://www.wiwrestling.com/new-wisconsin-wrestler-podcast-mike-kelly-april-5/ - starts about 10 minutes in.
  10. I'm sorry if someone else already stated this, while treep's post is well-intended, this post is FAR too simplistic. Physical and athletic attributes aside, 18 is an arbitrary number. That age only recognizes the end of the legal requirement for Americans to attend some form of formal educational system, but also one in which young Americans can serve in the military/DHS without the need for parental consent. Most of us adults here who are older than the age of 40 years know that boys/young men rarely live up to the expectations of adulthood (which stage of adulthood are we talking about here?) until they are well into their 20s. They continue to require a lot of guidance at those critical ages to move them along to being something resembling the adults many here expect them to be at 18, as if that changes like flipping a switch. You can call that coddling, if you wish, but that would be ignore basic biology and brain development. As to the military reference, as someone who served on active duty from the ages of 18 to 22 years old, expecting those young people to be adults is one thing. The reality is that most are still very much children whose brains continue to develop and change for years to come. At one point treep states, "...that opens the door to a whole bunch of other topics and conversations, not worth going into (drinking age, combat age, neurological age, etc.)", but brain development and maturity are absolutely worth the discussion, especially when you're talking about the expectations of being an adult placed on young people by society.
  11. Give the guy a break. He went to a state school... in the south... ;)
  12. Furthermore, there are far too many variables as to why a kid with X high school results does not pan out in college. Every program in every sport has that story. To take it close to home for you, did Mike Grey live up to expectation? How about Scott Winston? Andrew Campolattano? College sports are littered with the "shoulda/coulda/woulda" stories, and they rarely have to do with the coach not being competent enough to develop a student-athlete.
  13. https://cornellbigred.com/sports/wrestling/roster/nahshon-garrett/41087 - with being a two-time California champ and a four-time Fargo AA, I'd say that this was was more than just your average high school wrestler. Also, I don't remember Stanford being a California-cebtric team in recent years. As stated above, the name alone (not to mention the instant access to some of the greatest education in the world) brings in people from across the globe. The only change that make this move a step down, in some respects, is that Stanford, unlike Cornell, does not have a public component to it. That will make recruiting harder for Koll, but that dude has proven himself time and time and time again that he knows how to work within the system for great gains. I don't expect Stanford to win it all, but I do expect a few top-four trophies out of them in Koll's first decade on "The Farm". Beyond all of that, I am most curious to know how he fills put his coaching staff. Rob Koll has always been great about placing credit where it is due, and he understands the value of his assistants to the recruitment and development processes for his teams. Go, Stanford! Go, Rob Koll!
  14. Grand View is the nine-time defending team champions, but a son of the program may be the reason they don't make it to 10 straight this year. A set of twin brothers from Indiana are on a collision course to make the finals at 133 pounds. Man-child and Kentucky native Brandon Reed of Lindsey Wilson is on track for his third title at heavyweight. Arizona Christian's Jack Latimer (unseeded) is in the semis, after knocking off the numbers one and nine seeds in his bracket. Elias Vaoifi (American Samoa) and Baterden Boldmaa (Mongolia) are both semi-finalists. Many of the best NJCAA student-wrestlers have found a home in the NAIA. The NAIA semi-finals feature 20 different schools, which is equal to the D1 semis in 2019. Georgia has more qualifiers to this year's tournament than any other state in this year's tournament. You have a few good second chance stories you rarely find in the NCAA. @JasonBryant, care to weigh in on this topic? Didn't you recently cover a lot of this on one of your recent "Short Time" podcasts? ;) These young men and their skills are worthy of discussion and attention.
  15. While certainly a fantastic wrestler, Khabib's best takedowns are when he utilizes the cage for leverage.
  16. Does he make extra dough if he finds TJ Hill's non-golds in there, too?
  17. One thing that might bring more attention to this is Kurt Angle. Wasn't he planning a comeback for the '16 Olympics before an injury derailed those plans? Why not see if he wants a match and have him help promote it to his fanbase? How about (almost) any of the WWE guys who are still capable? I came across it on tv not long ago and there was a tag team guy who used to wrestle for Ivan at the Northern Michigan OTS. It could help get eyes on that thing and increase the pay numbers.
  18. Is this an arm of Chael's submission promotion?
  19. I was thinking Geduev in 2016. He looked ALL natural.
  20. Who is "he" in that sentence? I saw the movie, but I don't remember all of it. Also, how do you switch paperwork when the positive test is right there with officials watching? Did they hire David Copperfield or David Blaine to handle that?
  21. I do not know the answer to that question, Mr. Chapman, but I am happy you brought it up.
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