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Tofurky

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  1. In the combat sports universe, MMA is king and everything else short of boxing (for now, thanks only to its long legacy) is small potatoes. The average Joe doesn't care about who has the best double leg, the best kimura, the best jab-cross combination or the best leg strikes, all by themselves. Blend all of those things together and people start paying attention because they want to know who the single biggest bad @$$ around is, not who can score the most nearfall points from a roll through tilt.

     

    While the backgrounds/martial arts bases of the competitors might be interesting to some fans, I'm willing to bet that jiu jitsu and muay thai have seen more growth in the last 10 years, because their skills (submissions and strikes, respectively) are more practical than scoring two for a takedown. I wish it weren't so, but I do suspect as much.


  2. The RTC's are designed to have a symbiotic relationship with the college program(s) that they're associated with.  Taking a recent high school grad and paying him a full-time salary when he could otherwise be on scholarship and wrestling for the college team seems like it might get a little dicey.  The OTC route is more established and probably a better option, and there are very few guys out there that even qualify for that in the first place.  

     

    I see what you're getting at though.  If Pico had gone to Cael, Ryan, etc. in 2015 and said he wanted to train full-time at the RTC while attending classes, think they turn him down?

     

    I agree with you on the OTC. I think there's definitely a very good reason why you see some of the best Junior wrestlers in the country staying for one year (or less) and then heading to college. That may be a sign to other wrestlers, not to mention that these guys talk to one another at tournaments, camps, clinics, etc.

     

    With that, not everyone wants to live in Colorado Springs. PA and Ohio kids are well-regarded for wanting to stay home. Might Carl make such a bold move in the not-too-distant future?

     

    Pico, Cejudo and even Snyder. I think the Snyder thing was very much a case of "you do right be me, I'll do right by you," with Tom Ryan. I do have to imagine that if Ryan told Kyle that they'd raise the money for him via the RTC to continue his education at no cost, while focusing on Freestyle 100% of the time, Snyder would have said, "where do I sign?" You could probably go back as far as Dave Schultz, John Smith, Cary Kolat and many others to see the same thing taking place, had it been available, and even further than that.

    It's pretty rare to find a top end guy who chooses the early finality of American Folk and the grind associated with it as opposed to that Freestyle. If the model was a bit more open, I have to believe we very well might see more fellas joining those ranks... not to mention it could bring in more international students.


  3. I don’t quite see the point unless it’s for sponsorships

     

    Snyder demonstrated the path. Wrestle in events coach says he wants you and do very little folkstyle specific work. This would only apply to the best guys, but I’m sure if Fix, Lee, Gable, Hall etc has insisted upon that, they could’ve arranged it with a school.

     

    That's the point: most guys are not the guys you mentioned.

     

    This model I am suggesting would be one that takes very good high school wrestlers who might need some opportunities to grow, but the student-athlete doesn't necessarily want the physical and mental grind of college wrestling, and makes them contenders on the world level. They can choose to or not to earn their degrees at that point. The better the partners, the deeper the pool, the more fans the sport pulls in...


  4. Humans (especially Americans) have a fascination with who is the toughest/biggest bad @$$ around. It's a cultural thing here in this mostly wonderful country. Whether it be real (MMA) or staged (professional sports entertainment), fighting sells and the money pumped into it by the respective fan bases says so. Why will wrestling never be at that level? The sport is not as multifaceted as the other two are. Both MMA and "fake rasslin'" have a combination of punches, kicks, grappling, submissions and, most important of all, personalities you can follow. While not necessarily my cup of tea, so to speak, my kids and I get a charge out of the over-the-top productions and story lines and so do most folks.

     

    I think this is great and I hope JK goes for it.


  5. I am sure Iowa won't restrict Gunther, but does that mean the B1G will automatically approve it?

     

    As far as Renteria goes, I don't think he left on good terms, so I doubt Manning endorses a move to Iowa.......

     

    I had heard the same about Renteria...

     

    Gunther being a two-time qualifier might play into Iowa's decision. If they say yes, does the B1G automatically look at it and follow the wishes of their member institutions or do they make their own determination?


  6. We all know that the traditional route to an RTC is through the collegiate style of wrestling and then take one on come graduation. Does anyone foresee RTCs making a greater push to not only raise funds to recruit student-athletes to compete in Freestyle (Penn State has somewhat opened the door to college graduates), but are they recruiting Fargo and the UWW trials for talent? Are there any high schoolers out there currently who are more likely to explore such the route of skipping past college and focusing their full-time competitive careers on Free?


  7. You can get plenty of protein without meat. And it is ultimately much healthier for your own life, the lives of nonhuman animals, and the well-being of the planet. I've been a vegan or vegetarian my entire adult life and competed successfully in many distance races from the mile to the marathon without adverse effects. There have been lots of elite athletes who eliminated meat and performed at high (or their highest) levels: Venus Williams, Carl Lewis, Martin Navratilova, and Ricky Williams, among many others.

     

    Sushil Kumar, an Indian wrestler who medaled in both Beijing and London, is a lacto-vegetarian.

    As you might imagine, I fully support this message. Gantry, lend a like here, my friend.

     

     

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    My neighbor's son crushing it... I love this.

     

    I was a fan of pro "wrestling" before I first stepped foot on a real mat. I can still enjoy this sort of thing and recognize that WWF/E isn't poaching any of our guys, but providing them with some laughs and smiles. I have zero beef with that, "brother!" WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


  9. The year round club wrestler that gets his jollies pounding Rec kids is actually killing the sport. These type of kids are around in most sports but in team sport having one or two kids like that isn’t the same as an individual sport. And those club kids in team sports tend to play on club teams against other club teams so the normal kids can play against other multi sport kids. In wrestling, at least in PA and NJ, there is no middle class. There are beginner tourneys and then opens. In the open tourneys that 3 sport kid who is a good athlete but doesn’t wrestle in a club 4 nights a week gets hammered. And of course they are all money makers. There is no bigger disgrace than the NJ USA wrestling kids states where kids are paying close to $100 (for USA card and the tourney fee) to enter a single elimination tourney where, until you have placed in the states you are likely to run into a state place winner your first match

     

    . Little Johnny’s parents pay the $100, go have him weigh in Friday night (kills an hour or more) and then sit around 4 hours on Sunday til he finally wrestles. Gets pinned in a minute, no wrestleback. Signs up for lacrosse the next day and who can blame him?

     

    Something similar to this happened to my nephew. He is a standout football player for his age in his area and I convinced my sister that wrestling would help him improve even more, especially since he is already playing one side of the ball (defense). For as athletic as he is, he tried wrestling and in his first two tournaments went up against some real age group hammers from a nationally recognized club. By Thanksgiving he was back to playing basketball with his friends and told me that he won't ever go back to wrestling.

     

    I tried to convince him to stick it out, but he even asked me how he was going to make up that much time and technique to be competitive, at a club even he knew wasn't on the level of this other one I previously mentioned. It wasn't worth it to him, or my sister, and he said he'd rather spend more time becoming better at football or spending time playing pick up basketball with his friends. I felt bad for him and I didn't want him to hate the sport, but his experience was more than I could do to change his mind.


  10. If I remember correctly, Alex Dolly had to meet citizenship requirements set forth by the Irish government in order to compete for them. His grandmother being from Ireland was the key.

     

    Also, Ramzan Ibraikhanov had a (well placed) sponsor in country and then changed his name to Ramazan S(h)ahin to sound more Turkish, and honor said sponsor, when he made the "move" to compete for Turkey. I miss that dude competing. He was a beast

     

    What I am gathering from all of this is a few things:

    1. It's not as easy as saying, "Hey, Ukraine, I want to wrestle for you and my country is down with." Ukraine then says, "Okay, we'll pay UWW the arbitrary $5,000 ransom they require for this to happen. See you soon!"

    2. This is becoming a great way for more athletes to compete on the World and Olympic stage.

    3. This sort of thing could be a boost to countries who don't have a strong wrestling heritage.

    4. I had another relevant point, but I've now forgotten what that was.


  11. The father said that the amount of time wrestling requires today to be competitive is too much and keeps kids away from other valuable experiences.

    To me, this is it. Kids are smart they know that Johnny’s dad has been pushing him year-round to be a multiple-time kids champ so various public and private high schools can recruit him. X kid just started and gets the living hell beat out of him by Johnny. The kid who took the whipping is going to find something else to do by high school. This scenario is becoming more and more common: kids specialize before high school and the name of the game is becoming “elite” as soon as possible. This will only continue.

     

     

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  12. Good insight, MM, but in all seriousness I have to wonder if UWW looks the other way when more powerful nations “send” guys to non-traditional powers. Think US to Mexico or another Latin American nation that could possibly have an outside shot at a medal, which COULD then spur further interest in the sport. Going from Dagestan/Russia to Turkey, Azerbaijan or Ukraine, I believe, is what they’re making effort to stop, as those teams typically hover in and around the top 10 annually.


  13. There is a really weird dynamic going on there. There are so many of these Dagestani wrestlers spread around Europe yet they train in Dagestan but compete against Russia.

     

    Listening some of the interviews though, its almost like the fans there don't care for "Russia" per se but more for their Dagestani wrestlers, irrespective what country they compete in.

     

    I think ethnically, religiously and certainly politically, that Caucasus region of the country would prefer to not be aligned with Russia. It appears to remain very "tribal" there, where your state and bloodline are everything.

     

    I can't blame the Dagestanis for going elsewhere to compete. You can live your life almost exactly the same as you always do, but have a real shot at competing for a World/Olympic medal for another nation. I'm surprised more Americans don't follow this same model.

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