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  1. Not only do I want to see him achieve this goal, but I believe he will. Good luck, dude!
  2. I asked this question a few months ago and many suggested that he would be redshirting. He also had a shoulder operation as well rather recently. Sources tell me that he is indeed redshirting. Though bummed not to see him this year in a NU singlet, I'm psyched about his future with the 'Cats.
  3. Is Taylor moving back down or are both Welch and St. John moving up?
  4. The best part of that video was the announcer! "Jake Herbert, hero of the world! You know, a lot of people ask 'where did he learn his stuff?' It was all from me, the smartest guy in the world! I taught Jake how to wrestle, how to fight and how to make love to a woman! He didn't take my advice on the last one, but he's still really $*@#!^ strong!" That and what Jake says starting at 2:35. Was this for some Northwestern comedy troupe? "I haven't seen hazing like this since our women's soccer team!" "And it looks like 10 freshman girls are safe tonight!" Herbert is an absolute character and awesome for our sport!
  5. I loved wrestling until I began amateur wrestling in the late-1980s. I think because of the larger-than-life variety of characters and street fight-esque craziness going on each week, it was great to a kid who was all of 9 to 12 years old.After I focused on American folk wrestling, "professional" wrestling lost its luster for me and I haven't paid attention to it in decades. There are a couple guys where I coach who are obsessed with professional wrestling. I keep telling them to tryout for something like that, but they claim that collegiate wrestling is more important to them. I can't really tell that it is.
  6. I say go for it and implement it. Push outs will make matches "shorter" and encourage the edge wrestling to take place in the middle of the mat. I'm all for both.
  7. Kevin Seconds and Steve Youth do not approve of this thread: .
  8. 55 kg - Sam Hazewinkle - Oklahoma 60 kg - Coleman Scott - Oklahoma State 66 kg - Jared Frayer - Oklahoma 74 kg - Jordan Burroughs - Nebraska 84 kg - Jake Herbert - Northwestern 96 kg - Jake Varner - Iowa State 120 kg - Tervel Dlagnev - Nebraska-Kearney (DII university)
  9. Reza Yazdani is the same way. He's a great competitor, great sport and good human.
  10. I agree with this 100%. A lot of what guys learn drilling-wise is that your takedowns start from a static position. As you said, it doesn't happen that way. What we try to introduce to guys is everything comes from a good hand fight to the position you want, the drill partner going about 50%, followed by a strong attack to a quick effective finish. Some guys get it, some guys just don't care and want to do their own thing. The results show. The model of mass amounts of live wrestling drives me crazy, but that's the American model that is so hard to break for most coaches and a lot of athletes. A lot of people talk about the conditioning aspect of it, which is unquestionably true, but you can ramp up your conditioning by drilling hard and properly. In terms of sparring, we work on it constantly, but we see the problem you mentioned all the time, especially with some of our more gifted guys. They're selfish and don't want to give up the position or the takedown and it makes that style of drilling ineffective.
  11. Like zees? http://www.flowrestling.org/video/75894 ... eman-Scott or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlxeci7o4SM.
  12. If we define Iowa style as an attacking style that puts pressure on opponents for the whole match, then Burroughs fits that category, but so does John Smith. Heck, you could even put guys like Beloglazov, Fadzaev, and both Saitiev bros in that category, because they were atypical Russians in the sense that they blew opponents out of the water and continued to score throughout a match (at least during their primes), unlike the stereotypical Russian style of get a lead and shut things down. It's more than that, ds. It's the ability to rack up points against your opponents from whistle to whistle. Don't forget that Brands is the same guy who beat Joe Gilbert 24-14 in the '91 Big 10 finals; 33-19 in the '91 semis at Nationals and then 23-15 at the '92 B10 finals. Brands uses the term "exciting," but I doubt that he was putting the hurt on Gilbert in any of those three matches to be exciting. Brands just wanted to destroy the kid and fans find that high scoring stuff exciting, me included. All the guys you mentioned were the same way. Then again, it was a very different game back then (the same mentality Saitiev came up with) where racking up points was rewarded and mattered in your success. Kudukhov opens up when he knows he can, but typically is happy to wait for the clinch if it's going to be close. These guys disregard the risk and think of the reward. Honestly, I believe it's the rule changes more than anything else that have lead to the get a lead and shut down than it was the Soviet system.
  13. I've not once suggested that you're wrong about this and I agree with you, but for far more than you stated. What I have asked all along is why doesn't it cut both ways? Why can a Russian or other foreign-born wrestler come to the United States with little to no American collegiate/folk experience and already prove that he is already among the best at that level? On the converse, why can't our best American collegiate wrestlers routinely go out there in both Free and Greco and automatically be among the top eight guys in the world? Nuts and bolts: why does Freestyle and Greco transition better to American folk/collegiate than American folk/collegiate does to Free and Greco? No one answers this question, but thinks I'm being a dick for pointing out the blatantly obvious.
  14. Agreed 100%. In terms of an Iowa style, I'd say that almost all American wrestlers wrestle an "Iowa Style," at least in terms of how Brands states it here: http://www.flowrestling.org/coverage/24 ... Tom-Brands. The way that Burroughs approached that match with Tsargush last year would be exactly what Brands describes and what he expects of his guys.
  15. Not one of those Russian/Soviet guys who did actually compete in the NJCAA/NCAA systems were senior level world medalists or really ever that close. That doesn't mean they stunk, it just means they weren't the legends that receive so much rightful praise in this sport and discussion on boards like this one. One was a multiple time World and Olympic finalist, one defeated Kevin Jackson, all were top 5 guys from their country at the senior level. Are you seriously saying we should make the argument that the Soviet system is better by looking at how Belaglasov, Satiev, or Fadzaev would do against college athletes in a given year? We would have to then compare Gable, Smith, and Baumgartner to Russias junior championships. How do yo think that would go? Relax... Of the guys you mentioned-- those who did compete in the U.S. at the collegiate level--which was the "multiple time World and Olympic finalist" and for which college did he wrestle? How did he fair collegiately? Was it Vougar? I can't find where he attended college in the U.S. The only other World champ on that list, Vila, didn't pass the NCAA clearinghouse when he came over in 1997, so he couldn't compete. We know that Matyushenko beat Kevin Jackson, hence his nickname given to him by Dave Schultz. However, in his only trip to the World tournament (1994), he placed outside of the top 10. Again, there is a big difference from being the number one guy to being the number five guy in every country. Though, at one time being the number five guys in Russia/USSR might make you the number one guy in most every other country in this sport. When I mentioned Fadzaev, Beloglazov and Saitiev, I did so in reference to different combat sport styles and how none of them would have been expected to walk in and mow down the competition in those other forms with with little to no previous training and become dominant champions. What I have been saying for years now is that these guys, even if they weren't those legends, come from the former Soviet system, the greatest we've all ever seen. When they came to the U.S., they proved they were already among the best college guys in the United States without having ever competed under American rules. That's regardless if they didn't win it all off the bat due to the learning curve, they were top eight guys at the NCAA level and generally finalists/champs at the NJCAA level. Unfortunately, the same isn't true when the best American collegiate guys move on to senior level international competition. Why does it exist with such high frequency one way and not the other? Finally, trying to compare a bunch of kids ages 20 and less--many of whom aren't even out of high school--to a group of men who can be as old as 24 or 25 years old when they compete in their final college seasons (Simmons was 25 or 26 in his last year of eligibility; Mocco was 24 or 25 in his last year; Herbert was 24 when he won his second title in 2009; etc.) is ridiculous.
  16. Not one of those Russian/Soviet guys who did actually compete in the NJCAA/NCAA systems were senior level world medalists or really ever that close. That doesn't mean they stunk, it just means they weren't the legends that receive so much rightful praise in this sport and discussion on boards like this one. My guess would be that the Russians in no way would expect the Saitiev brothers or Fadzaev or Beloglazovs to win Sombo, Judo, JuJu world titles in their first cracks at it. They're smart enough people to recognize that there are significant stylistic differences (For example, American folk with riding and turning, i.e. locked hands, no 10 second restart, no 90 degree plane to break, accrued riding time, etc.) between the various combat sports that require practice and attention to detail that take time to master. As I stated before, those guys don't come here in droves, not because they're afraid of U.S. collegiate wrestlers, rather, the overwhelming majority of them simply don't see the benefit financially or culturally. On the other hand, and I've asked this time and time again, why do foreign wrestlers come to the U.S. and transition much easier to American folk than American folk wrestlers transition to Freestyle? The numbers speak for themselves and can't be denied.
  17. I got your point back on the last page with your badminton vs. tennis analogy. To me, it's important to note that when Americans come on here saying that the Olympic games should adopt American folk, claiming that foreign wrestlers would never be able to compete in "our" style of the sport, the results show that they already do and that they do very well in almost all cases. The same is less true when Americans matriculate into the international scene, especially these days. I've often wondered why it's increasingly more difficult for Americans to adapt to the international styles since 1996 than it is for foreign competition to come and be part of collegiate programs here in the U.S.
  18. Everyone knows that in 99% of wrestling nations in the world, there's a chasm of difference between World/Olympic Champ/medalist and the fifth guy on the ladder from a specific country. Going down your list: Gelogaev - AA his first season wrestling and in his second he was among the best guys in the country prior to injury two seasons in a row. He's not repped Russia on the senior level at any major international tournaments. Wilson - Sixth in the world in '93; 2X DIII champ. Did he wrestle more than two collegiate seasons? Vougar - Where did he wrestle in college in the U.S.? Matyushenko - Euros runner-up in 1994, 11th at Worlds; 2X NJCAA champ for Lassen. Did he wrestle in U.S. college after Lassen? Vila - Where did he wrestle in college in the U.S.? Barnes - Fifth at Junior Worlds in '06; two-time NJCAA AA, 1X champ; NCAA AA. Williams - Espoir Worlds 9th; 2X NJCAA AA, 1X champ. Didn't AA for UOregon. Saanja - Like Gelogaev, not repped Mongolia at any major senior level tournaments. 2X NJCAA finalist, 1X champ; 2X NCAA AA. Abdurakhmanovs - Multiple-time NJCAA AAs/Champs; NCAA AAs; very little senior level wrestling from either one and Bekzod reps the U.S., not Uzbeikstan. Garcia - Haislan? Where did he wrestle in the U.S.? Pliev - Never wrestled in college. Lassen coach Rex Branum has stated such in interviews. Anoshenko - Nowhere near Matyushenko's talent; 1X NJCAA champ, then became an assistant coach at Eastern Illinois the next year. One of the biggest things to note is that not all of these guys chose or even could go to a DI program for various reasons. Yet, everyone of these guys came to the U.S. and went to whatever universities they did for whatever reasons and everyone of them were successful from the word go. Not all of them were champs out of the gates, but every single one of them were in the mix.
  19. When you say "almost every medalist or top 5 guy...," who are you referring to? Paskalev? He peaked seven years before coming to the U.S. After him, who else are we talking about?
  20. How many times has this happened in the history of the NCAAs? Three? Maybe five on the high end? The numbers clearly favor foreign wrestlers coming to the US and having success at the NCAA level than they do the converse. Yojiro Uetake absolutely dominated American Folk and on the world level. Masaaki Hatta was a world runner-up in 1962 and NCAA champ the same year, as well as being a three-time finalist for OSU from 1960-62. Far more NCAA champs/AAs went on to compete at the world level and didn't do anything in relation the number of foreigner wrestlers who came to the US and transitioned well at the collegiate ranks when it counted.
  21. Dominate? No, but that has a lot to do with the style differences between American folk and Freestyle. Notice how, as others have mentioned, the foreign guys tend to be "dogs" on the bottom. How many of "those guys" comes from overseas, period? Not even one handful a year? The ones that do or have, by and large, assimilate pretty quickly. The Abdurakhmanov brothers, Barnes, Sanjaa, Gelogaev, Luvsandorj, in recent years; Uetake, the Hatta brothers going way back... I know Babak Mohammadi was a high school two-timer in Oregon, but was he born in the U.S.? Khetag Pliev, though he never wrestled in college, was pretty dominant as a prep in Ohio. Some might say Franklin Gomez, but I think that's b.s. Let's see how the Hofstra recruit with one year of eligibility does. "Those guys" who do come over here seem to have quite a bit more success with the transition than the other way around when comparing numbers.
  22. You do realize that the United States is the "best in the world in folkstyle" because no other country wrestles this style, right? You'll always be the champion in a one person race. Every country has their own "folk style," but American folk is an amalgam of a number of different European styles that were brought here by immigrants during the 19th and 20th centuries that not one other country embraces. I don't see why the Olympic games would go to FILA and mandate that they throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak, for nearly 100 nations around the globe and simply adopt American folk style rules because the sport has 1,000,000 American fans. The IOC isn't any more interested in one nation's marginal sport than they are with the international marginal sports they already have. The Russians aren't going to come to the U.S. even if American folk became the standard world wide. They have funding, and whole hell of a lot more than any American university degree can hope to promise them. Most of these guys are farmers or come from very rural communities that don't put a high price on a degree in business management or accounting. Also, currently, only 15 Japanese players are in MLB. Of the 810 rostered players in Major League Baseball right now, the Japanese make up a whopping 3% of them. All told, only 50 Japanese nationals have ever played in the MLB, including the 15 there now. You also realize that Japan is an immensely more technologically advanced society than those of Dagestan, Ossetia and Chechnya combined, correct? To think that south west Russian wrestling fans would automatically tune in, let alone have the ability to do so for many years to come, is misguided.
  23. From Triton College: 125: Jose Torres, 4-2, Fourth/AA to McKendree (DII) 133: Devantae McCloud, 1-2, DNP, to McKendree (DII) 157: Jeremy Walters, 1-2, DNP, to Elmhurst (DIII) 165: Lenny Kuspa, 1-2, DNP, to Concordia-Wisconsin (DIII)
  24. I think you guys are being a little too touchy here. No one is saying that Ferraro isn't well-connected or can't do the job, but Clarion backers have been on these boards crying about consistency and the future of the program on more than one occasion over the years. The ability to recruit in one state out of 50 doesn't bode well for great odds with future success of the team, even if they have a limited budget. Heck, Threadkilla said, "... he should do well recruiting some of the northern PA kids." Northern PA recruits alone is not going to make Clarion a top-10 to 15 team, especially with PSU in your back yard. Immediately I thought about guys like Cory Cooperman or even a guy like former-Illini Mark Jayne; both of these guys can go with just about any light weight Clarion will have, as well as having previously developed multi-state connections and have proven that they can develop guys. Heck, I have to wonder what Mike Zadick is doing now that he's no longer a Hawkeye AND he's former world silver medalist and Olympian. I have no dog in the fight and wish Troy, Keith and Clarion nothing but the best. I want to see all college wrestling programs do well. The hire just seems exceedingly queer to me on the face of it.
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