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    Gross transferring & SDSU Issues

    Automatic. You're only permitted one D1 to D1 transfer. The second time you go D1 to D1 it is an automatic loss, unless you're doing so as a graduate transfer. The graduate transfer is the only way to do it.
  2. Wasn't the weight class already optional in Dual scoring?
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    Rutgers is the key to ending the PSU dynasty - T/F?

    Do the top programs recruit the best wrestlers to represent their program or do they take the wrestlers that join their program and create the best wrestlers? If the former, then any programs getting better recruits will be a threat. If the latter, then it would be the status quo.
  4. No. Not even a little bit. Clearly this thread isn't going anywhere... If you want to lobby your cause, you can do so. But I have a feeling you'll find that there isn't any support of your position.
  5. The only "We" here are the member schools (Iowa State, UTEP, NC State, etc) who are members of the Association (NCAA). And they have the power to say because it is their association and their teams. Any slot taken by one student-athlete displaces another student-athlete. Schools look out for themselves which includes their own community stakeholders.
  6. It applies the same reason professional league player associations push for minimum salaries based on years of service. The point of these policies is to get more athlete the opportunity to compete. College freshmen have traditionally not been ready to compete. For the longest time college freshmen couldn't even compete at the varsity level. These rules get more people engaged in college athletics. It serves more people and it fits in with the whole college mission. Without a doubt, it would make college sports look bad to have someone playing for ten years. To answer your question of why it exists: Because no one wants it to go away. There's no one that has a problem with it. Great athletes move on to professional opportunities. There are tons of opportunities for people. College is great but people recognize that it is limited and frankly even those who are loving their time don't want to be in that state long term. There is no one pushing for a change. (Note: When I say "no one" I don't mean that you can't find a single person. You can find someone to support any policy issue no matter how crazy it might be. But there is no measurable faction of stakeholders that have ever shown an interest in taking up the issue.)
  7. Me too! And I recognize the freedom of Penn State, UCLA, Rice, Hartford, Georgia Tech, and every other school in the NCAA to get together and agree to create an association where they agree to rules for sports. I also support athletes who maximize their freedom by choosing other options when they don't want to agree to the rules of the NCAA or any other entity. There is no problem with any of the NCAAs policies. You're not entitled to have a school subsidize your participation in sports ever, and especially not in perpetuity.
  8. The schools themselves don't want it. They don't want to keep athletes around long term. They want to move them on. The schools made this policy. Sure, they will try to get a waiver when they have a good athlete who missed two years due to injury. But as a rule, none of the schools want this. They want to serve college students for a limited term.
  9. There are explicit exemptions in the rules for Mormon missions, military service, and the peace corps. Brown used this exemption. The rule is supported by all members because it doesn't actually benefit any one and it is not a loophole that is used for athletic benefit. More athletes are lost to never return to college sports from entering these programs than those who enter them and then return to college sports.
  10. Every student-athlete entering college from high school with the intention of graduating in four years which is the historic (and still current) overwhelming majority of college students. As well as the schools themselves that don't have to try to convince college students to not move on to productive careers outside of college (be athletic or non-athletic) where they can make a living for themselves and their families. Yes, you're missing: Oh... so you're not really looking for answers...
  11. https://ubgivingday.buffalo.edu/giving-day/14282/set/1192 University at Buffalo Day of Giving results for athletics: Rank Department Raised 1 Football Excellence Fund $6,150.00 2 Track and Field/Cross Country $4,295.00 3 Men's Wrestling $2,425.00 4 Men's Basketball Excellence Fund $2,030.87 5 Women's Basketball Excellence Fund $2,002.61 6 Women's Volleyball $1,410.00 7 Intercollegiate Athletic Fund $1,350.00 8 Athletics Capital Projects $1,070.00 9 Men's Tennis $953.00 10 Women's Tennis $830.00 11 Women's Swimming and Diving $550.00 12 Women's Softball $500.00 13 Women's Soccer $300.00 It is interesting when you consider that the "money" sports at Buffalo finished this year as their best seasons across the board and as such you'd expect their to be fan support: Football - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bulls_football#Divisional_championships Men's Basketball - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bulls_men's_basketball#NCAA_Division_I_Tournament Women's Basketball - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Bulls_women's_basketball#NCAA_Division_I_Tournament_appearances
  12. No assigned weight classes allows for athletes to be best matched so that they can wrestle each other based on ability. This makes competition time more efficient. It is a good thing. But schools are free to have weight classes if they want. There are middle school weight classes if schools choose to operate under "Program 1" guidelines. There is no sport that has a modified state tournament. Playoffs are not something that happens in any sport at the middle school level in NY. And you know what, New York is a hotbed of talent in many sports and does just fine. There is no reason to think that New York middle school aged athletes lack for competition. Most athletes wrestle in outside events be it MAWA, NYWay, or USAWrestling events. And those athletes wrestling varsity are getting challenged by the highest level they can get exposed to without having to travel for matches. Middle school wrestling is not a problem. Sure, there would be more high level kids wrestling modified events if they couldn't wrestle in varsity events. But that would likely make high school dual meets less viable and lead to even more forfeits. The fact that there aren't weight classes for modified is great because it eliminates forfeits that happen in dual meets. The level is literally decided to get kids matches against other kids who are like them.
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    What college produces the best freestylers?

    The answer is probably a school that isn't being discussed. If we put a system to judge this, we would probably use college wrestling performance as an indicator of basic wrestling abilities and then see how the freestyle results compare. So what school seems to overachieve in freestyle compared to how they perform in folkstyle?
  14. How is it a problem?
  15. The modified system isn't a problem. I am a big fan of the Program 2 structure where events match athletes rather than using weight classes.
  16. I actually think two divisions has lead to more of an investment into wrestling. Of course, the split in two classes also came with the addition of wild cards and the larger field may have accomplished the same thing. There has been a proposal for a federation championship to bring D1, D2, CHSAA, AIS, and PSAL champions together for an Federation championship following the divisional championships (which would no longer include the associations not in the NYSPHSAA).
  17. There are a few points that should probably be pointed out here. First, while most people call it the NYSPHSAA (New York State Public High School Athletic Association) tournament, they are actually talking about the Federation tournament. The NYSPHAA is an association for member schools which participate through the "sections." The PSAL (NYC Public Schools), CHSAA (Catholic schools), and AIS (Independent schools) are not a part of the NYSPHAA. In some sports there are federation championships where the champions from the NYPHSAA, CHSAA, PSAL, and AIS come together for a tournament to crown the State Federation Champion. The most popular federation championship is in basketball as the NYC publics and Catholics are often national powers. http://nysfederationtournament.com/brackets/ In wrestling, there are actually two tournaments that are held at once through a hybrid tournament with each tournament having two divisions. The two divisions (large school and small school) NYSPHSAA tournament and a NYS Federation tournament also with two divisions which are held at the exact same time. NYSPHSAA place winners are given two awards on the podium--one for their placement in the Federation tournament and one for their placement in the NYSPHSAA tournament. When there is a place winner from the PSAL, CHSAA, or AIS, there are two sets of podium photos taken. One with everyone who competed in the tournament and one with only those who are members of the NYSPHSAA (with everyone who placed behind the Federation athlete moving up the podium). If the champion is from the CHSAA, for instance, and the runner-up is from the NYSPHAA, the NYSPHSAA athlete will have his picture taken in the second place spot and in the champion spot, he will actually be the Federation runner-up and the NYSPHSAA champion. Though when results are posted, everyone only looks at the federation results, despite the event always being referred to as the NYSPHSAA Intersectional championship. This is important because the majority of the NYSPHSAA schools are actually small rural schools. The median BEDS enrollment figure is just over 300 for NYSPHSAA members. The BEDS figure is used for classifying schools and is calculated by taking the enrollment from grades 9-11 for the previous year. So, half of all schools graduate less than 100 students. It is common for a school to have middle and high school students in the same building and even fairly common for K-12 to be in the same building. This is part of the reason for the additional weight class and the inclusion of middle school athletes at the high school level. There are simply many schools where JV or Modified (middle school) programs are not viable on their own. This isn't just for wrestling but in many other sports where it is difficult to field different level programs. As a result, many of these programs are blended together. In other sports you don't really notice too much. But in wrestling where there are weight classes that further divide athletes and prevent them from competing against each other it can be much more noticeable. So the lower weight class was a way to help accommodate this.
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    The fall of Penn State

    https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/21874
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    Where were they? And why?

    https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/2019/01/31/frankie-gissendanner-college-wrestling-rider-university-nysphsaa-champion-penfield-ny/2725571002/
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    U.S. Bank Stadium 2020 NCAA Championships

    In 2021 it is back at St. Louis and then 2022 in Detroit--both venues are the typical arena setup. Why don't we see hot it works at the football stadium before we claim doom and gloom? It isn't like the NCAAs are locked into the next five years of new venue setup.
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    Toughest High School tournament

    I have heard the Afton Quadrangular in Missouri is one of the toughest...
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    Alex Lloyd Leaving SDSU for Rochester CTC

    Often when an athlete transfers to a community college, it is to get their grades in order. But Rochester is in his home state and it is also a technical school so it is possible he just wants to be closer to home or he has decided that he would like technical training rather than an academic focus. Since wrestling gives releases pretty freely, transferring to a two year school to not have to sit a year is not as common in wrestling as it is in basketball and football.
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    Christian "Twitter Fingers" Pyles

    I have marked the section in red From the NCAA's current Division-I Manual that applies to this discussion: 2.8.3.2 Delayed Enrollment—Seasons of Competition. 2.8.3.2.1 Sports Other Than Men’s Ice Hockey, Skiing and Tennis. In sports other than men’s ice hockey, skiing and tennis, a student-athlete who does not enroll in a collegiate institution as a full-time student in a regular academic term during a one-year time period after his or her high school graduation date or the graduation date of his or her class (as determined by the first year of high school enrollment or the international equivalent as specified in the NCAA Guide to International Academic Standards for Athletics Eligibility and based on the prescribed educational path in the student-athlete’s country), whichever occurs earlier, shall be subject to the following: (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/97, Revised: 4/29/04 effective 8/1/04, 4/20/09, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/11 applicable to student-athletes who initially enroll full time in a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/11, 7/31/14) (a) The student-athlete shall be charged with a season of intercollegiate eligibility for each calendar year after the one-year time period (the next opportunity to enroll after one calendar year has elapsed) and prior to full-time collegiate enrollment during which the student-athlete has participated in organized competition per Bylaw 12.02.9. (b) After the one-year time period, if the student-athlete has engaged in competition per Bylaw 12.02.9, on matriculation at the certifying institution, the student-athlete must fulfill an academic year of residence before being eligible to represent the institution in intercollegiate competition. 12.8.3.2.1.1 Exception—National/International Competition. For a maximum of one year after a prospective student-athlete’s first opportunity to enroll full time in a collegiate institution following the one-year time period after his or her high school graduation date or the graduation date of his or her class, whichever occurs earlier, participation in the following organized national/international competition is exempt from application of Bylaw 12.8.3.2.1: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, Revised: 1/14/12, 7/31/14, 4/25/18 effective 8/1/18 applicable to a student-athlete who initially enrolls full time in a collegiate institution on or after 8/1/18) (a) Official Olympic Games, Pan American Games, World Championships, World Cup, World University Games (Universiade) and World University Championships competition or the junior level equivalents (e.g., Youth Olympic Games, U20 World Cup, junior national teams); (b) Officially recognized competition from which participants may directly qualify for final tryouts for a national team that will participate in the Olympic Games, Pan American Games, World Championships, World Cup or World University Games (Universiade), World University Championships or the junior level equivalents (e.g., Youth Olympic Games, U20 World Cup, junior national teams) and final tryout competition from which participants are selected for such teams; or (c) Official competition involving a national team sponsored by the appropriate national governing body of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation). 12.8.3.2.1.2 Service Exceptions. Participation in organized competition during time spent in the armed services, on official religious missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government is exempt from the application of Bylaw 12.8.3.2.1. (Adopted: 4/25/18 may be applied retroactively to a student-athlete with eligibility remaining in his or her five-year period of eligibility)
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    Christian "Twitter Fingers" Pyles

    The NCAA's little blurb is correct. It is correct that athletes have a five year clock to complete four years of eligibility. But @GockeS took that to mean something completely different. Basically he applied the NAIA's method of calculating eligibility. Probably because he has heard it said before.
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    Christian "Twitter Fingers" Pyles

    That’s not correct.
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