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  1. npope

    Hair Cut

    Thanks for the image. While violations as to the length of the hair are a little hard to be certain from this photo, I do think that there likely was a violation of the rules - the kid needed a trim or should have been required to use the appropriate equipment. Some ref/s would seem to be screwing up by not properly applying the rule (assuming he isn't using required netting/headgear)...much like the 20 previous refs that took care of Johnson's matches (who supposedly let Johnson go without requiring the proper equipment or a trim) leading up to the match in question. So, anything else on this "white privilege" thing?
  2. npope

    Hair Cut

    If his hair length violates the rules, e.g. past his shoulders, below his ears, and/or lower than his eyebrows then yes, he should have to cut his hair. Care to locate a picture of him without his head gear on to show us his egregiously long hair that violates those standards?
  3. npope

    Hair Cut

    Again, you don't respond with specific examples of what was racist in that scenario. Rather, you respond with hypothetical motives which are not supported by any evidence in this situation. I sincerely don't get that rationale unless someone is intent on predetermining that it was a racist incident - regardless as to what the facts support.
  4. npope

    Hair Cut

    So, based on allegation that he once uttered aloud the n-word (which he neither claims nor disavows), you consider that as factual evidence that he, in a racist manner, enforced the wrestling hair net rule? Because that is what was asked of you, what about the specific incident in question was racist. Your answer is that he possibly uttered the n-word in a completely different setting at a different time so that is evidence that this incident is a manifestation of his racist bias. Think about that for a minute, please.
  5. npope

    Hair Cut

    That would be fine by me - I like well written rules. You see, there are at least two different issues (actually more) being debated in this thread. One particular group is arguing that the personal domain of a kid should not be invaded, it should be respected - period. Another group is arguing that established rules should be adhered to because... (the rationale for that position has been varied on this thread). Then people begin to mistakenly "cross-debate" with individuals who aren't even debating the same point. Without some clarity as to what the issue at hand is, e.g., some clarity of thought that could perhaps be ensconced in a rule perhaps, confusion and chaos ensues. Rules serve the purpose of providing guidance so that all involved have the same understanding and expectations for certain behavior. Once an established rule is randomly ignored, confusion takes the place of ordered behavior. Personally, I don't think a 65 mph speed limit is reasonable on some roads I drive, so I drive 75 when no one else is around. Would anyone think I have the "moral" high ground on this point when I argue with a cop who stops me when I explain that it is a dumb law and that I should be allowed to use my common sense regarding my speed? Of course, we all know you don't win that debate because the rule is the rule. I knew in advance that if I broke the rule there would be a penalty. After the fact, it does not matter whether the speed limit is appropriate or not - you pay the penalty. And if you really don't like the speed limit, you lobby the authorities to change it going forward.
  6. npope

    Hair Cut

    I answered your question. If your question isn't the one you wanted answered then please form a better question next time.
  7. npope

    Hair Cut

    You seem to be taking this rather personal, leshismore; "sanctimonious"? Really? The best written rules have very little wiggle room for interpretation. Consider for example a rule that states that the hair net must be attached to the headgear in a previously described and approved manner. That would seem to constraint interpretation; that's what well-written rules are intended to do. And yes, refs sometimes make "bad" calls. It might be a misinterpretation of a rule, it may be the lack of enforcement of a rule as written, etc. It happens on occasion - I guess I don't understand your point on this one. Refs should make every effort not to make "bad" calls, i.e., deviate from the rules as written. Without enforcement of the rules as written nobody can know exactly how to proceed. Don't you agree? As for "they," it refers to the body of statements and rules contained in the rule book.
  8. npope

    Hair Cut

    Then can you please identify the aspect of the original incident in question that is racist. The ref may, or may not, be a racist, but his attitudes of race would seem to have no bearing on enforcing the rules in the same manner as other refs. You assume that just because the ref and kid of different races that it is racially motivated. That is about the "weakest" argument I have ever heard.
  9. npope

    ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident

    Simply stunning, isn't it? Seriously.
  10. npope

    Hair Cut

    It would seem that you are in favor of the ref applying "common sense" as opposed to applying the "letter of the rule." Okay - fair enough, let's allow the ref to apply his/her own judgment to the rules. Suppose a ref believes that a half-pound difference in weight between two competitors does not give one wrestler a competitive advantage over his opponent so the ref allows a "fudge factor" for competitors during weigh ins - actually making weight not longer matters, just get close and we'll call it good. How does that sound as far as applying common sense? Seems absurd, doesn't it? That's what you are asking for when you suggest that refs should begin to apply their own discretion to the rules. They are rules for a reason and all competitors are asked to conform to the same set to make everything as fair as possible. Once you start allowing refs to pick and choose what rules to apply and how to apply them you destroy the whole purpose of rules; it is only then the system becomes unfair. Yes, yes, change bad rules, but until that time, everyone should follow the rules as written.
  11. npope

    ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident

    Any coincidence in the timing of the rise of females in the sport and the introduction of hair netting rules? Perhaps the rule was initially aimed at issues more pronounced in female wrestling but the rationale was deemed equally appropriate for males (some of whom wanted to keep their long locks)? Certainly, some rules might infringe upon an individual's personal beliefs, e.g wrestling on the weekend, etc. But with regard to the issue of long hair, I think wrestling has done a good job of accommodating any individual who has, and wants to keep, his or her long hair and still compete. This should be a non-issue, IMO.
  12. npope

    ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident

    Well, I am fine with Katie closing out his/her contribution to this thread because there is obviously some mental block going on with him/her. S/He simply can't grasp the notion that there are additional rules in place that grant the ref final authority over anything that isn't "right," according to the rule book. I really don't know what Katie has been struggling with these last couple of thread pages. Anyway...
  13. npope

    ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident

    Do you agree that there is a rule that states that all competitors must report to the mat prepared to wrestle? And "prepared to wrestle" means having the correct equipment, etc. If yes, who exactly do you think that rule appoints as the enforcer of that rule? The time keeper? The score keeper? Maybe the ref? If you don't think such a rule exists I am sure someone would be helpful enough to bring it to our attention.
  14. npope

    ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident

    So let me ask Katie this question. Assume a ref forgot to check the length of a competitor's fingernails at the weigh in and then, upon reporting to the score's table prior to the actual match it can be seen that the wrestler's fingernails are long and sharp like claws. At that point, everyone, including the ref, is powerless to intercede and prevent the match from continuing? What you are arguing is that, according to the rule book, the ref has one, and only one, opportunity to do a physical examination of the competitors - after that the ref is obliged to just let the match happen. Everyone else here is saying that isn't the case; there are additional rules in place that require certain standards be met before a match takes place, but you are saying "no" - you are arguing that there was but one moment when the ref had the chance to make a call and that in this instance, he missed it. Please think about the position you are taking on this issue and ask yourself whether that makes any sense.
  15. npope

    ESPN reporting on wrestling referee incident

    Nat Pope, PhD, professor (npope) at the University of North Texas (evidently pedigrees and cited source matter in this debate on a wrestling forum) I described exactly how I performed my search and the amount of time spent doing so. Therefore, you should know exactly how "hard" I looked. As previously stated, I read the top few definitions presented in that search (about five of them) - none of those results included anything of the nature you provide above; I have only stated the facts as I experienced them. Indeed, there are (evidently) a multitude of definitions of racism. For you to uncover one (or even three) that happen to align with your predisposition on the topic and present it as the preeminent definition of the term is disingenuous and misleading. I am not saying anyone is wrong on their respective definitions but rather, no one is no more correct than any other. To your credit, I will say that you do have a solid basis for your stated understanding and opinion - far more than most can say on the forum.
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