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OldGrappler last won the day on July 26 2018

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  1. He briefly locked around the neck without an arm included. Illegal headlock.
  2. I agree with Old Cougar and Milkovich. Most of the holds today that score back points are tilts, and really not pinning holds. (Gets away from the original topic, but a lot of the four point "near falls" that I see are in no way, shape or form worth two takedowns.) Combine that with bottom wrestlers understanding that they cannot afford higher risk moves for reversals that might end up with the referee "swiping" four points on them, or even a quick two points, and you get a lot more conservative bottom wrestling tactics. Get to your feet, and stay up, and the top man almost has to let you go to avoid a stalling call.
  3. Not enough first-hand knowledge of the team to know if Merkin or Keller or whom will be in the lineup for EIWAs.
  4. Princeton's 149 against Penn was Lenny Merkin, who is now a grad student.
  5. That is a problem shared by a lot of people, including many refs, who call it like its 90 degrees when it isn't . Someone can be effectively "on his back" for many seconds, but if he continually flops or moves so that he's never there (below45 degrees) for a full two (or four) seconds there should be no back points awarded. My personal observation is the ref's never call it that way, and if a guy flops back and forth between 80 degrees one way and 80 degrees the other way, the opponent gets a cheap four points. Bring back Sol Israel. That stuff shouldn't count the same as two takedowns.
  6. It has some staff that seems to have come from IMG academy backgrounds. Appears to be owned by some private equity investors out of Maryland. I'm not sure how the IMG model works, but you can't give everyone a scholarship or the numbers won't work. Someone has to pay tuition.
  7. Here's some food for thought, or at least speculation. Stanford enrollment per class: about 1,600 Cornell enrollment per class: about 3,200 Stanford is about 48% male, so you have about 850 males per class. Stanford's percentage of students with under 600 SAT scores (per math or verbal section) is about 2-4%, so in the range of 17-34 males per class in that category. You can be fairly certain that many of those are on the football roster. The conclusion is that there is not going to be a lot of academic slack in admissions for wrestlers. And in a school that's half the size of Cornell, but has to support big time football competitiveness, admissions slack is harder to come by. Of course, Stanford's academic standing is higher than Cornell's and it has the attraction of exposure to the west coast (offset by the distance to get there from the prospective recruiting areas). Having said that, there are enough high achieving wrestlers nationwide to fill up the rosters at the Ivy's, and Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, UVa and Michigan. And Koll knows where and who they are. And they know him. The issue will be getting them to come to Palo Alto instead of staying in the East or Midwest, which is likely closer to home. But Palo Alto is easier to travel to from a distance than is Cornell, if you're traveling by air. If he has scholarship money available, it will give him a leg up on the Ivys with respect to students from upper income families.
  8. Older generation, but Ed Ott, who caught for the Pirates and others was a PA runner-up. He later showed his wrestling ability in an infamous, short brawl at second base after Felix Millan of the Mets pushed a baseball in his face and Ott double legged him and came down hard on Millan shoulder. There are phots of this if you google. I was watching the game and instantly knew he had wrestled. Ott was also a coach at Houston when there was a bench clearing brawl and he headlocked and held Rob Dibble of the Reds to keep him calm.
  9. Gray Simons showed a set up for a drag like this back in the late 60s at a wrestling that I attended. It was far more subtle and effective than what is seen in the Judo video above. It involved a forearm-forearm tie where the other guy is fighting to have the "inside" tie. You just make a very tight circle with your forearm and guide his hand past you as you hit the drag. But the finish was the same. You stepped in with your right foot and pulled the guy past (although you were really pulling yourself in more than planting and pulling him past). It worked pretty well, and you could get it on decent guys. It did require a little quickness. There's another variation where you don't go down to your hip, but step in the same way mostly standing up, using the drag to pull yourself in. In that variation, you have to release the drag quickly and shoot your right hand (or elbow) across the guy's waist, tripping him backwards with your right foot behind his right foot. If you don't release the drag and get your arm across, you get redragged. The drag can be very effective. I can't find the video, so my memory can't be confirmed, but I think I remember Dylan Long of NIU using a slick setup on Teyon Ware. Long was looking for you to grab his lower forearm or wrist which was collar-tied on your neck. He then just dropped his collar tie down and used it to lead your hand across and into the cleared position to hit a drag. Very subtle. I can't remember if he got the takedown or not. Hope I'm remembering the right guy. In any case, using the other guy's control to lead his hand where you want it is a big part of hitting drags.
  10. For those interested, here's the Berkeley paper referred to above. If you're not a stat/academic geek, just read the last two paragraphs. http://www.jaspe.ac.me/clanci/JASPE_July_2018_Monson_3-8.pdf
  11. I know of a kid who was 6'3", and whose fingertip to fingertip was 80". Was a good baseball pitcher. Having a couple of inches of extra length on your arms helps a lot, I think, especially if some of that is in hand size/finger length, which helps your grip. As far as the fireplug issue goes, I think some of the shorter, stockier guys have an easier time lowering their level to clear the defender's hands on shots. Its all in how you use it. I do think that longer arms are a big advantage for the guy on top. It always appeared to me that Dake had this trait.
  12. On one level, this is correct. But it's probably more accurate to say that it is viewed as a sport that can be sacrificed for the sake of competitiveness in the sports that "matter". From our point of view, that probably doesn't make any difference. We've known this to be the case for several decades now. Stanford has the problem shared by Northwestern and Duke, and in part by a few others (Vanderbilt) that are high academic schools in big-time sports conferences. Their description of their reasoning seems to be that they want to focus resources on competing at a high level in football and basketball, and that these are reasonable trade-offs to make. They think of themselves as elite, and they don't like being in the middle of the pack in the high visibility athletics. I was surprised to learn that Stanford wasn't using the full 9.9 scholarships. That's probably because you can find some high level competent wrestlers from higher income families who will pay the jacked-up full freight price for a Stanford degree instead of taking a full or partial scholarship from whomever.
  13. Williams college has announced that they are cutting their price by 15% for this year. It's obviously an attempt to maximize the number of full-pay and near-full-pay students who will show up with their parents' checkbook this fall. It's a window into what every institution is dealing with. Except that Williams has a lot more resources than most schools. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-29/williams-college-cuts-price-15-cancels-sports-in-virus-tumult
  14. Not sure if you want this to apply to only champions. When Kevin Jack of NC State made his mark as a freshman, he beat the #5 Dziewa, the #12 Ward, and the #4 Carter to make the semis where he lost to Stieber. In each of the first three matches, he gave up the first takedown and came back to win. Lost to Heil in the Consolations after defeating him in the dual at Raleigh. Coming back after losing the first takedown isn't particularly impressive in any single match, but doing it in three consecutive matches at that level gets some attention.
  15. I suppose we'll have to wait for the facts to come out through some law firm, and then we'll be able to make a judgement.... or not. Meanwhile Meyer is on leave, whatever that means for a top 10 football coach in August.
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