Jump to content

OldGrappler

Members
  • Content Count

    122
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    2

Posts posted by OldGrappler


  1. Gray Simons showed a set up for a drag like this back in the late 60s at a wrestling that I attended.    It was far more subtle and effective than what is seen in the Judo video above.   It involved a forearm-forearm tie where the other guy is fighting to have the "inside" tie.  You just make a very tight circle with your forearm and guide his hand past you as you hit the drag.  

    But the finish was the same.  You stepped in with your right foot and pulled the guy past (although you were really pulling yourself in more than planting and pulling him past).

    It worked pretty well, and you could get it on decent guys.  It did require a little quickness.

     

    There's another variation where you don't go down to your hip, but step in the same way mostly standing up, using the drag to pull yourself in.  In that variation, you have to release the drag quickly and shoot your right hand (or elbow) across the guy's waist, tripping him backwards with your right foot behind his right foot.   If you don't release the drag and get your arm across, you get redragged. 

     

    The drag can be very effective.  I can't find the video, so my memory can't be confirmed,  but I think I remember Dylan Long of NIU using a slick setup on Teyon Ware.  Long was looking for you to grab his lower forearm or wrist which was collar-tied on your neck.  He then just dropped his collar tie down and used it to lead your hand across and into the cleared position to hit a drag.  Very subtle.  I can't remember if he got the takedown or not.  Hope I'm remembering the right guy.  In any case, using the other guy's control to lead his hand where you want it is a big part of hitting drags. 


  2. I know of a kid who was 6'3", and whose fingertip to fingertip was 80".   Was a good baseball pitcher.

    Having a couple of inches of extra length on your arms helps a lot, I think, especially if some of that is in hand size/finger length, which helps your grip. 

    As far as the fireplug issue goes,  I think some of the shorter, stockier guys have an easier time lowering their level to clear the defender's hands on shots.

    Its all in how you use it.  I do think that longer arms are a big advantage for the guy on top.   It always appeared to me that Dake had this trait. 


  3. Quote

    For the exception of volleyball & field hockey, wrestling was grouped with sports that most didn’t even know existed.  Really, sailing, light weight rowing!  Stanford is one of the most prestigious universities in the world and the people that run that school are smart, successful, and have a lot of influence beyond the campus. Essentially this group said, “Wrestling is one of the sports no one gives a darn about!”

    On one level, this is correct.  But it's probably more accurate to say that it is viewed as a sport that can be sacrificed for the sake of competitiveness in the sports that "matter".   From our point of view, that probably doesn't make any difference.  We've known this to be the case for several decades now. 

    Stanford has the problem shared by Northwestern and Duke, and in part by a few others (Vanderbilt) that are high academic schools in big-time sports conferences.  Their description of their reasoning seems to be that they want to focus resources on competing at a high level in football and basketball, and that these are reasonable trade-offs to make.  They think of themselves as elite, and they don't like being in the middle of the pack in the high visibility athletics. 

    I was surprised to learn that Stanford wasn't using the full 9.9 scholarships.  That's probably because you can find some high level competent wrestlers from higher income families who will pay the jacked-up full freight price for a Stanford degree instead of taking a full or partial scholarship from whomever. 

     

     


  4. Williams college has announced that they are cutting their price by 15% for this year.

    It's obviously an attempt to maximize the number of full-pay and near-full-pay students who will show up with their parents' checkbook this fall. 

    It's a window into what every institution is dealing with.  Except that Williams has a lot more resources than most schools. 

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-29/williams-college-cuts-price-15-cancels-sports-in-virus-tumult


  5. Not sure if you want this to apply to only champions.

    When Kevin Jack of NC State made his mark as a freshman, he beat the #5  Dziewa,  the #12 Ward, and the #4 Carter to make the semis where he lost to Stieber.   In each of the first three matches, he gave up the first takedown and came back to win.  Lost to Heil in the Consolations after defeating him in the dual at Raleigh. 

    Coming back after losing the first takedown isn't particularly impressive in any single match, but doing it in three consecutive matches at that level gets some attention. 

     


  6. If you know that one of your employees, co-workers, coaches etc... is beating his wife, you should probably report that individual to the authorities.  If you know that individual has a history of beating the wife, and you are presented with additional instances of it occurring on your watch &  you fail to notify the appropriate folks...you should be immediately fired.  Then, you should go talk with a priest, counselor, pastor etc...to try and understand why you are such a disgusting human being.  

     

    If its that clearcut, fine.  In the instance we have being reported, the police were apparently involved in the earliest incidence.  I'm not sure exactly how someone should handle reports of things that he doesn't witness firsthand, especially if the victim is not willing to corroborate the story.  Obviously domestic violence issues are problematic because if the wife reports abuse, her husband loses his job.  That makes the whole situation a bit tricky to handle. 

     

    As if this situation weren't messy enough, it now appears that James O Keefe, (the undercover candid camera guy who is ignored by the mainstream media usually) has just published some "interviews" with former Urban Meyer players from Florida who have non-flattering things to say about him as a coach.  It's on the project veritas website.  Not sure why he cared about any of this. 

     

    I'm not a fan of Ohio State generally, but I'm finding all of this surprising. 


  7. I thought the golf handshake was a bit too quick, and delivered "on the fly" as he was leaving.  Not good form for that game.

     

    In wrestling,  I think the before and after shake is good and upholds a sense of honor and respect for the opponent and the competition. 

     

    I will say that its a bit humorous to see the kids (even up through high school) who get the idea that you have to shake the guy's hand every time there's a fresh start in the center.  


  8. Its an interesting topic, and begs for some definition.

     

    Certainly the rise of scramble positions is one of the technical hallmarks.  I didn't keep up with the sport much in the 80s and 90s, and was very surprised when I was getting back up to speed in the late 90s.  I've wondered ever since what the genesis of these scramble positions was, and the only theory that I've come up with is that its a logical outgrowth of the low-single popularity started by John Smith.  Smith makes the point that the aim of the low single is to stop the sprawl (since your foot is caught at the ankle and the attacker's head is leveraging your knee.) 

     

    So if you're attacked and can't sprawl, you either concede the td, or you go over the top and grab whatever's there to work with.  Once that became necessary more often, ingenuity began to operate and people came up with different techniques.  

     

    In addition to the rise in scramble positions, the proliferation of cheap back points has had a big impact, imo.  I doubt that there is one ref in 20 that calls the 45 degree criteria for near fall points, let alone counts to five correctly.   The additional point for the longer near fall is having an impact too, although its too soon to identify it. 

     

    The increase in communications and internet video has helped increase the competence of younger wrestlers, and the decline in D1 programs has raised the bar for which hs wrestlers are able to join a roster. 

     

    Not sure what other phenomena are hallmarks of the modern era, but those are some that I see.  


  9. We'll see when the final report is issued.  Of course, they (Perkins Cole) don't have to do any dirty work on Jordan directly.  They can use the journalistic establishment to do that.

     

    In any case, I think the point to be made is that the law firm doing the official investigation for OSU is one that is likely holding a quite antagonistic posture toward the former national champ.

     

    I'm planning to stay tuned. 


  10. The Wall Street Journal today has a short piece that wonders why Jordan would have encouraged his relatives to attend tOSU if he thought it was a den of "abuse".  

     

    The more interesting part of the article notes that the law firm (Perkins Cole) hired by tOSU to investigate the allegations against the doctor is the same law firm that facilitated the payment from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign to the group that assembled the discredited "Trump" dossier that was used in seeking the improper surveillance warrants.

     

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/perkins_coie_hired_company_that_compiled_trump_dossier_on_behalf_of_clinton/

     

    Unlikely that that particular firm is going to do anything other than attempt to inflct some primary or collateral damage on Jordan.  


  11. I'm not sure what the right prescription is.   Times have changed.   I grew up in Western Pa, and our hs had two winter sports--basketball, and wrestling, which started when I was a sophomore.   Now our high school has swimming, and hockey.   Most of the schools in the area now offer soccer in the fall, and some have winter track, as well as lacrosse in the spring. 

     

    For the kids in the median and below size category (I was one), wrestling still gives the best opportunity for a "fair" chance at success.  But for median and above sized kids, there are opportunities and pressures that weren't there decades ago.  There are other sports in the winter, and more pressure from the fall and spring sports to do off-season development and conditioning work. 

     

    Wrestling also suffers from not being a team sport where substitutions are possible.  (Baseball has the same issue.)  You're not going to get into the contest in high school unless you can win the spot for the weight class.   Which brings up another issue, which is the weight control aspect.  It's a serious negative for most parents, and, ironically, it probably affects the lightweights more than the upper weights.  Parents of a kid who is small in stature are loathe to see him controlling his calorie intake.  It's understandable.

     

    I do think the weekend competitions might be able to be shortened.  The only point that I'd make is that in watching the grade school and middle school competitions,  my observation is that the matchups and competition you get at the larger weekend events is much better than what usually happens in most "duals".  In the duals, maybe a third of the matches are decently competitive matchups, and I'd say two thirds of them are mismatches in skill or strength that wind up being completely one-sided.  It simply happens because of the difficulty of matching two teams of say, thirty kids each spread across three or four grades.  I had an eighth grader one year that no one could handle.  I used to describe him to the other coaches by saying "he's a lean 160 pound eighth grader".   At the larger tournaments, there would be one or two other kids like him, but usually not on another team that was close to us to wrestle duals. 

     

    I'm long on observations here and short on solutions, but not sure what can be done.  


  12. If a poor kid is talented and a winner in the right state, his credibility is there for all to see.  PA and NJ kids don't need to go to Super 32 or Fargo to validate what their hs record says.  Neither do the Ohio kids.  

     

    But if you're from a non-top wrestling state, you probably need some wins against kids from those states, and you'll need to get to Fargo and other venues to get them.


  13. There is a different standard for control at the edge than is used in the center of the mat.  I was discussing this once with a pretty good North Jersey hs coach and he immediately brought up Oliver-Steiber.  If that non-takedown had happened at the edge with Oliver's feet in bound, he gets the two.   Middle of the mat and its no takedown, or at least open to interpretation, and that is what happened. 


  14. No revenue plus no fan base equals good bye wrestling.

     

     

    It probably is as simple as that when you are under the gun to cut your budget by a large amount.   If cutting a sport won't reduce the applications to your school, (especially the ones from full tuition payers), the school is always going to have that sport in its sights.   So goodbye swimming, and two others as well. 

     

    The revenue part of it comes into play slightly, but not that much, imo.  Other than football and basketball, what sports at any school produce any revenue? 

     

    The fan base issue is interesting though.  I do think that the decades long drop off in dual meets in favor of tournaments and quads helps the student body to ignore the wrestling teams.  Maybe that doesn't matter.  Just another factor in a long list. 


  15. I know Princeton is IVY and does not give scholarships, Rutgers being in the B1G allows for more exposure and more money for the program.

     

     

    The ivys don't award athletic scholarships, but they have generous financial aid polices that will surprise most recruit families who are in the broad middle class. 

     

    Price calculators on the various schools sites will give you a very good idea of what your family's cost will be, and they're anonymous and your don't have to give your name or email to find out the cost to you.  For example:    https://admission.princeton.edu/cost-aid/financial-aid-estimator


  16. Decades ago, John Abajace was an 88 pounder as a hs freshman (WPIAL district only), 103 PIAA champ sophomore, 120 pound PIAA runner up as junior, and 133 lb section finalist loser as a senior (only winners advanced then).  He ended up at Michigan State where he was a two time BigTen finalist, one time champ, at 152 and 150.

     

    Jack Bentz of Lehigh won the Plebe tournament at 137 in March of his freshman year, and the following December opened the season at 177.

     

    I'd say that post-grad weight gains are different, in that the body is more mature and the natural growth gains are gone.  You can still force it with resistance training and diet, but its different than what happens between say age 15 and 22.  


  17. The good news is HS football is going to die d/t the brain injury problem.

     

    Though I agree with most of the post, I don't see that as good news in any case.

     

    If football dies,  it's not going to die because of the injury situation.  Its going to die because of the social justice warrior war on football, abetted by the journalist community.  That group disdains any combative sport.   If they get football, wrestling won't be far behind.  Hockey and lacrosse will be in their sights too.  

     

    They're part of a group of people who want to decide everything for everyone, so that nothing can occur without their permission, or  license.  They are quite strong, relentless, and have powerful allies in journalism and media. 

     

    One of my favorite quotes about (pro) football, from Bill Parcells (apparently borrowed from Eugene McCarthy) , applies equally to wrestling.  He said "The problem with football is you have to be smart enough to understand it, and dumb enough to think its important."   In other words, it has to have intrinsic value in your eyes.

     

    If you don't think that wrestling "makes you somebody", you'll never put up with the grind that it is.  I'm not sure we've found the approach to combat the idea that being a wrestler makes you someone that you don't (or shouldn't)  want to be.  Good coaches at all levels are the best answer to this, I suppose.  I'm not sure what else is.   At a minimum, it would be good if the combative sports weren't at war with each other. 

×
×
  • Create New...