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  1. I don't really love the idea of speculation about why someone doesn't quite measure up to the expectations of a group of us who spend time on these boards. There are many possible reasons, and they only matter to the wrestler and his coach and teammates. Everyone has his own problems and issues, and life's not fair. Stuff happens..... and if you really want to make wrestling your #1 priority, you have to make sure you have all your other priorities under control also, or they come up at inopportune times and interfere with wrestling. I hope Marshall is able to realize his wrestling goals, and to ultimately look back on his career and last year with no regrets. I have regrets about my own wrestling experience, (and I wasn't in the same league as someone with his talent), but I think I've learned a lot from reflecting on it and what I might say to my young self if I could travel back in time. Right now he just needs to keep up his competitive spirit as best he can and be ready whenever the time comes. Good luck to him.
  2. I cannot verify this, but it seems unlikely to have been made up. Our hs heavyweight wrestler became a teacher and then a principal in Western Pa. At one point he was coaching or helping and had a young black kid trying to wrestle (for some reason). He had noticed that the youngster always looked at the basketball players with great attention, and finally told him maybe he ought to forget about wrestling and go try what he really wanted to do. It turned out that the young man was the late Armen Gilliam, who played in the NBA for 13 years. I'm sure there is someone else here from the South Hills area who might know this story also.
  3. Most of the cross-face cradles I see don't have the bottom man broken down. He's usually posted up on his far leg to keep from being driven over with the crossface and a near leg lift. This is part of what sets up the crossface cradle lock-up.....the guy bracing with his far leg, exposing the knee. Also, he's usually got his head down and there's no room or ability for him to sit underneath to get upright. I think a better question is why don't those wrestlers learn to "unthread" the cross face grip on their far triceps? If the top guy hits your left triceps for the cross face anchor, you need to instantly "thread" your left hand/forearm underneath and around his (right) elbow in a counterclockwise circular motion, and then straighten your left arm, which will cause his grip to slip off. Its a counter intuitive reaction, so it has to be practiced. If you "post" on the arm he attacks, he'll pull it under and get it extended, at which point you can't get it threaded through and you're in trouble.
  4. I can't say how much I agree with this point. If I'm ahead, he's losing, and its not because of anything other than that I've beaten him to that point in the match. I still have to fairly engage the guy, but its incumbent on him, if he'd like to win, to attack me. If I stay engaged, and he can't successfully attack, he loses. What's happened in wrestling over the last couple decades is that it's become "illegal" to ride the guy. This has led to top wrestlers instantly letting the bottom guy go when they're warned for stalling....because you almost have to. If you continue to ride and get called again, its another free point, plus, now you really have to let him go because no one can afford that second stalling point.....partly because of the point, but also because it puts you into the 2-point penalty situation. Given that, the logical thing has been to let the guy go if you get or anticipate a warning for stalling.
  5. I think I understand the "oil check" issue, but the other issue sounds to me like you want to ban a rear crotch or "buttdrag". To me that's part of wrestling (hooking, not "squeezing"). Years ago uniforms were different and we didn't wrestle without support garments, and we had jock, tights, shirt buttoned through crotch, and overtights to mitigate the contact. Maybe today's different, but rear crotch rides were a regular part of the game. No one complained. I guess it just depends on the specifics of the situation.
  6. If he throws 133, the athletic director will be in touch with the baseball coach shortly. (The AD is Bobby Valentine).
  7. The sport is a lot different if all of your competition is as good as you are, and has access to the same coaching. I know that the hs studs today usually have competitive schedules, but its not the same is coming into the Big10, or even the EIWA, for that matter. Layer on academic requirements and the distractions of being 20 in a college environment and it might be surprising that there aren't even more "disappointments".
  8. Oliver I was quite frustrated with a lack of offense/urgency, but was coming around to the idea that it was a replay of Olivers' freshman HS year, where he was an underweight 103 (by a lot). He did look materially smaller than Chamberlain. Under 10 seconds......Easton shrug. 2. [i don't think Oliver knows it should be called an Easton shrug. :)] (Steiber got one as well)
  9. I was watching the match and was surprised at that call. Frankly I think he was hit for stalling because the ref thought the Minnesota wrestler deserved some help based on his "aggressive" countershooting, and being able to move forward. Any implication that Durso wasn't wrestling throughout that match is bogus. He was after the MN wrestler the whole time. I know that some like that "beat-on-the-head=and-push-him" style, but there is more to than that. You actually have to get in on a shot and finish it, and Dardannes couldn't, or didn't. But it was a close contest.
  10. Coaches make evaluation mistakes all the time, although I think that in wrestling we see fewer of them because of the one-on-one direct contact nature of the sport. Yankee centerfielder Brett Gardner was cut instantly by his college coaches. There are lots of other examples too. I agree with the idea that it wasn't so surprising that Iowa and OSU didn't recruit Robles. At least Smith noted that if he had it to do over again with today's hindsight, he would. I think Robles success does give you some insight into the sport. The basic message is that power is extremely important, and if you are stronger than the other fellow, it makes a big difference. You could see in Robles' matches that once he got the wrist even from neutral, the opponent wasn't getting it back.
  11. I thought this to be one of the best wrestling articles I've ever read. Very knowledgeable, and the parts that aren't perfect are instantly forgiveable. This writer is terrific. As far as the Brands and Smith references in the article, they are interesting, and probably in character for what most people already thing about each of them. Its not a big part of the story. The more interesting and unexplored aspect would be why did Drexel or even ASU bother to offer anything. Who was the coach at Drexel at that time?
  12. Anyone remember the (not very popular) sasahara headgear? I think I'm remembering that name correctly. It looked a little like a kamikaze pilot helmet, and had strings that tied under your chin. Circa late 60s.
  13. Wore converse chuck taylors in high school (black canvas uppers). Got the TIgers in college, although ours were all leather. Caels photo show shoes that appeared beginning in the early-mid 70's, with the nylon uppers.
  14. The move against Smith by Rohn in the '02 was the "off-your-back" cement job. Rohn did it from seated as Smith was in on a double leg. So it was not at all the same as the "mixer" or "concrete special" rolling cement job that he used to complete the finals victory over Lambrecht. I bought the 2002 semis dvd so I could see exactly what he did (as well as to see Parker beat Otto Olson). The bottom line from a coaching standpoint is to teach your wrestlers to never permit the opponent to control your head using your chin. You are literally always in deep peril from that position, even when it seems like the other man is on his back. Ness is a lot like Schalles. He is trying to stick you from whereever he is, in whatever position. There have been a handful of wrestlers like this, and they are feared. They don't let go of things like normal wrestlers do, and you can get "stuck" at any time from any position. Ness's move is really an off-your-back straight cement job. The elevator gets you enough room and position to finish it. Ness did kind of jump up to his feet briefly to reposition to hit it. Another example of that move(initiated as a counter, from the feet) is the Gilbert vs Brands match in the Big 10 final in the early 90's. It is on youtube and is the very first takedown. Brands did a helluva job surviving that move.
  15. Ness's move is called a flying cement job in the East. Normally hit from standing. He almost got it last year against Molinaro. This year he initiated it from his back, but "cheated" a little by getting up to his feet before he really sat under and put the pressure on it to get it. A cement job is simply the bar arm and chancery (underhook and the chin, or cowcatcher for you westerners). A cement mixer is a rolling cement job, also known as a "concrete special" in Pa district 11. Rob Rohn of Lehigh hit exactly the same move as Ness in the 2002 semifinals against Jesmin Smith of Iowa. Same result too. Jeremy Hunter of Penn State threw it against Abas in his first trip to the finals in 99 (I think). He was down 2-1 when he attempted it from standing to counter the leg attack that Abas had. Abas held on and came out with the takedown, 2 back points, and a 6-1 advantage. That put the match out of reach. Oliver came from a high school district (Pa D 11) where these moves are standard. Doesn't mean he couldn't get stuck, but that is not the way to bet.
  16. The mets have familiarity with central Pa wrestlers. In '77 they lost their second baseman, Felix Millan, for the season when he took exception to a hard slide by Pirate catcher Ed Ott, from Muncy, Pa. Millan punched Ott in the face with the ball, and Ott tapped him right between the eyes, and double-legged him, and then then returned him to the ground. Millan's collarbone didn't survive the return to the mat. I was watching on tv, and immediately thought....that guy must have wrestled. Indeed, Ott was state runnerup in the mid 70's to Bayoucus from Mt Lebanon. In researching my dates, I found an interesting column that starts with a picture of Willy Mays getting a pretty good throw on some infielder. Imagine if Willy had grown up in Pa or Iowa or Oklahoma!!!! http://metsmerizedonline.com/2010/01/we ... -town.html
  17. Your brain has four blood "feeds"-----a left and right carotid artery, and a left and right vertebral artery. In a perfectly formed human, they go into a small, inner-tube shaped circle ["circle of willis"] at the base of your brain, and then the brain is supplied by offshoots from this circle. You can find pictures of this system in anatomy books. The circle is supposed to provide redundancy so that if blood is cut-off from one or more supply source, the others can supply everything that is needed through the circle. The two vertebral arteries are inside your vertebrae and can't get shut off from pressure, but that isn't true of the two carotids. Here is the point to be made: There is remarkable variation in the perfection of this circle and the systems. Well over 50% of humans seem to have malformations of the circle system, which means that shutting off one person's left carotid might have nearly no effect, while shutting off the same carotid on another person can put him unconscious very quickly. I know this stuff because my father had some stroke symptoms and I did a little studying before meeting with the doctor. I had to point out to the doctor on the MRI that there appeared to be a "missing" artery, which he apparently hadn't noticed, as well as discontinuities in Dad's "circle". It seems that even most doctors are unaware of the degree of variation from "design". Any MD's out there, please chime in. But I don't think Flemings move works because of choking. If you get into it, it puts tremendous pressure on the back of your neck. Unbelievable, in fact. However,.....if you shift the forearm enough, you can get into a choke situation. It needs to be watched carefully. http://www.mgoblue.com/allaccess/?sport=m-wrestl The Massa interview contains highlights of the match against Harger, showing the move. From those limited clips, its certainly nasty, but didn't look like there was trouble breathing, or that there was a cut-off of blood. Maybe a full video would look different.
  18. Grace Hall at Lehigh has historically been a wretched place to wrestle as an opponent. I don't know how you could measure the effect on the outcomes, but from my point of view, it wasn't positive. I suspect many others would agree.
  19. I've seen the mats stacked on end, and in fact have had the thought that if someone got into the "hole" in the rolled mat, he could be trapped like someone skiing who was upside-down in a tree well. I always thought the danger would have been to a little kid messing around, and not as much to a fully grown hs boy. Falls into the category of "if something can happen, it eventually will".
  20. Not certain, but I think the first freshman finalist in the modern era was Randy Payne from Pitt. I think he lost to one of the Keller twins from OkState in 1970, which I believe was the first year that freshmen were eligible for varsity. Not sure what happened to him after that. He and his brother Mark, from Sidney NY, were two very unique wrestlers. Don't think I've ever seen their style before or since.
  21. Oliver probably didn't weigh more than 92 or so as a freshman. He was underweight by a lot more than just a couple of pounds. And Kyler was a really big 103. That list of 103's makes a pretty good argument that maybe people should think twice before pushing the lowest weight up too high.
  22. The 67 Nationals at Kent State were the first ones I saw too, and it was really terrific. Seeing the youtube video of Culp really brings back memories, and frankly, I don't think the picture I had in my mind was as athletic as the video actually shows. He lateral dropped everyone. That match ought to be shown to every football coach who thinks linemen shouldn't wrestle. Sanders was fantastic at that tournament. He had a bunch of funky stuff where he'd step his foot up in front of the bottom guy and bait him into grabbing it, and then put in a half-nelson on the far side and start cranking. You clearly weren't going to enjoy yourself out there with Sanders. I remember the Yatabe-Anderson match, and there was a spectacular salto thrown, if my memory is correct, but I cannot remember who threw it. Getting old. Went with my dad, hs coach, physics teacher/scorekeeper, and my wrestling buddy. Priceless.
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