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Posts posted by gimpeltf

  1. 5 hours ago, ConnorsDad said:

    Random draw? Of course. First, why would you have a random draw? Isnt that what the regular season was for? They seeded the wrestlers so why would they not put them into a bracket correctly? They more I think about it, it is even weirder than I first believed.

    By random draw, he means that the unseeded wrestlers are placed randomly. Pigtails (or byes depending on your point of view) are placed randomly as compared to the seeded wrestlers. That's actually the rule both in HS and college. However, especially in HS it's generally accepted to seed all and thereby the higher seeds get the byes.

  2. 20 minutes ago, lu_alum said:

    Thanks for confirming the early season weight allowance. Do you know what year that ended?

    I should have been more clear about my two statements when responding to ‘79, as the post was talking about two different eras. My first comment was reflecting on something my dad had told me about how weight management used to work. My suggestion of 127 for the final day of NCAA was meant to be an example for the current times.

    Gotcha on the 2nd part.

    I can't remember when on the monthly descent plan (so to speak).  And I don't think it started in the 60s. I think maybe late 70s early 80s?

  3. 5 hours ago, lu_alum said:

    I was once told that they used to give (back in the 60s or 70s) weight allowance at the beginning of the season and then it was scratch at the end of the year.  

    Wrestlers do get an additional pound for each day of a tourney.  On day three of the 2021 NCAA wrestling tourney, a 125 would have to weigh 127 or less.

    Yeah, I think Dec +3, Jan +2, Feb +1- Scratch 1st day then +1 +2. But 127 would be day 2 of second weight class because there was no 125. 118, 126, etc.

  4. 4 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

    Ugh if you really want be semantical then please acknowledge that you used the word "coincide" rather than "coincidence" and I replied back that Safesport was a result. 

    A coincidence is when an event occurs simultaneously, a result is when a reaction occurs due to an action. Now I will get off my high horse and agree that Safesport was necessary and better late than never, and arguing over an adjective is not what any of us want to do when we have a PD3 to hate-watch this weekend.

    What's wrong with you? I did use the word coincide as you quoted. And you railed against it saying it didn't "coincide".

  5. 2 minutes ago, jp157 said:

    Okay... there’s a two year gap there.. where the story broke and stuff was starting to get revealed. I remember it being similar to Watergate as in stuff just kept coming out keeping it in the news and building momentum.

    Even if lawsuits weren’t filed till 2017... there was plenty there to make USA wrestling say “we’d better be proactive”

    im not understanding your reasoning 

    I wasn't reasoning anything. All I said was that SafeSport timing coincided with the Nassar thing. Meaning the trial. I don't understand what the issue you have is. It made the main news a few months before.

  6. Just now, jp157 said:

    The Nassar scandal and revaluation started in 2015. I just looked it up. I don’t know for sure what year the safesport stuff was put in place. But the timing does seem possible...

    For us with USAW- 2017. The lawsuits were mainly filed late winter/early spring, I think. It was around late spring into early summer we started hearing about SafeSport. Fargo was in July and I think I was taking the training just before that.

  7. 6 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

    You can look up the comments from zeke when Chebove committed , he said he changed his diaper as a kid And always knew that he would end up wrestling for him

    That's why I said what I said. He wasn't born until Whitey coached there. I forgot he stayed on to coach.

  8. 6 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

    The timing does not "coincide" but rather is a direct result. Safesport was created after Nassar because there was not a support system previously. Even though the best time to have it around was before anything happened and thousands of people have been hurt across US sports, the next best time to create Safesport was immediately.

    Not sure what your point is. I didn't say it was coincidental as in it accidentally happened then.
    1. occur at or during the same time.

  9. 19 minutes ago, LJB said:

    Clearly, downey passed his background check...

    I remember some very strong statements being made last year about some very heinous allegations...

    any push back on the jack ass Mineo for that?

    Background checks are for coaches and officials and state leaders. I don't think athletes get them.

  10. 1 hour ago, jp157 said:

    A ref told me that after the Michigan State stuff happened, USA wrestling was proactive and started using the safe sport training and background checks (which have flagged people who passed school district and state background checks btw)

    Allegedly, this is according to the ref I spoke to, take it with a grain of salt. The safesport background checks allowed them to quietly remove several coaches who were doing stuff. 

    I honestly don’t know if the timing lines up for the story and I don’t know the ref well enough to know for sure if they were telling the truth, but that’s what I was told. It kinda makes sense

    Background checks have been around for several years. USAW involvement with Safesport does coincide with the MSU issue. 

    The first training we went through was just prior to Fargo 2017. I don't remember separate SafeSport background checks though- just training.

    Then we have had additional training sessions each year with more people needing to take it. That included kids 18+ since 2019 and I believe now all must take some. It's tailored per age.

  11. 29 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

    Yea he won all 3 wrestleoffs and had a good year but zeke Jones changed Chlebove diaper as a baby and coached/been friends with the dad for like 20 years so I guess that outweighs everything else 

    I didn't think Julian was born while Whitey wrestled there but he stayed on another year as coach.

  12. Just now, TobusRex said:

    Crazy to think at one time only 4 guys placed at NCAAs, huh? I wouldn't have a problem if that was still in effect, actually, would make All American a lot more impressive. I guess it was a lot easier making the top 4 when there were only 8 guys or so at the first, what, 20 NCAA championships? :D 

    Often fewer than that.

    1936 HWT- 3 guys (Arguably 4 since one was from the host school of Washington & Lee)

  13. 3 minutes ago, TobusRex said:

    When I was a kid there were still challenge matches for 2nd place,  if the 2nd and 3rd placers hadn't wrestled already. I never wrestled in a challenge match and doubt if I'd have bothered. I guess the coaches would probably want you to wrestle for 2nd to squeeze in a few more team points, maybe? Can't remember the last time I heard of a challenge match outside team trials, though. 

    I was only talking about NCAAs.

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