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    PAFAN01 reacted to boconnell in My 2 Cents on Yazdani Vs Taylor   
    Is this really 2 cents on Yazdani-Taylor?  If it is then you should ask to be paid by the word.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Uwwdoc in My 2 Cents on Yazdani Vs Taylor   
    Over a week since Worlds have finished, and I wanted to write my 2 cents on where we are at now with what I would say is the biggest rivalry in World Wrestling right now in Yazdani Vs Taylor.
    I have some spare time so done this just to generate some conversation, debate and see others thoughts.
    Let’s go back to 2017 when this all started.
    The freestyle world cup was being held in Iran, Yazdani the year before had won Olympic Freestyle Gold at 74kg in dramatic fashion, and it was Iran’s first Freestyle gold in 16 years. Yazdani had moved up to 86kg for the first time since the Olympics, and this was his first tournament to test out his new weight. He had 2 other matches apart from Taylor during the 2 days, one against Turkey and the other against Mongolia, and in the style he had back then he absolutely ran through them with pace and techd both of them.
    Now to the first match between these 2. Unlike Yazdani, Taylor at this point was not that well known on the international scene, and had not achieved any great accolades. Certainly nothing that would make folk feel that he could beat the Olympic Gold medallist in Iran.
    A lot of people including wrestling media and such remember this match and say that Taylor was down 8-0 at one point and came from behind with the fall. The truth is that Taylor was only ever down 3-0 at the most going into the 2nd period. I think why so many people remember it incorrectly as it being so much more is that it certainly LOOKED and felt like it could have been that scoreline. For the best part of 2 minutes, Yazdani was ragdolling Taylor around the place with his underhook like an empty tracksuit, and Taylor got 2 cautions to his name, and was close to losing via DQ. But on points itself, Taylor actually managed to avoid what most people at this point would have been techd by, and survive going into the 2nd period which we all know he won by fall. I think at this point a lot of Iran, Yazdani, and his team attributed this loss to moving up for the first time at 86kg, clearly gassing and losing via fall because of this. Attributing this purely to the weight change and the gas tank and not giving credit to Taylor on this first occasion is what I feel led to what becomes the 2nd loss against Taylor in Budapest.
    So moving on 1 year to Budapest in 2018 at the worlds. Taylor missed the 2017 worlds as he lost to Cox in the US trials, and from their first match to here, Yazdani had competed in many tournaments at 86kg and gone undefeated, winning everything in dominant fashion including the 2017 world championship. Any presumed weight issues back at the first Taylor loss look well and truly rectified. As crazy wrestling draws go, what should be the final ends up being the first match of these two at the 2018 worlds.
    I really believe that going into this match the team around Yaz felt that now that he is accustomed to the weight that he will run through Taylor just like he does everyone else, not giving Taylor’s own style and his own work to nullify Yaz any analysis proves to be a downfall in Budapest. I know Yaz was motivated to avenge being pinned in his own country against the American, and he wanted to go out there and prove a point. In what becomes the highest scoring affair of their 4 matches so far, Yaz goes out and does his thing, but only gets a 6-2 lead at the end of the first period, after putting a lot of energy into trying to take Taylor out in the first. When we enter the 2nd period, it is clear Yaz is fading and Taylor is doing incredibly well off scrambles and keeps collecting points. Yaz concedes 9 points in the 2nd period, many off his own attempts to score. Now to Yazdani, the coaching staff, and many of his beloved Iranian fans it’s starting to be clear that this wasn’t simply a weight change and gas tank issue back in 2017. This wasn’t a fluke. There’s something in David Taylor and his skillset which means Yaz can’t just run through him. Now Iran needs to look at him more seriously. 2-0 is the score now.
    A whole 3 years goes by before they meet again, with the pandemic, injuries, finally they meet in the Olympic final for the 3rd time. Both older and more mature. David Taylor hungry to achieve his dream of being an Olympic Gold Medallist. Hassan having the weight of millions of Iranians on his shoulders to not only become the first Iranian Double Olympic gold medallist in Freestyle, but also avenge the loss to the only man who seems to have his number. An expectation that seems to be beyond doubt to most of Iran.
    Straight away it is much more clear that after the first two matches, Yazdani is no longer underestimating Taylor. A very different match takes place than those we have seen before, with almost no offence from Yazdani, trying to essentially just the shut match down and get some pushouts. Taylor does manage to find a takedown, but with 3-2 in favour of Yaz with 17 seconds ago, it seems that Yaz might secure his Olympic Gold in a very tight and cagey affair. Yazdani feels it’s done, but he makes a mistake and Taylor gets the last second takedown and takes Olympic Gold. Yazdani heartbroken, the fear of the backlash from fans back home in his mind, and all the hardwork seemingly to have gone to waste. 3-0 now against Taylor.
    One of the big turning points in this rivalry I feel is how Iran received Yazdani after this 3rd loss. Outcry of sympathy, popularity rising even higher, sharing his heartbreak in Gold being taken out of his hands with seconds left instead of scolding him. I will be honest I thought he might take a break and not attend the worlds with less than 2 months between the 2. If Iran had turned his back on Yazdani after the 3rd loss, I think we would be 4-0 at this point in time.
    Less than two months pass and this is the quickest turnaround of these two facing each other again. World championships so soon after Olympics due to the pandemic. A historical moment for wrestling. Taylor is attending as he is hungry for more gold. And Yazdani, is wanting to make up for what happened in Tokyo only 6 weeks prior.
    Let’s make no mistake about it, credit to both these guys for continuing the hard grind after winning Olympic gold and silver, to come to Oslo. And for Yazdani to put it on the line, because 4-0 would have been devastating for him.
    In their latest and fourth match, it was clear that the high scoring match from Budapest will no longer be the case from here on in. These are going to be chess matches from now on, with every tweak and adjustment made proving the decisive factor. Also emotionally, I could see in through the week Hassan was a lot more relaxed compared to Tokyo. In the match itself Yazdani finally looked to have a good balance going hard enough with the underhook to be able to last 6 minutes, but also not be too defensive to not have a big enough gap to fall back on like the case in Tokyo, and initiate takedowns. In the end a big cry of emotion as he finally got a score on the board against Taylor and became world champion for the 3rd time. In someways making up for Tokyo a few months prior, but more so doing so in a convincing fashion that made his fans proud. This was more than just revenge for Hassan, this was trying to make reality what he felt inside of himself. That there is not a massive gap between him and Taylor, and that 3-0 could easily have been flipped the other way or 2-1 either way. Every single match has been different, but every single match has been close. Whenever round 5 will be, it will still be very tough to call.
    So where are we now? Please feel free to discuss, but here are my own take homes at the moment:
    4 very different matches, but 2 things I feel has been consistent throughout:
    -Yazdani in all four matches bosses Taylor around with the underhook, David still has not found an answer for this.
    -Yaz is in the lead going into the second period every time, and Taylor makes his comeback to win in the 2nd. This is true of all the matches, except that in Oslo, Taylor could not manage to rally back, but this was his gameplan, he didn’t attempt one attack in the first period.
    With all that being said what is likely to happen in round 5? If Yaz paces himself like he has done in the last two matches it is harder for Taylor to rely on compensating for however much he is down by in the first period, and doing the damage in the 2nd. Is Taylor willing to be more aggressive in the first period next time? On the other hand Taylor still managed twice to get under the legs of Hassan in the last two matches where Hassan was being more cautious and defensive, in Tokyo he was successful on both and won the match, in Oslo he failed on one of them and it proved costly. It could have been a very different match if Taylor finished that takedown.
    A fascinating rivalry, and the scoreline of 3-1 does not give true context to the nature of how close this battle is. Sad and Snyder are 3-1, but I think 95% of folk would feel Sad wins the next how many encounters unless we see some drastic change. But this one is tough to call. The momentum is going with Yazdani, and Taylor can’t rely on him gassing anymore. Anything could happen next time.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to wrestlingnerd in Sadulaev is the best I've ever seen   
    BSaitiev is my favorite wrestler ever, but he is not as "perfect" (as in mistake-free) a wrestler as Sadulaev. He was way more fun to watch, incredibly creative, a grandmaster of many more techniques than Sadulaev is a master of his key moves, but I am just so impressed with how Sadulaev completely owned Snyder and how Sadulaev keeps solid position every second of seemingly every match. He is so good at being so basic. Maybe having a few kids keeping him up at night will slow him down.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to BobDole in Question on Cael Sandersons collegiate career   
    His closest match might have been Marcus Schontune of Penn that he won 16-10 at the Midlands. I know Sanderson was down heading to the second period. He ended up winning 16-10 and that was one of only 4 times someone scored 10 points on him. The other three were tech falls.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to denger in Sick and tired - No more of this BS 'learning'   
    I didn't listen to the interview either, and I don't intend to. 
    Meanwhile, it appears to have devolved into the "who's to blame for placing 2nd to a country that doesn't exist" thread. OP seems to agree that it's Cox. 
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Lurker in Snyder and Taylor - need new RTC?   
    I can believe this many people have taken this question seriously.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to spladle08 in Snyder and Taylor - need new RTC?   
    You might be onto something.
    Decision losses for silver medals this week and back to back finals in the the Olympics and World Championships clearly signify a problem with their training situations.
    A move to Oregon State or maybe Clarion may produce a more desirable product.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to nhs67 in Daily Worlds Thread (Day 4)   
    Damn it.  Zain cost us the team title again.
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    PAFAN01 got a reaction from denger in Thomas Gilman - World Champion   
    He was wrestling for the USA, not Iowa or Pennsylvania!
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Crotalus in Thomas Gilman - World Champion   
    Hopefully he will find the next world championship worth his time to show up.....
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Return of Aztec in Thomas Gilman - World Champion   
    I love Gilman. So happy for him. 
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    PAFAN01 reacted to mattchristensen112 in Jordan Burroughs having to always wrestle RUS, IRI, or both!   
    Jordan is now a 6x Champ and a 3x Bronze Medalist. What is crazy is how many times he has had to go through a Russian, Iranian, or both! Take a look:   - 2011 (Gold): Beats both Tsargush (RUS) and Goudarzi (IRI) - 2012 (Gold): Beats both Tsargush (RUS) and Goudarzi (IRI) - 2013 (Gold): Beats Akbarizarinkolaei (IRI) and has a broken ankle - 2014 (Bronze): Loses to Tsargush after an earlier knee injury - 2015 (Gold): Beats Ghasemi (IRI) and Geduev (RUS) - 2016 (9th): Lost to Geduev (RUS) - 2017 (Gold): Beats Cabolov (RUS) - 2018 (Bronze): Beats Hosseinkhani (IRI) and loses to Sidakov (RUS) - 2019 (Bronze): Loses to Sidakov (RUS) - 2021 (Gold): Beats Valiev (RUS) and Nokhodilarimi (IRI)    
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Crotalus in Am I a traitor? (Yazdani)   
    He's proven himself to be a class act despite some heartbreaking losses to DT and he continues to work to get better. Hard not to like him even if you want him to lose. The rivalry between the two is great and I hope it goes on for several more years.

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    PAFAN01 reacted to MagnetBack in Worlds Day 2 57/65/79/92kg   
    It's kind of a tired debate. 
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    PAFAN01 reacted to wamba in Worlds Day 2 57/65/79/92kg   
    It's kind of hard not to feel happy for Yazdani. He seems like a really genuine person and he's worked so hard to get over the hump against Taylor. 
    Really looking forward to round 5!
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    PAFAN01 reacted to NJDan in Worlds Day 2 57/65/79/92kg   
    Exactly, an Olympic Gold and a World Gold-- why even bother?
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    PAFAN01 got a reaction from Paul158 in The Worlds are watered down this year   
    When you win a World Title and are called Champion they don't list the losers!
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    PAFAN01 reacted to scribe in The Worlds are watered down this year   
    You wrestle what’s in front of you. World titles are right there for anyone to compete for. 
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    PAFAN01 reacted to lu1979 in The Worlds are watered down this year   
    It is still a World Championship regardless of who chose not to go.  The amount it is "watered down" depends a lot on the particular weight you are talking about.  86 kg, 97 kg & 125 kg are very tough and most of the non-Olympic weights are comparable to an average year.  57kg 74kg & 65 kg are missing some pretty key guys but you can only wrestle the guys that bother to show up.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to AnklePicker in Par Terre   
    Can we finally stop saying how bad we are in par terre?  We just scored a sheet ton of points on top. Nice job team USA. 
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    PAFAN01 reacted to cjc007 in Haircuts, Taylor vs Dake?   
    ...who has the better haircut?
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Mphillips in Taylor vs Dake: You Decide   
    Three threads of discussion...
    Thank goodness for this poll. 
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    PAFAN01 reacted to nom in Taylor vs Dake: You Decide   
    Pls let this whole thing whither and die.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to Fletcher in Willie's Earth Shattering News   
    Northwestern only lets in smart kids. We can't surround them with idiots for coaches.
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    PAFAN01 reacted to BobDole in Willie's Earth Shattering News   
    The news is Jimmy Kennedy and Andrew Howe will be fired from Northwestern because they won't get the vaccine. They have until October 1st it seems.
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