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  1. Rumor has it, Koontz and the other Koontz were doing nothing but wrestling Greco through mid November, since the other one has an Olympic redshir and was preparing for U23 and other tournaments. The transition to folk style from several months of greco probably takes some time and adjustment. If Koontz had the CKLV he did with only 2-3 weeks to transition, and he beat Kramer by 2 in OT, compared to Decatur winning by two, I wonder at the end of the season who actually develops or is better? Koontz probably isn't having a tough cut seeing as he has already gone up a weight class from where he started. I think any greco guy (a true Greco guy--not an Imar, or a Joe Colon) that can protect his legs, will continue to catch people off guard or put them in positions where they are uncomfortable. Plus, I hope to see a big throw. Styles make matches sometimes too.
  2. Not sure the weight cut etc. is a valid excuse for Decatur gassing. He has a reputation of taking injury time when in tough matches to catch his breath etc. Also, the weigh in Saturday and Monday was a disadvantage to him, but he better get used to it. Ohio State now has several Friday and Sunday duals coming up on the schedule. Not sure if burning Decatur’s redshirt was necessary or will make a difference. Only time will tell. But Koontz beat Kramer in at CKLV 7-5 in OT. That is just one match vs common opponent, but not much of an upgrade as of now.
  3. NBC Sports owns Trackwrestling so the brackets would be on the Trackwrestling site with the opportunity to watch online for a fee if the tv broadcast is limited.
  4. Sorry, Greco was my main reason for that post. I just dont understand how the gap widens so significantly as we increase in age.... Why does the gap (in Greco) widen as we get older in age? Because our youth wrestlers start (Folkstyle/Freestyle/Greco) at a very young age compared to the rest of the world (when to start, how young is too young, what should be emphasized is another topic), and have a lot of experience with wrestling in general by the time they are teens, so they are competitive on a world stage simply because they have a lot more years of wrestling and competing. The gap appears and widens as the rest of the world gains more total years of experience and as they only wrestle their one chosen style. Our Greco kids wrestle at least two and usually three three styles through high school and beyond. A 12 year old kid kid that starts wrestling Greco, and only Greco in Armenia for example, catches up quickly and then surpasses us and widens the gap as they move through and out of their teens.
  5. This fallacy that anyone can just switch over to Greco and find success is a joke. Rau beat Downey in freestyle 18 months ago... easier for an American due to our wrestling folkstyle to cross over from Greco to freestyle than to cross over to Greco... I wish the guy all the best, but I don't expect him to be much competition for Ellis Coleman, Jamel Johnson, Hayden Tuma, Ray Bunker etc. Dan Dennis tried Greco at the Open...
  6. No, he doesn't, and he wasn't entered. When he does lose, he usually looks as if he has been paid to throw the match as well....
  7. Ben Provisor won Pan Am Freestyle, but took 3rd or 4th in Greco. Provisor had not wrestled folk style or freestyle for 7-8 years.... just saying. The issue is we are 10 years behind the rest of the world when it comes to focusing on Greco. We as a national team keep trying to catch them from a technical standpoint when that is impossible... The USA wrestlers eventually may learn the technique, but the unconscious feel and innate ability to move, adjust, and transition is not there due to being so far behind in the number of years training in it. We have to develop strengths where we can actually be stronger instead of trying to beat them at their game. Gable (yes it was freestyle) knew how to beat them by having far better conditioning and wrestling with a non-stop in your face style of constant pressure and attacking their position to set up scoring. Work on developing and improving in our areas of weakness that are exploited by them (par tere bottom) to minimize the gap, and wrestle our matches our way. We all know how to shoot, so more level changes, pulls etc. to high dives, slide by... etc. and start to f-ing brawl. Hire recently “retired” top level guys as our assistant coaches.
  8. Best guy by far based on what? His 1 point margin of victory wins against two of their other 125# in wrestle offs? If he is their best guy (he is), by far, there would be no question regarding pulling his redshirt.
  9. gowrestle, out of your 1,685 posts, this is certainly the worst one.
  10. Thielke's attitude should not be mentioned as similar to Bey etc. Thielke is working his butt off, and buys in to what it takes to wi world medals. Thielke was just voicing his opinion on being over seas for 4 weeks going into the worlds was not the proper way to prepare. Bey shows up at practice, most of the time, but skips when he feels like it. He doesn't train at a a level those winning medals train at despite having more skill and talent than them. They have tolerated Bey doing this because he is so talented and potentially the face of American Greco for many years to come (that is, if he is able to get his act together).
  11. Bey is certainly a huge talent and so exciting to watch. HIs upside is so high, but he hasn't yet made the choice, to commit, all in to be the best. I am not knocking him, he is still just a kid. However, he has yet to buy in to training like a mad man, and living the lifestyle 24/7/365. Only time will tell. He does have the skill and talent to win multiple World Medals, Gold nlcuded for many years to come.
  12. Add: H.S. Mark Schwab and Joe Gibbons. Also John Bowlsby based on his making the Jr. World team as a high school sophomore. How do you forget World Silver Medalist Barry Davis? Also, don't forget Joe Corso-World Bronze Medalist
  13. I find Askren's tweet odd. He, himself wrestled freestyle. And, since when is there $ in MMA? Yes, a select few are making some money, but most are not making a living of any kind. Way to promote the sport of wrestling Ben. I guess once you are no longer competing in wrestling, freestyle becomes stupid.
  14. I can't say for certain, but I am guessing he just didn't make the team in those non-Olympic years. In 1981 he was coming off the dislocated elbow that derailed his senior year at Iowa (Gibbons won the NCAAs and it was the dual with Iowa State vs Gibbons where lewis had the injury). I think Mike Land from ISU was on the World team that year. In '83 Lee Roy Smith was the World Silver Medalist. '86 Joe McFarland was a World Silver Medalist. Once 1987 came around Joh Smith owned the weight class. One thing about Lew Boo, was that you know the scoreboard operator was going to get a workout. Loved watching him open up the offense.
  15. Cletus, Give it a break. So you don't like the Ramos pre-match routine... it's hardly worth an after thought. I do however like your statement regarding Ramos and marketing. I believe the poster that mentioned something regarding Ramos just being a marketer did not necessarily mean to the masses. Perhaps just within the wrestling community and those that truly follow the sport. I have a question based on your quote; "He's a great marketer? Tell me about his marketing. Does anyone other than those of us who already knew him, have any clue who he is or what he does? No one I know outside of the wrestling community has ever heard of him. Has his act garnered him any additional monies or opportunity?" How many wrestlers, (including David Taylor) has anyone outside of the wrestling community ever heard of? "Magic Man" that nickname, is cringe worthy... I also get tired of Taylor's post match celebrations... But outside of the wrestling community and the PSU campus, who has heard of him? I do know this about Ramos. Off the mat, he is a very low key and humble young man. He also does far more than give a few autographs on occasion (response to Flying Tiger). He goes out of his way for every kid. He will stop and sign, and talk to every kid that wants access. This stems from a time when he approached Brian Urlacher for an autograph and Urlacher walked right past him. He said he never forgot how that felt, therefore, he will never deny a kid an autograph, a photo etc. Keep hating on Ramos, that's your choice. People understand why his center of the circle antics rub some the wrong way, and Tony knows that too. But making a claim about nobody outside of wrestling knowing who he is as some sort of argument is something that could be applied to 90% of our World team members, and maybe even 100% of them.
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