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  1. The more I think about it, I think Tavanello will be wanted and recruited to stay on for his 5th, redshirt senior season...vs persuading him to look elsewhere via grad transfer route to open up $etc.


    Unless the Bucks land Nick Reenan here late in the process, their recruiting class is pretty much sewn up for this recruiting cycle.


    Tav's $ won't significantly open up any opportunities in recruiting until next offseason, and that's when he graduates anyways.


    The only down fall is Tav won't be able to compete at the Big Ten's or Nationals.. A pretty big one I know. But if Tav is content on finishing up as a Buck, enrolling in grad school at OSU etc,etc... He will still be a very valuable member of the team, and will see plenty of mat time...up to 20+ matches even possibly.


    I see Snyder going a similar route next season, competing at all the international and abroad major free style events, and cherry pick the duals he competes in, up until it's time to compete at the Big Ten's and Nationals. Tavanello in essence could be considered OSU's HWY starter for the most part of next season.


    Looking towards the future, Snyder pulling his Olympic shirt works perfectly now in landing and making sense decision/lineup wise for Elyria Ohio top HWY prospect Kevin Vough, part of the '17 class.


    He can now step right into the lineup at HWY the year after Snyder graduates, where as before when Snyder was taking an extra year and redshirt, Vough was potentially facing having to sit his redshirt freshman season.

    When did Kevin Vough commit to Ohio State? 

  2. I thought Martin looked huge for 174 last night. Looks like he could easily transition to 184. Then Bo Jo goes to 174. Micah to 149 or 157, NaTo needs to go to 133. I don't even know how he makes 125. 

    NaTo looked a weight class smaller than Gilman and Youtsey. No reason he cant make the weight for one more season. I'd imagine he'd also love the chance to get revenge on Gilman and have him finish his Hawkeye career without a title

  3. Come March if there lineup is 

    125 Tomasello (Returning champ like his chances)

    133 Dijulius(Should AA this year)

    141 Micah(If hes here come March he will be right there with the top guys)

    149 Hunter(If healthy he can beat anyone AA )

    157 Ryan/Burcher(Will be a weight they hope to qualify)

    165 BoJo(Can see him in finals again)

    174 Myles Martin (If they decide hes ready then I would say 2-2)

    184 Courts(Look for him to battle for top 6 spot)

    197 Mark Martin(Could AA at this weight)

    Hwt Tavenello(If healthy he has shown in the past he has AA potential)

    I see them right there in the mix with that lineup

    That's a good lineup that can repeat even with losing Logan and Snyder. I'd rather see Myles Martin redshirt and Bo Jordan stay at 174 and run the table. Why would he make a massive cut just to have to face his old teammate and cousin Issac and the best college wrestler Deringer? Unless he's on his own Vision Quest

  4. James Green vs Dieringer. Clearly Ringer is the favorite here, but Greens speed is something no one else Ringer has beat possesses. 

    This match up is more in line with the spirit of my initial post.  I probably could have explained it better, but I was looking more for wrestlers in the same weight in the same year as opposed to fantasy match ups of star wrestlers from different eras. Are there any entertaining NAIA, DII, DIII studs that would've matched up well with DI champs but never got the chance? (Joey Davis)


    Another match I and everyone at the 2011 nationals wanted to see that didn't take place was Dake as a Sophmore vs a healthy senior Darrion Caldwell at 149 lbs. at NCAAs

  5. I always wanted to see Mark Perry against Ben Askren when they were both at 174. I liked that both were great mat wrestlers with a lot of funk in their arsenal. In the end I think Askren would've dominated Perry even worse than he did Herbet and would earn a tech fall or a pin. It still would have made for a good match with a lot of points scored. 


    What are some other matches that never happened for one reason or another? 

  6. You can't deny the talent that ASU is accumulating and I think ASU will be a very good team, but they are still a few recruiting cycles away from being contenders. Even then, sometimes the recruiting classes don't pan out 


    This situation is starting to remind me of a few years ago when people were talking about Wisconsin being a future dynasty with a new head assistant coach in Pritzlaff, a solid lineup with star wrestler Andrew Howe and a some big name commitments (Destin McCauley) and can't miss recruits. And then for one reason or another it all fell apart and Wisconsin is just now recovering. 

  7. My comment was more directed toward your statement that all wrestling is watchable, and if you don't like women's wrestling, that's on you.

    That's a pretty ignorant statement, as you're commenting on something very subjective.  I was a D1 wrestler, have coached at all levels from youth through college, and love the sport.

    That said, watching a day of average youth wrestling can be tedious.  Watching the vast majority of women's wrestling leaves much to be desired.  That's not a knock on the effort of those involved, their passion for the sport, etc.  It's more a comment on the overall quality of the sport at that level. 

    Do I think that women's wrestling is "necessary"?  Not really, as I feel we are fans of a sport that is, and always will be, something of a fringe sport. Someone made the comment that by not having women's wrestling, we are missing out on over half of the population.  Please.  The vast, vast, vast majority of women would never consider participation in this sport, and view those that would participate as a bit "off". Should women have the opportunity to compete?  Sure, but it is unfortunate that the well being of men's wrestling is tied in some way to this greatly inferior product.

    NJWC I was a D1 wrestler and a coach too. I've also coached both boys and girls teams. What makes you think that girls would not consider the sport? Have you ever coached anywhere with girls hs wrestling teams? In states with only boys hs wrestling the girls are looked at as being "a bit off" for being the only girl on a boys team wrestling against boys. Why do you think that women's wrestling is an inferior product to mens wrestling? Could it have something to do with them not being allowed to train or compete in organized competition until the past 20 or so years, and that most don't start wrestling until high school?

  8. First off, we all win when wrestling is more mainstream and not seen as unusual to the common person. MMA has exploded over the past 15 years and is now mainstream and accepted by those who used to compare it to dog fighting. We even have women MMA stars who are mainstream, feminine and ass kickers. 


    We  need to embrace change and growth and continue to evolve


    We need women's programs in state universities in the states where girls high school wrestling is recognized as a sport. The state university is set up to serve the needs of the state. The same way that it is ridiculous that in states where boys wrestling is sponsored on the high school level and then none of the state univ sponsor a men's college program.


     If the college women's head wrestling coaches are wise they will be leading the fight to get their state high school associations to sponsor girls high school wrestling and increase their local pool of talent for recruitment. King College, a private school in Virginia won the women's national championship this year. Virginia does not sponsor girls high school wrestling. 


    *On another note I just looked into women's ice hockey and found out the NCAA sponsors women's varsity ice hockey. I HAD NO IDEA. I knew that the Big ten did but not NCAA. They have a big school Div. I and small school D III championships.  The Big Ten and the Ivy league tend to be the more powerful teams.How many states other than Minnesota sponsor girls high school ice hockey?

  9. One season does not make a career. Nobody puts Jessie Whitmer as an all time great because he won an NCAA title the only season he was a starter at Iowa. Just like how nobody puts Rob Rohn in there for almost pinning his way through the entire bracket.


    Schultz had arguably the best one year performance for a high school senior. That is not in dispute at all. But what about those other 3 years? You point to Vasquez and said he beat nobody and took 7 losses while in high school. If that is what you use to say he isn't an all time great, how many losses did Schultz have in high school? I'm guessing more than 7. If one year makes a career Eric Larkin should be in there. Won a state title, undefeated, won senior nationals, double Fargo champion.


    Vasquez has the body of work and the consistency of being good in the one state where it's arguably the most difficult to be a state champion in due to sheer numbers. Is he on the same footing as guys like Kolat and Mocco? No. But he is definitely ahead of someone who only had one REALLY great year in high school, as opposed to 4 really good ones and achieved something that had never been done before and has not been equaled since.

    Vazquez also gets props for beating Palomino who was on pace to be the first Cali 4xer ever. However the California state tournament is not the toughest high school tournament in the country and I wouldn't put him on any list of top 5 all time high school wrestlers. Same as how I wouldn't have put Mike Grey on that list after he became the first ever 4xer from Jersey. 

  10. Pinnum, not sure where you are from but it might open your eyes if you traveled outside of your own state/region and attended a HS tournament in an area where girls wrestling is a state association sponsored sport. When girls get the opportunity to compete on their own teams, with other girls, with good coaches who don't view them as a "necessary burden" they tend to do great and have good sized teams. In many of these same states more and more girls are getting involved in the sport at the kiddie level. This is a HUGE area of potential growth for the sport and we need to be promoting ALL wrestling. Why would you only want to promote the sport to less than half of the population? The wrestling community would be wise to use the title IX argument to push for girls wrestling to be recognized in each state association and for the states that already do have it as an official sport to push for a big state university to provide an opportunity for the girls to compete on the college level. 

  11. Will the recent championship change that dynamic?

    Winning the team championship totally changes that dynamic. When Tom Ryan is competing against Cael, JRob, Brands or John Smith for the same top athlete that wants to win a team title he now has hard evidence that he is able to get that done. And having a 4x champ and guys able to come in as freshman and compete and win individual titles also helps his case with recruits.  

  12. To recap:  CSU transferred wealth from 18,300 mostly poor/middle-class students to about 30 wealthy students.  CSU executed the wealth transfer by manipulating students and wrestling fans.  CSU then basked in the glory of "saving wrestling," and everybody rejoiced.  Until the next time this happens, at CSU or elsewhere.


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