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Everything posted by oldcougar

  1. When I was in college, wrestling 123, I wrestled a guy that was 6'3" tall. Talk about skinny! And every time I made a move he had about 6 to 8 inches of body left over. I finally decked him, but it took me a couple periods to figure him out. That guy was skinny! Another one: 4x PIAA champ Bob Crawford. He looked and wrestled like a spider.
  2. You got the Nickal vs Martin part right. You just missed the year. 2018 with the team title on the line, Nickal appears to go to his back, tOSU fans go nuts. Nickal elevates. tOSU fans crash. It was a thing of beauty.
  3. Spencer Lee has wrestled at the NCAA champships twice. He's a 2x National champ and still has 2 years to go. He's a 3x World champ. And yet, he's lost his desire. He isn't tough enough. He's not one of the better college wrestlers. Yes, he is seriously letting down his side, because.... why was that again?
  4. most are getting it right. He wrestles like he has multiple brains controlling different parts of his body. I cannot recall anyone with more mat sense that Markie, and I've been watching wrestling for 60 years. It's uncanny how he can seem to be in an untenable situation when he moves a knee or subtly shifts his weight and suddenly he's on top! It's inspiring to watch.
  5. Two of the most awesome wrestlers ever. And i'm old enough to have seen most of them. Nolf's constant pressure kind of revolutionized a lot of people's thinking about how to approach a match. The 'play defense and win by a point' style of an Iowa, Nolf has thrown out the window. Bo knows throws. And Bo seems to wrestle best on the biggest stage, at the most important moments. It's inspiring to see. I mostly feel sadness that their college careers are over. Both have given me some of my favorite wrestling highlights, and I've been watching since 1958. For people to say definitvely that one's career was 'better' than the other is specious. Their numbers were close enough to be almost identical, but their paths were different enough to make each totally unique. What an honor, what a pleasure it was to see them perform their very special talents for four years. Each should be considered on his own merits, without some artificial comparison by people who couldn't hold their wrestling shoes.
  6. My high school coach never wrestled in high school, started as a freshman in college and never made the team again. By the time he was a senior he was the team manager. He could barely play tennis and was too small for football. When I was in school, his wrestling team was undeated, his football team was undefeated, and his tennis team was un-scored on. That means all singles and doubles were undefeated in matches, and he had the doubles state champs. He is in the PIAA wrestling hall of fame. A coach needs to communicate and inspire, regardless of the sport. Another coach I was a camp councilor for, was the most successful coach in Long Island history. He never wrestled, but he kinda founded the sport in New York State. National Wrestling Hall of Fame member. So, no, a coach doesn't have to have been a star wrestler. But he better be knowledegable.
  7. I was at that first Shields-Marstellar dual match. They wrestled for it seemed like 8 periods and neither of them made an offensive move. Shields finally won, but it seemed neither of them wanted it. I've been watching Chance for many years. His performance this weekend was inspirational. It's great to see a turn-around like that. It's good to see him go out on a real high. And it's good to see Lock Haven making a little noise at the national level.
  8. I've always liked McKenna, even when he moved from Stanford to Ohio State. And I think right now, he's slightly better than Lee. But Lee has an unlimited upside, imo. Last year he seemed to have brain farts from time to time and do mindless things. But he seems to have that demon under control. His gas tank will win him a lot of close bouts like last night's. And his steady improvement makes him better and better against the big guns. He's going to be in the national finals eventually. This year? Maybe.
  9. you're like those trump people who can't let Hillary go. Dake and Taylor are both world champs at different weights. Give it up.
  10. seems to me last year in mid-January, Penn State looked sluggish and bored. There was probably a thread at that time asking, 'is the PSU bubble bursting'? How'd that work out.
  11. In this case, the ref should not have hit Stoker, because he was off the mat. At the HS match, the meet was over, the two teams had shaken hands, and were walking off the mat when two wrestlers lowered their straps. The rule says you can't do that while still 'on the mat'. Following the rules is one thing. Being reasonable about enforcing the rules is something entirely different. Was the infraction these kids did so horrific that it should cost their teams the meet? I'm guessing the ref was the only person in the gym who knew he could impose that penalty. And he proved that he was the man! Pathetic.
  12. Lock Haven HS in 1961. They had 4 PIAA champs, and 5 of their team placed 9 times at NCAA's. Two of those Lock Haven teammates met in the NCAA consolation finals one year. They were pretty good.
  13. unbiased: so your theory is, if Zain didn't wrestle last year, Sorenson wouldn't have lost to Ronnie Perry. Interesting.
  14. I've been following Cenzo since he was a HS freshman. At PA states that year he placed 7th at 106 - a pretty tough weight class with Ethan Lizak, Michael Kemmerer, and Scottie Parker in the bracket. I liked Cenzo then because he was so small but with so much poise and determination. As a soph, Cenzo was 3rd at 120. Cenzo kept growing. Junior Cenzo was state champ at 138, with a bracket including Mike Kemmerer, Hayden Hidlay, and Kaleb Young. Senior Cenzo was state champ at 152, with a bracket including Young, Josh Maruca, and Mikey Labriola. It ain't easy winning states in Pennsylvania. But the more Vincenzo Joseph grew, the more he won. Joseph has extraordinary core strength. And he wrestles with uncanny calmness. He's lost a couple of matches when he just decided to get into a shoot out. But it looks like he learned from indulging in his excesses. Because when he wrestles within himself and under control, Cenzo looks to be pretty unbeatable.
  15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't notice one offensive point scored by Lehigh, just neutral points: No takedowns, no backs, no reversals. If so, it's the first meet I ever saw with one team being held to no offensive points. I remember a high school dual meet in 1961 that our team won 67-0. Can't remember any offensive points then, either, but that was a looong time ago.
  16. I guess I can do the obvious one, since I'm from PA. Pennsylvania: 125 #1 - Spencer Lee - Iowa 'nuff said 133 #5 - Luke Pletcher - Ohio State 141 #16 - Max Murin - Iowa 149 #8 - Brock Zacherl - Clarion 157 #1 - Jason Nolf = Penn State 165 #1 - Vincenzo Joseph - Penn State 174 #6 - Mike Kemmerer - Iowa * He's injured so we'll throw in #11 - Mikey Labriola - Nebraska 184 #5 - Zack Zavasky - Virginia Tech 197 #17 - Jake Woodley - Oklahoma (several higher rated kids but Woodley has the most potential) 285 #8 - Jordan Wood - Lehigh It's a competitive lineup.
  17. I was coaching youth wrestling. We had a meet for the league championship. The other coach cheated with his kids at every opportunity, hiding kids, lying about weight classes and then protesting - 'we don't have time to do weigh-ins', etc. The previous year our teams met for the championship and he won by cheating, so I was ready for him the next year. It was going to be a close meet. He came to me and said, "I have a kid from the Jr Hi who is looking for a bout. He's pretty good, but not great. Okay if we set one up?" The kid was a ringer and I knew it. The kid ended up as a PA state place winner in high school. What the other coach didn't realize that I had brought my own ringer. So I said, "I have a kid who came along to watch the meet. He's in Jr Hi and is pretty good, too. Let's set it up." My ringer beat his ringer. We won the dual by 6 points.
  18. you right wing ideologues amuse me. It's gospel to you about the 'communist', 'left wing' media. 1) why do you bring your weird political opinions to a wrestling website? Don't we get enough of this crap elsewhere? 2) Most of the 'main stream media' is owned by just a few companies. Leftist is the last thing you could call them. I'm not just talking about Faux News and Sinclair, an extreme right wing organization that owns more TV stations than anyone else and insists that their local news follow the company line. 3) What you are mad about is those news outlets that report facts rather than echo trump. That's it, isn't it NJWC? You're a trump supporter who hates those damn fake news outlets for telling the truth! 4) enough politics.
  19. This is one of those topics where one's own opinion is all that matters. No amount of argument from others is going to change that opinion, nor will your arguments sway others to change theirs. I've been watching PSU more or less since the '60s. I had one brother who was with Lehigh (wrestling behind Caruso) then, so I didn't follow PSU so much, just how they related to the Engineers. But my other bro gave Matter a battle in a dual and I followed him and became a Lion fan from the 70's on. And though there were several great ones before, Caels influence must change all opinions. For artistry, originality, pure offense, and drama, Cael's kids have done it all. For me to select one as 'the greatest' is no problem. But in a week my opinion might be different. I'm a great David Taylor fan. Ed Ruth threw a cradle and it was lights out. Zain may be the bestest hammer on top ever. He brings the pain and the points. Jason Nolf is simply the most creative wrestler I've ever seen. And if he needs to wrestle on one foot, he can completely change his style to accomplish that. Been following Joseph since he was a 106 pound 9th grader. I've always loved his heart, and now it looks like his hips are immovable. Mark Hall has the best 'feel' for what's happening on the mat of anyone I've ever seen. Even while losing the finals this year, he had a transcendental scramble with an outstanding Valencia. And Bo brings high drama and total excitement to the mat. For me to pick one of them is easy, but I'd pick someone else next week. Think I'll rotate them by week.
  20. Good to see some compassion on a forum. This is close to being a political issue as well as a social issue because of Jordan's position in the House. But it probably shouldn't be. Jordan's camp has circled the wagons and is apparently applying pressure on people in a position to know what went on to keep their mouths shut. Jordan's knee jerk reaction was to deny, deny. But now that denial is coming back to bite him on the butt. Some of the witnesses to this sordid mess make a very good case that Jordan MUST have known about what was going on since it was often discussed in the locker room. A couple of wrestlers who are his strong political supporters gave very convincing statements that Jordan's must have had knowledge of what was gong on. Who knows what Jordan should have/could have done at that time. Given the circumstances, who knows what they themselves would have done? But Jordan has dug himself a bit of a hole. Don't think it will hurt his career, but maybe he can learn something about truthiness.
  21. That's called 'blaming the victim'. Filing charges or even admitting abuse always seems difficult if not impossible by the abused. That's why there is so much of it. But don't blame the victim. Blame the abuser.
  22. I think a part of it was the explosion of youth wrestling. When we started our program, SE PA had two youth leagues. The league covering the largest area had about 6 teams. Within 5 years that league had 23 teams. This was the late '70s, early '80s. Year round wrestling had started by then and you could find tournaments in July. Our teams would have a dual on Saturday and a tournament on Sunday. Kids were wrestling 80-100 bouts a year. They would wrestle folkstyle during the regular season, then switch to freestyle for the off-season. I saw the improvement in the quality of wrestling at the high school level - there was a lag of a few years, IMO, as kids worked their way through the system. And there was an explosion of new styles and new moves in the 80's as well. And Gene Mills turned people on to the tilt, and caused a change in the scoring system: technical falls, majors. I recall Mills winning the semi-finals of NCAA's something like 28-4! And once tilts took over, they found new ways to do it. Changes in style, conditioning, practice techniques were all part of '80s culture. And kids had been wrestling since they were 6 years old. By the time those kids reached college, they had a lifetime of experience and training. I had a friend in the '60s who was a 2x NCAA D1 finalist. He started wrestling in his Junior year of high school! How likely would that be today?
  23. When I started wrestling, Yojiro Uetake was the greatest wrestler in the world. 50 years later I gotta include him in my top 3 of all time. (Feel free to speculate who the other 2 are.) Who couldn't be impressed with Okie State at that time, or Iowa a couple of decades later. Both inspired programs. I'm truly over the top about Penn State now because they are so much fun to watch. Guys like Jason Nolf and Bo Nickal win style points for their creativity. I guess today's style of wrestling is just more spectator friendly because of improvements in technique and coaching. I can remember sounding/feeling like an old fogie because I always claimed that wrestlers from my time (read Okie State/Lehigh/Oklahoma/etc.) were every bit as good as those then currently wrestling. I no longer make that claim. Wrestling is the best it's ever been. Period. Thank goodness I'm still around to watch it.
  24. I actually coached Storniolo when he was 6-7 years old. Even then I told his mother he was going to be a star. He could fold his body like a pretzel and come out the other side. I too thought he didn't have much of a chance to succeed, given the state of NW's team when he took over. But he certainly has it moving in the right direction.
  25. You're correct, never wrestled a 3 day tourney. I did wrestle quite a few two days, some with an additional pound allowance, some with no additional pound. I can remember carrying a match to its full length because I really needed to get a sweat going in order to make weight the next morning. When I wrestled, I took responsibility for making weight. I coached for 20 years and I gave my wrestlers the respect to make weight as a part of their own commitment to an event. I never had a kid who didn't make weight at a post-season tourney, two day tourneys included. And I had nothing to do with it. I just let my kids know they were in control of their own destiny and they accepted that responsibility.
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