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Posts posted by oldcougar

  1. On 3/20/2022 at 4:28 PM, alliseeisgold said:

    Was in the ncaa finals at cornell and shouldn't of been at penn state if officials make some calls......looks like the same wrestler. Don't see that Cael got him to jump levels

    You really should send a written objection to the NCAA about Dean, since you are sure that he shouldn't have been in the finals this year. His title should be withdrawn and Penn State disqualified.  I feel much better now.

  2. 32 minutes ago, Grecojones said:

    That's pretty cool but it's kind of misleading. It’s not counting all of the semifinal matches where they just were not present.
    *edit* I.E. They lost in prior rounds or failed to qualify the weight. 

    That is one of the most idiotic posts I've seen for some time. The point is, that of the wrestlers that MADE THE SEMI's, since 2016, Penn State wrestlers are now 29-2 in semi-final bouts. That translates to 29 finalists in 6 years. That's about 5 finalists/year. OF course, that doesn't count those that lost in prior rounds or failed to qualify. Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. 

    For one team to have 5 finalists in one year is an amazing feat. Except that Penn State AVERAGES 5 finalist per year. 

  3. When Gene Mills introduced the tilt, scores skyrocketed. The tech fall eliminated those wild scores. It was kinda like a mercy killing and also maybe cut down on some pins. Yes, when I was in college the periods were 3-3-3. Can't say that made for more pins. It did make for more stalling. 

    Back points were FAR harder to come by before tilts began. Earlier the scoring was 3 points for a 'near fall' and 1 point for a 'predicament'. Later they made a 'predicament' 2 points. But refs were stingy with back points. I saw a kid at PA States the other day score 3 back points with the other kid's back 6 inches off the mat. A ref back then wouldn't have even looked at that. And it had nothing to do with the time of exposure. It had to do with the angle of exposure. 

    A major reason in the decline of pins may be the type of moves that lead to back points. Often, they aren't very good pinning moves. Good for exposure, but lousy for decking. Those types of moves didn't exist then. A pinning combination did just that. Its object wasn't back points, it was falls. 

  4. My HS coach is a PA Hall of Famer. He was reffing a meet in Delaware and asked me and a few other wrestlers to go with him. Some suburban rich kid school was hammering Wilmington HS -- every match a blowout. At about 145, suddenly the Wilmington kid had the rich kid on his back! Rich kid starts bridging and moving. My coach is on the mat looking for the pin. Rich kid bridges and moves, bridges and moves, with my coach going right along with him. My coach calls the pin. The wrestlers are at least 10 feet off of the mat. If they bridged and moved much more, he would have called the pin in the parking lot. As a group of 10th graders, all of us kids who came with the coach were extremely embarrassed. The Wilmington coach wasn't going to complain. And I guess the rich kid's coach felt that he was shellacking the team bad enough, it would look tacky to complain. So my coach didn't even realize what he had done until we told him on the way home.


  5. I wrestled during the transition from the old mats to Resilite mats. Most schools still had those mats from hell till the late '60s. The richer schools got them a bit earlier. I saw Resilite mats demonstrated at the Haverford College Christmas Tournament in '59 or '60. Some guy climbed to the top of ladder and dropped an egg onto the mat. It didn't break. Those early Resilite mats really stunk, but they were a pleasure to wrestle on. It meant no mat burns and a lot less pain. 

  6. Cael had to reload and Covid stood in front of that to a degree.  Hey, someone had to step up to the plate while Penn State reloaded. Last time it was Ohio State (btw ---- seems to me for a number of years it was tOSU that stood at #2, not Iowa -which  negates your CLEAR #2 claim - wasn't one tOSU team the greatest #2 team of all time?) now Brands has stepped up. Good for him -but don't ignore history by altering it.  

    But even when he wins, it seems he is a loser.  Has a championship ever seemed so hollow?



  7. Q: When was the last time a team lost the title and still walked away feeling like they smashed the other guy's face into the mat?

    Iowa is getting props for their PA-heavy team's performance. We all knew going in that the Hawks would win it all. Everyone was prepared for it and no one was surprised or disappointed that PSU couldn't catch them.  

    But the Nits came a lot closer to catching them than expected. And as usual, PSU was the dominant player on Saturday night. My theory: blue chip wrestlers wondering where to go? Their questions were answered by a) results, b) attitude of the wrestlers.  i know one shouldn't use the F-word, but you can't avoid it. Penn State wrestlers have fun.

    Does the term "pyrrhic victory" apply here?  If not, why are the Iowa fans so defensive, the PSU fans so mellow? 

    Is this a great sport or what?


  8. Spencer Lee has wrestled at the NCAA champships twice. He's a 2x National champ and still has 2 years to go. He's a 3x World champ. And yet, he's lost his desire. He isn't tough enough. He's not one of the better college wrestlers. 

    Yes, he is seriously letting down his side, because.... why was that again?



  9. most are getting it right.  He wrestles like he has multiple brains controlling different parts of his body. I cannot recall anyone with more mat sense that Markie, and I've been watching wrestling for 60 years.

    It's uncanny how he can seem to be in an untenable situation when he moves a knee or subtly shifts his weight and suddenly he's on top! It's inspiring to watch.  



  10. Two of the most awesome wrestlers ever. And i'm old enough to have seen most of them.

    Nolf's constant pressure kind of revolutionized a lot of people's thinking about how to approach a match. The 'play defense and win by a point' style of an Iowa, Nolf has thrown out the window. 

    Bo knows throws. And Bo seems to wrestle best on the biggest stage, at the most important moments. It's inspiring to see. 

    I mostly feel sadness that their college careers are over. Both have given me some of my favorite wrestling highlights, and I've been watching since 1958. For people to say definitvely that one's career was 'better' than the other is specious. Their numbers were close enough to be almost identical, but their paths were different enough to make each totally unique. 

    What an honor, what a pleasure it was to see them perform their very special talents for four years. Each should be considered on his own merits, without some artificial comparison by people who couldn't hold their wrestling shoes.


  11. My high school coach never wrestled in high school,  started as a freshman in college and never made the team again. By the time he was a senior he was the team manager. He could barely play tennis and was too small for football.  

    When I was in school, his wrestling team was undeated, his football team was undefeated, and his tennis team was un-scored on. That means all singles and doubles were undefeated in matches, and he had the doubles state champs. He is in the PIAA wrestling hall of fame. 

    A coach needs to communicate and inspire, regardless of the sport. 

    Another coach I was a camp councilor for, was the most successful coach in Long Island history. He never wrestled,  but he kinda founded the sport in New York State.  National Wrestling Hall of Fame member. 

    So, no, a coach doesn't have to have been a star wrestler. But he better be knowledegable.


  12. I was at that first Shields-Marstellar dual match. They wrestled for it seemed like 8 periods and neither of them made an offensive move. Shields finally won, but it seemed neither of them wanted it. 

    I've been watching Chance for many years. His performance this weekend was inspirational. It's great to see a turn-around like that. It's good to see him go out on a real high. And it's good to see Lock Haven making a little noise at the national level. 


  13. I've always liked McKenna, even when he moved from Stanford to Ohio State. And I think right now, he's slightly better than Lee. But Lee has an unlimited upside, imo. Last year he seemed to have brain farts from time to time and do mindless things. But he seems to have that demon under control. His gas tank will win him a lot of close bouts like last night's. And his steady improvement makes him better and better against the big guns. He's going to be in the national finals eventually. This year? Maybe.

  14. 17 hours ago, RichB said:

    So at today's Lehigh v Cornell match, during "halftime", Freddie Stroker walked, with his singlet entirely below nipples, maybe entirely below the rib-cage,  between the scores table and the mat center. Both officials were looking at the mat center. The officials did not hit him with a penalty, nor should have they. OK he had Ice on his shoulder, but the rules are the rules. I think he was looking to borrow a sling.   

    In this case, the ref should not have hit Stoker, because he was off the mat. At the HS match, the meet was over, the two teams had shaken hands, and were walking off the mat when two wrestlers lowered their straps.  The rule says you can't do that while still 'on the mat'.  Following the rules is one thing.  Being reasonable about enforcing the rules is something entirely different.  Was the infraction these kids did so horrific that it should cost their teams the meet?  I'm guessing the ref was the only person in the gym who knew he could impose that penalty. And he proved that he was the man!  Pathetic.

  15. I've been following Cenzo since he was a HS freshman.  At PA states that year he placed 7th at 106 - a pretty tough weight class with Ethan Lizak, Michael Kemmerer, and Scottie Parker in the bracket.  I liked Cenzo then because he was so small but with so much poise and determination.  As a soph, Cenzo was 3rd at 120.  Cenzo kept growing.  Junior Cenzo was state champ at 138, with a bracket including Mike Kemmerer, Hayden Hidlay, and Kaleb Young.   Senior Cenzo was state champ at 152, with a bracket including Young, Josh Maruca, and Mikey Labriola.  

    It ain't easy winning states in Pennsylvania.  But the more Vincenzo Joseph grew, the more he won.  

    Joseph has extraordinary core strength.  And he wrestles with uncanny calmness.  He's lost a couple of matches when he just decided to get into a shoot out.  But it looks like he learned from indulging in his excesses.  Because when he wrestles within himself and under control, Cenzo looks to be pretty unbeatable.  

  16. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't notice one offensive point scored by Lehigh, just neutral points:  No takedowns, no backs, no reversals.  If so, it's the first meet I ever saw with one team being held to no offensive points.  I remember a high school dual meet in 1961 that our team won 67-0.  Can't remember any offensive points then, either, but that was a looong time ago.


  17. I guess I can do the obvious one, since I'm from PA.


    125   #1 - Spencer Lee - Iowa   'nuff said

    133   #5 - Luke Pletcher - Ohio State

    141 #16 - Max Murin - Iowa

    149 #8 - Brock Zacherl - Clarion

    157  #1 - Jason Nolf = Penn State

    165 #1 - Vincenzo Joseph - Penn State

    174  #6 - Mike Kemmerer - Iowa  *  He's injured so we'll throw in #11 - Mikey Labriola - Nebraska

    184  #5 - Zack Zavasky - Virginia Tech

    197 #17 - Jake Woodley - Oklahoma (several higher rated kids but Woodley has the most potential)

    285 #8 - Jordan Wood - Lehigh


    It's a competitive lineup.  



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