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Everything posted by oldcougar

  1. That's called 'blaming the victim'. Filing charges or even admitting abuse always seems difficult if not impossible by the abused. That's why there is so much of it. But don't blame the victim. Blame the abuser.
  2. I think a part of it was the explosion of youth wrestling. When we started our program, SE PA had two youth leagues. The league covering the largest area had about 6 teams. Within 5 years that league had 23 teams. This was the late '70s, early '80s. Year round wrestling had started by then and you could find tournaments in July. Our teams would have a dual on Saturday and a tournament on Sunday. Kids were wrestling 80-100 bouts a year. They would wrestle folkstyle during the regular season, then switch to freestyle for the off-season. I saw the improvement in the quality of wrestling at the high school level - there was a lag of a few years, IMO, as kids worked their way through the system. And there was an explosion of new styles and new moves in the 80's as well. And Gene Mills turned people on to the tilt, and caused a change in the scoring system: technical falls, majors. I recall Mills winning the semi-finals of NCAA's something like 28-4! And once tilts took over, they found new ways to do it. Changes in style, conditioning, practice techniques were all part of '80s culture. And kids had been wrestling since they were 6 years old. By the time those kids reached college, they had a lifetime of experience and training. I had a friend in the '60s who was a 2x NCAA D1 finalist. He started wrestling in his Junior year of high school! How likely would that be today?
  3. When I started wrestling, Yojiro Uetake was the greatest wrestler in the world. 50 years later I gotta include him in my top 3 of all time. (Feel free to speculate who the other 2 are.) Who couldn't be impressed with Okie State at that time, or Iowa a couple of decades later. Both inspired programs. I'm truly over the top about Penn State now because they are so much fun to watch. Guys like Jason Nolf and Bo Nickal win style points for their creativity. I guess today's style of wrestling is just more spectator friendly because of improvements in technique and coaching. I can remember sounding/feeling like an old fogie because I always claimed that wrestlers from my time (read Okie State/Lehigh/Oklahoma/etc.) were every bit as good as those then currently wrestling. I no longer make that claim. Wrestling is the best it's ever been. Period. Thank goodness I'm still around to watch it.
  4. I actually coached Storniolo when he was 6-7 years old. Even then I told his mother he was going to be a star. He could fold his body like a pretzel and come out the other side. I too thought he didn't have much of a chance to succeed, given the state of NW's team when he took over. But he certainly has it moving in the right direction.
  5. You're correct, never wrestled a 3 day tourney. I did wrestle quite a few two days, some with an additional pound allowance, some with no additional pound. I can remember carrying a match to its full length because I really needed to get a sweat going in order to make weight the next morning. When I wrestled, I took responsibility for making weight. I coached for 20 years and I gave my wrestlers the respect to make weight as a part of their own commitment to an event. I never had a kid who didn't make weight at a post-season tourney, two day tourneys included. And I had nothing to do with it. I just let my kids know they were in control of their own destiny and they accepted that responsibility.
  6. and now a report has come out criticizing the Easton administration's lack of openness and communication during Jamar's dismissal. Important information was not given to some administrators but the ax fell on Billman almost instantly. Why? That's still to be answered. When I wrestled, the 'making weight' problem hung over my head all through high school and college (till I caught the Hong Kong flu and lost 14 pounds in two weeks lying in bed- that year making weight was easy.) My coaches assumed I knew what weight I had to make, period, including during multi-day tournaments. When I was at states I spent the night before in a wet suit with the heat turned up in my room, trying to sweat off those final couple of pounds. I don't remember my coach hanging over my shoulder telling me to make it or asking me if I was going to make it. If I didn't make it it was on me, not him. You don't make it into the final day of states not knowing the rules if you are sane. What, was the kid six years old? I have no sympathy for the kid. And the kid's grandpa should be drawn and quartered. I hate to be political, but in today's environment, the first thing people do when something is wrong is to blame someone else. Billman's race perhaps made placing that blame even easier than if he were white. I don't want to use the 'race' card, but grandpa's words and deeds make it unavoidable. The kid should have taken responsibility for his own actions -- but in today's America, that's not the popular option.
  7. I was at matside at the Beast of the East maybe a decade ago when Kenny Courts was a 135 lb freshman wrestling for Central Dauphin in the finals. It was early in the first period when Courts seriously hurt his knee. He was in major pain but he continued to wrestle. Then he would have to take a break. Then he would continue again, then have to stop again. Courts ran out of injury time. He had just a couple seconds left. The next break he took would be his last and he would forfeit the finals. With his last possible start on top, Courts somehow stacked his opponent and decked him. It was the bravest performance I've ever seen by a wrestler. Kenny was through for the year. You gotta respect a kid that pulls something like that off.
  8. Jim Nance deserves to be in the conversation: a heavyweight who wrestled like a lightweight. Nance is in the Patriot's Hall of Fame. He led the AFL in rushing, He was a 2x NCAA champ. And name one other guy that had a weight class created just for him.
  9. re: the Jersey argument--- I wrestled and coached against a number of Jersey kids, and a lot of them had that element of trying to out-tough their opponents. I'd come off the mat with scratches on my face and a generally lousy attitude. But they never beat me or my kids. OTOH, I've known plenty of Jersey kids who were finesse wrestlers. I had a good buddy who was an NJ state champ who was the most artful staller I ever knew. He could untie his shoe laces from any position. re: Suriano vs Lee --- NS hasn't given up a point yet in the tourney. But Lee looks like he's finally back from those injuries that slowed him the last couple of years. As great as Suriano is, I just can't see him stopping Spencer Lee. 9-3 Lee
  10. His name is Ronnie Perry. His senior year in high school he placed 7th at PA states. He lost to some guy, V Joseph, in the opening round, then won a few in the wrestle backs before losing again Now he's wrestling for the NCAA championship against some guy, Z Retherford.
  11. There is a kid wrestling for NC State named Zurich Storm. went to high school in PA.
  12. I used to go down to the locker room on the day of meets and sit on a scale and eat ice cream bars. At states I weighed 105 on Saturday morning. On Monday night I weighed 133. My brother called Monday night and wanted me to go to an open tournament with college weight classes the next weekend, so by Friday I weighed 115.
  13. Mark Hall expressed exactly what about 6700 other people in Rec Hall were experiencing. He's facing tremendous pressure to produce against a top notch opponent in the tensest of atmospheres. And he did it, as usual. Of course he's psyched! So was everyone else except a few glum people dressed in red. Why no comments about Bo gesturing to the crowd after his bout? What's the real motive behind this criticism?
  14. When my brother was wrestling at Miami of Ohio, we used to take him Scrapple and Tastykakes when we went to visit. But I've lived in Eastern PA all my life and have never tasted Scrapple. Never intend to, either. btw, Jason Bryant: my wife is a lifelong Southerner, and she thinks the very idea of cheese grits is disgusting.She wants her grits unsullied by cheese.
  15. Not just the Southeast. I've seen two 4x California state champs wrestle PA kids and get their lunches served to them. And that's all the 4x CA state champs there are. Not intended as a slam on CA, those bouts were just one of those things. Actually the southeast is starting to develop some wrestlers. Of course Florida has great wrestling. GA is improving quickly. There are PA/NJ kids going south to coach, and that will tighten the gap as well. invariably, it's all about coaching. And PA, with so many college wrestling programs, has an abundance of great wrestlers giving back to the sport on the youth/high school level. It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
  16. parity is Lehigh hammering Michigan and giving Penn State all it could handle, and then only beating Drexel by criteria. Parity is Northern Iowa and South Dakota State emerging as wrestling powers. Penn State's dominance over the past decade is a good thing for the sport, because they emphasize offense and excitement over defense and boredom. But one team winning all of the time often leads to them having a semi-lock over the best new recruits. But some pretty great recruits have chosen to go elsewhere, other than the top 4 programs. Austin DeSanto's choice of Drexel looks like a good one now. A year ago, many people thought he was nuts or just not that good. Seems to me some great wrestlers are opting to go to 'lesser' schools. Perusing the rankings, sure Ohio State and Penn State have their share of studs coming in. But other schools appear at the top of the lists as well: Stanford, Penn, Princeton, NC State, North Carolina, South Dakota State, Missouri can all look at some real stars coming in to their programs next year. Parity may not be a pipe dream.
  17. DeSanto is an enigma. He wrestles like a crazed chimpanzee but he's kind of a one trick pony from standing. It's mostly about elbow control for him. A couple of years ago, Lee tech falled him at states. In a prior year, DeSanto gave up two consecutive defensive falls at states. How often does that happen? At the same time, the first defensive fall occurred after he had essentially won the bout twice but had it taken away by the ref. And he was wrestling a 2x returning state champ. He's always had this intense motor going for him, but he has significantly improved most of the other aspects of his game --- except his bottom game apparently. I've seen both Parker and DeSanto wrestle for years. My brother wrestled for Lehigh far in the past. My prediction to him before we learned that Parker was "dinged": 4-0 Parker, or 18-12 DeSanto. If it's high scoring, DeSanto wins. Otherwise it's Parker.
  18. I used several different methods of live wrestling. Situational wrestling of course. We did a lot of 10-15 second starts to teach the kids how it feels to be down 3 points with 10 seconds to go, and how to handle it from both top and bottom. You can think up your own 'critical' situations that teach your kids how it feels to be there before it happens in real life. We were at our league championship tourney (about 23 teams) and were vying for the lead when one of our kids in the finals was losing by 4 with 7 seconds to go, threw a peterson, scored 5 and won the tourney. So did we. To a lot of kids that doesn't come naturally. You've got to put them in the position and give them the opportunity to do it in practice. Maybe 20% of our practices were situational live drills. But as sgallon says, you gotta let them wrestle live because that's where the fun is. We'd set up groups of 5 or 6 kids by age/weight (youth program, 5 to 13), put one guy in the middle and let the other kids rotate in. When the kid in the middle has faced all the others, the next kid goes in. Great for conditioning and great fun too. I guess our practices were 50% drills, 20% situational live wrestling, and 25% live action, with some time spent teaching wrestling philosophy. Maybe a HS team will be happy with nothing but drilling moves. But a youth program kid would be gone in a week if all he did was drill.
  19. A teammate of mine in college lost the finals of the NCAA on a split referee's decision in OT. Thing is, his opponent spent several years in the Army out of high school, then went to college at Iowa State. The older guy's name was Veryl Long, just passed away this year. He was way too old to be wrestling college. I demand that that ref's decision be overturned and my teammate be awarded the title. It's only fair.
  20. Syracuse - Jim Nance/Gene Mills Air Force - Bob Henderson Portland State - Rick Sanders Fresno State - Mike Gallego Temple - Wayne Boyd Washington - Larry Owings Hofstra - Nick Gallo UCLA - Fred Bohna Cal State - Bakersfield - Jon Azevedo Bloomsburg - Ricky Bonomo Tennessee - Chris Edmond
  21. uh, ever hear of Mike Caruso? sorry, I saw someone beat me to it. so I'll add in: Gettysburg College - Joe Bavaro 2x NCAA Div 1 finalist from a school that looked at wrestling as an extra-curricular activity.
  22. I want the same Big Ten announcers --- the guys that call a reversal a takedown, the kids that have never seen a wrestling match and now are announcers for a Big 10 match. They are often more entertaining than the wrestlers.
  23. It's off topic, but I loved seeing the Maryland list since several of the wrestlers I used to follow in high school. I watched Bob Kopnisky win PIAA states in 1961. He was a weight class above a kid from my school who won that year. 1961, believe it or not, was one of PIAA's greatest years. What a bunch of stars! Steve Bell was PIAA champ in 2005. Along the way he beat Quentin Wright (freshman at that time. I saw that bout and Q was smiling the whole time - he just loved to wrestle), and Tony DeSanto from Exeter, Austin DeSanto's older bro, I guess. And Jimmy Sheptock was in the greatest quarter final bout I've ever seen at PIAA states in 2009. He lost to Jake Kemerer in a battle of absolute studs that went down to the wire. An awesome bout and a terrific weight class that included Kenny Courts and James Fleming. Jimmy wrestled back to take 3rd.
  24. I'm too short. Your sarcasm went over my head.
  25. Helen wrestled folkstyle in high school and placed 6th in MD. So if she is what you base your thesis on, try again.
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