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  1. I agree. Cael fell into essentially the perfect situation for his particular history and skill set. He is a wrestling legend. There are some super-stars who merely want to be where he is. That was the start of it. Penn State had always been a relatively weak recruiter in-state. For every Quentin Wright they got, there were half a dozen Jordan Olivers/Coleman Scotts/Jarrod Kings that got away. But Cael walked in, bringing David Taylor as a recruit from OH, and suddenly the Altons came on board and PSU became the place to be. Now the PA stars that had been going away suddenly wanted to stay home. Out of state superstars want in on the fun. It helps that more than the big 3 (Taylor/Ruth/Wright) have been significant in PSU's growth. When Nico comes in and makes the finals as a frosh, of course Jimmy wants part of the action. Brown sits for a year and suddenly he's in the finals. Penn State is a very attractive place to be for the big time kids. They can see themselves making the next step with a top coaching staff and other budding stars in the room. Last year I remember posts implying that when the big 3 were gone, we'll learn how good a coach Cael really is. I'm thinking that question is close to being answered already.
  2. What's the deal with you, Hammerlock? Are you just a troll or are you just seriously jealous of PSU? Between you and NJMarty it's getting somewhat tiresome. It's quite obvious that Marstellar and Nickal will both be tremendous assets to this stellar lineup. They will fill in admirably at the very time when they are needed. Any normal person will recognize, like Penn State or not, that Marstellar and Nickal will plug up the middle of that lineup beautifully. Your post should have been: Good News for Marstellar
  3. I actually threw my final bout. It was kind of a strange situation. The day before the post-season tournament that was the NCAA qualifier for us, I dislocated my ankle at practice. The trainer taped it up and I was entered, but my left leg was totally immobile. I couldn't push off, barely could move it. In the first round I wrestled a kid I had hammered during the regular season, but my 2nd round bout was to be against the kid that went on to win Nationals that year. I had lost to him by 2 points during the season, but didn't figure to do as well wrestling him on one leg. I had given up a total of 3 back points in my entire career - JrHi, HS, College - the last back points when I was in 10th grade. Never been pinned. I didn't want to let go of that stat. I guess I wanted to maintain that record. So when I caught the kid I was wrestling in the first round on his back, before the ref slapped the mat I let him up. It was one of those spare of the moment decisions. I just decided to lose rather than face the national champ on one leg. Geez, I still don't know whether or not I made the right decision. I really thought I had a shot at the guy before I was injured. But on one leg? No shot.
  4. and while we are at it, let's ban American football, too. No one else around the world wants to watch that boring sport when they can watch a dozen guys running around in shorts chasing a soccer ball and scoring 2 or 3 times every 80 minutes - now that's entertainment. I suggest the author of this thread watch all of the freestyle he wants and please keep his nose out of folkstyle.
  5. NJMarty--- you are a troll. Other NJ posters must be embarrassed by the things you say on this site.
  6. Just a question: If you find wrestling so boring/repulsive, why do you frequent a wrestling website?
  7. TripNSweep lives in the Virgin Islands, so swimming tennis and golf are probably the only sports they have to offer his kids. Seriously, there is very little validity to trip's apparent paranoia for his children. What wrestling has to teach is far more important than how to wrestle. It teaches discipline, self-reliance, planning, and the value of commitment to a goal among many other things. I'm far enough away from my coaching time to have seen my kids go from young ones, to high schoolers, to college and then to adulthood. So many of them have become very successful adults and many of those continue to love wrestling and count it as an important component in their growing up experience. At the same time in my entire history of coaching over 20 years, I cannot remember one major injury any of our youth wrestlers incurred. Heck there were darn few minor injuries. There may have been a broken hand once, incurred when the kids were fooling around before practice (not wrestling). And none were ever allowed to cut weight while in our youth program. I just don't agree with trip's POV in this. Doesn't make sense to me.
  8. I coached many hundreds of young ones over the years. Every story is different. When to start varies based upon emotional and physical maturity. Sometimes it merely varies based upon opportunity. The average kid should start around 7 years old. In our program, we never discussed winning or losing other than to say that it doesn't matter until you reach junior high or high school. We never forced kids to go on to the mat, and we made sure that to the best of our ability the parents were there for support only, never pressure. I know this may sound like the rantings of a bleeding heart liberal, but we eliminated team scoring from our dual meets. No more hiding kids to prevent a loss, no more pressure to 'win one for the team'. No more parents fighting in the stands. Coaches met before every dual to honestly (for the most part) attempt to match up kids based upon ability and experience. I had a team full of studs and many rarely wrestled their own weight and age group. They got better competition and didn't have to worry about winning or losing. And in the post season, those younger and smaller kids at their actual age and weight sure looked a lot easier. This method worked. One of my earliest teams included about 22 6-7 year olds, and all but one or two started for his high school. We encouraged the kids to not wrestle year round, but to play other sports in the off-season. I can remember telling them that when they were standing in the outfield waiting on a fly ball, they should think of themselves as wrestlers who like to play a little baseball. And that's what they were. (well, one of them ended up pitching for the Mets, but he was the exception.) Some kids can start at age 5, though it's kind of rare. I remember having a 6 year old who I knew from the start was going to be a star. He ended up as an AA at Oklahoma University. But I wouldn't hold a kid back until 10 or 12 or Jr High unless it was absolutely necessary. He's going to take a boat-load of butt kicking until he starts to catch up, which could take years. The trick is to keep them involved with as little pressure as possible. Those of us who love wrestling know the most pleasure is derived from that perfectly thrown move, the camaraderie of the room, the satisfaction of being a part of something important. The kids who were getting blown out by the early-developing studs at age 7 would be knocking off those early developing studs by age 12. Saw it happen over and over again. But the experience they developed from starting at age 7 traveled with them through high school. Don't deny your kid the pleasure and opportunity of starting young. If done right, wrestling is pure fun for a kid. Why take that away from him?
  9. I think a more interesting topic would be the weakest successful wrestler you know. There many successful super-studs. It's the successful average-body kids that impress me. They do it with stealth, timing and moves. I had a friend who never lost weight; never lifted weights; never ran laps; practiced about 45 minutes a day; was a member of a party fraternity; didn't wrestle in the off season; looked like they pulled him off of the street and pointed him toward the mat. Yet in duals he trashed everyone from 147 to 191 - wherever the coach needed him. And he was a two-time NCAA Division 1 finalist while wrestling for a Division 2 school. He lost one NCAA final by a ref's decision in OT against a kid from Iowa State, who was exactly the kind of moose this thread is about - super strong. So I guess I'm saying - the strong kids you expect to excel. It's the average Joe who can get by on pure talent or brains or something - that I really respect.
  10. What many of you may not understand is, this kid wrestled in Philadelphia. Before this year, Philly had never had a state champ - Joey Galasso from Father Judge won states this year as a Jr and he is a big-time stud! But getting back to our boy of the thread: it is totally possible that he has only scratched the surface of his talent. I'm not trying to demean Philly wrestling, but the Public League teams have practically no experience and the coaches aren't very well known either. Now the Philly Catholic league is a different story. Until recently, LaSalle College high school had Vic Stanley as its coach. Vic had won the state team championship with Council Rock in the seventies and has consistently put out great wrestlers. When LaSalle entered the PIAA they hit the ground running. They had several state place winners their first year. I guess what I'm saying is: our boy of the thread may have a heap of untapped potential just waiting to be cultivated by a great coaching staff. That is, if the staff takes the time to cultivate it. Your average PIAA District runner up is a pretty good wrestler, but will not necessarily improve exponentially at college. But the District 12 (Philly) runner up could be good or mediocre. But he may also have a heck of an upside as well.
  11. another anecdotal response: My brother and I had practically the same high school careers - both state place winners with solid credentials. He chose to go to a top -tier Division 1 school. He ended up behind a 3x National champ and wrestled about 3 matches in his career. Hey he was undefeated, though! He ended up only wrestling when the coach called him to fill in and he didn't even practice with the team. I took his experience to heart and went to a division 2 school. Started all 3 years and had a ball doing it. Take that for what it's worth.
  12. Stovepipe: my friend wrestled for Clearfield in the '50s for Art Weiss. His brother was a state champ. The meet I was referring to was Clearfield-Bellefonte. 5,000 attendees. I lived in SE PA in the 60's and HS wrestling was pretty close to the top there, too. Over 2,000 fans was not unusual to an important dual meet. Even in the 80's when my son wrestled for Downingtown, for important duals, they would pack the gym and then put the overflow in the cafeteria with closed-circuit TV.
  13. dang, my high school team attendance (back when I wrestled) would have landed on this top 10 list - around 5th or 6th. It's hard to handle the decline in interest in wrestling. I have a friend a bit older than me whose hs team would sometimes pull in 5,000 for a dual (I saw the newspaper report of one match - they had to move it to PSU's Rec Hall to handle the crowd). Thank goodness Iowa and PSU are still drawing decent attendance.
  14. "Fatigue makes cowards of us all" -- Vince Lombardi I always used that quote to motivate my kids to get in better condition.
  15. Ray is of course correct. It's kind of odd that people base their self-worth upon the number of quality wrestlers that reside within some imaginary geopolitical lines. I personally am delighted that wrestling in PA is so good, because I get to watch it every year. I think my first year in the current string of years that I have of attending PIAA states started when Ray was a Sophomore carrying around a gumby doll. (Though I went a number of times in the '60s as well.) Ray, fyi, I coached Petroski from age 5 thru 9th grade. He gave you a nice bout at states one year. I admit to starting a PA thread recently, but it wasn't to goad junior trolls like njmarty. I was trying to restart the old AA vs AAA argument in PA fueled by the results of Flonationals where the AAA wrestlers performed fabulously and the AA wrestler were merely terrific. I actually only got one response from an AA fan. The rest of the post was hijacked by a couple of nj people. Hey, it's the off-season now and it's kinda fun to stir the pot a bit. But putting your eggs in the 'my state is great' basket seems a bit strange.
  16. No love for Lehigh? Here's a small school that competes with the big boys every year. They should make top 10 about half the time, I'd hope. (Actually my brother hopes, 'cause he's an alum.)
  17. btw, Bono was from Pennsylvania too. He just happened to spend his HS years in Florida. When he was a youth wrestler, I coached against him. Even have a picture of him when he was about 10 standing around watching a bout with a couple of my kids. and originally I've had many arguments supporting Kolat over Marsteller on the local boards. But Marsteller keeps getting better and keeps winning. It's reached the point where I'm open minded about who is better. Maybe even leaning towards Chance. Just to show how far Chance is above the rest of the country, at PA states he beat Peppelman 17-5. Peppelman was Beast of the East champ this year. That makes some kind of statement. I saw Mocco in HS. He was a terrific heavyweight. In that weight class he was dominant. But... imo there aren't the high numbers of quality wrestlers at heavyweight. That class often requires a different style that wouldn't work in a normal weight class. Mocco was designed to handle those big guys and more power to him.
  18. Been around a long time. Saw a lot of the best. imo the Weircioch match was an anomaly based upon Chance's lack of conditioning coming back from an injury. I was eager to see the rematch at PA states, but Marsteller was more interested in kicking the crap out of a Central Dauphin kid than wrestling Weircioch again. I heard that Marsteller doesn't think much of CD's methods and wanted to spank their star. He did. I said, I don't know how good he is. Over the years I've seen several returning state champ vs returning state champ matches in the PIAA finals. It's usually competitive at least. Marsteller has done that twice and he's massacred both of his opponents. Maybe I'm wrong, but Marsteller is approaching the pinnacle. I've seen most of PA's greatest wrestlers since the 1950's. I watched Mike Johnson win his 4th. I saw Shalles and Matter, Cuvo, Moore, Hughes, Kwortnik, Hunter, Scott - and Kolat. and a bunch of other studs that would mean something to knowledgeable PA people. It's hard to admit, but right now, I think Chance might be the best of all time in PA. I'll wait a while to bestow him that title in my own mind. But he certainly has done nothing to damage my opinion of him yet. How you see a clear separation between Kolat and Marsteller is beyond me. Their styles are different. Kolat was a force of nature and Marsteller is a relentless machine. Marsteller isn't going to hurt anybody physically, but he is going to make them feel like a tackling dummy. Kolat was capable of inflicting real pain. If that makes him better than Marsteller, then so be it. I don't think it does.
  19. I saw the match between Shalles and Chatman. At the time, Chatman was a God. He was a middle weight who had won PA states as a Sophomore - unheard of back then. It was an amazing match. In my memory, there was some sort of controversial call late in the 2nd period that went against Shalles. Chatman had nothing to do with it, but the crowd turned ugly. They were actually throwing quarters onto the mat. It looked to me like Chatman deflated. Later in the 3rd period, with Chatman deep in on a double leg, Shalles pulled off the most unbelievable elevator I've ever seen, turning and pinning Chatman. At the time I thought it was the biggest upset/fluke of all time. Guess I was mistaken. Shalles was only a 2x NCAA champ because of some NCAA rule. He was declared ineligible as a Senior for having done something naughty post-HS before he started college. Know this: Shalles won at 150 and 158 as a Soph and a Junior (pinning in the finals as a Soph). Then as a Senior he wrestled the PA state college championships at 177 to get some better competition. He pinned Shorty Hitchcock in the finals. Two weeks later, Shorty Hitchcock won the NCAA's at 177 and was named outstanding wrestler. Does any of this modify your opinions about Wade Shalles? btw --- Kolat was as great as they say. He was the only wrestler i ever saw who, when he went on the mat, I feared for the safety of his opponent. When he was a freshman I saw him attempt to tear a kid's head off with a front headlock. I thought it was going to come off at the root. Maybe other wrestlers were better. None were more frightening. finally--- Chance Marsteller --- who is to say how good he is. The only time he has ever been tested is when he was just coming back from a major injury and wrestling up a weight against one of the best wrestlers in the country. At the last two PIAA championships, Marsteller wrestled returning PIAA AAA state champs in the finals and tore both of them to shreds. He keeps up relentless pressure. Brill of Central Mountain kept it close in 2012 for about a period and a half by expending every ounce of energy he had. By that time he had nothing left and Marsteller had his way with him. I have no idea how Chance will do post-high school. But now, at this time, he is the best high school wrestler in the country and maybe even the best ever. Will he burn out? Will others catch him? Will he get bored because of the lack of competition? Don't know. But I sure hope I find out while he is wearing Blue and White.
  20. you are another racist right wing fool who would rather see our country lose than see our president succeed. That makes you an anti-American, not the president.
  21. Favorite lousy rule change of all time: when I was a kid, everyone whined about the USA doing poorly at the Olympics. In 1962 there was the following rule change: 1st takedown 2 points. Every subsequent takedown - 1 point. That sure helped guys prepare for freestyle wrestling by encouraging them to not do takedowns. That one lasted one year but it almost cost me a match when I was in 9th grade.
  22. This is typical post-season talk when the people who didn't come out on top explain why they actually did come out on top but the system worked against them. The team champ was Penn State. That makes them the: Best "TEAM" It's how things work. Revisionism after the fact is a favorite American historical pasttime. Hey, it gives people something to do. Still, I'd bet that a dozen years from now if they look into the record books, people are going to say, "Wow, Penn State must have been one terrific team back then." ---sorry to say, but Minnesota's name probably will not be mentioned. They might even say: "Geez, how did PSU win four in a row!" -- but that's a topic for another thread.
  23. Hey, I was at PA states, and Chance was wearing a PSU tee shirt. What more proof do you want?
  24. there are several PSU haters on this site that just won't shut the heck up. Is nothing PSU does ever right? Conaway's a staller - though he kicks butt in the 3rd period. Brown hangs on to headgear. You hate the announcers; you are jealous of the coaches. Even though Penn State stinks and never does anything right, seems to me the final score was 33-9. They were lucky.
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