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Everything posted by BuckyBadger

  1. Thanks for posting. Do world and Olympic medals get equal weighting in your scoring?
  2. How much do the top 2-3 guys in the US make as full time wrestlers? Not just from competitions or salaries from coaching or club sponsorships, but also from endorsements etc? Burroughs over the last 10 years or Snyder over the last 5-6 are probably the best examples to look at. Is it reasonable to assume they each make $200k or more a year? In some of his post-Olympics interviews Gable Steveson has talked about his desire to make some money while has an opportunity. Gable would seem to have a similar trajectory to Burroughs/Snyder. Both won Olympic gold early on in their careers. Both have been in the top 2-3 US wrestlers for most of their careers as well. But Gable also seems to have more upside financially given the interest from WWE etc. Could Gable make more than a couple hundred thousand a year as a wrestler? If he went the WWE route could he make so much more that it’s not a comparison?
  3. A lot of the Americans we see wrestling for other countries actually have ties to those countries through family history. It’s a relatively quick process to get citizenship, so they can do it 6 months or so before the Olympics. For example Gentry, Dolly, Amine etc had parents or grandparents from those countries that made them eligible for citizenship fairly quickly. As far as others that you mentioned like Cox or Nickal, I don’t think there is any well known connection to other countries. Unless they have some connection, who would they go wrestle for? It would be random, and citizenship would likely take a long time. The Russians who go wrestle for other countries typically don’t do it right before the Olympics. They get citizenship and wrestle for them for a good chunk of their careers. The Americans that we see do it are usually in and out right around the Olympics.
  4. Money is a great motivator. I bet it would improve it significantly. Of course our medal output in recent years is usually 0, sometimes 1.
  5. Given that the IOC tried to drop wresting once and that our governing bodies like FILA/UWW don’t have a great record with corruption I’d agree that this is cause for concern.
  6. No system is perfect, but overall it would lead to a more balanced field.
  7. What does it mean for them to be cancelled? Aren’t they pretty much over already?
  8. I watched some of the Judo and what they do is anyone that loses in the quarters makes it to the repechage. This seems like a good approach since it’s very hard to make the quarters if your not competitive. The system we use where anyone that loses to a finalist is very random in who is drawn back in. It does a poor job of picking the “best of the rest” to battle for bronze. If you look at the matchups for the first round of repechage you often see someone who is outclassed. If we took anyone that lost in the quarters I think you’d have a much more competitive repechage.
  9. As long as adding new styles doesn’t mean replacing existing styles…
  10. Exactly, it’s not that getting silver is always a worse feeling than bronze. It’s losing in a way when you had gold at your fingertips. It just messes with you in such a torturous way.
  11. Mental breakdown. I guess being in the Olympic finals does that to you.
  12. All credit to Gable, he earned it and I’m glad he won. But I feel for Geno. To get taken down twice in the last fifteen seconds is a brutal way to lose. Especially at heavyweight where everything just happens more slowly. He did what he needed to turn the match back in his favor, had it in his hands and probably should have won. My wife told me about a recent study where the researchers found that bronze medalists were happier with their achievement than the silver medalists. I don’t how you can accurately measure or quantify such a thing, but the conclusion makes a lot of sense to me. To get denied when you are so close to gold has to be a sort of mental torture. At least with bronze you go out with a win and you have some level of redemption. For Geno this will probably be one of those moments that always haunts you. Like Bill Buckner in 86 or when Terry Brands lost to Cross at the Olympic trials. He has got to be rerunning those last 15 seconds in his head over and over right now. I feel for the guy.
  13. I hope you are right. Earlier post says otherwise. Perhaps it was not an Olympics or World tournament.
  14. You can, and it happens. But there is also a reason the majority of medalists are in their 20s. For most guys, when you hit 33 you are past your peak.
  15. Rules that separate refs/competitors from the same country is obvious. I can’t believe that this is an oversight and hasn’t occurred to those in charge at UWW. As a sport that doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to corruption/payoffs and suspicious reffing, wrestling sure seems to miss the gimmes or low hanging fruit. Every Olympic cycle we seem to be fighting for our place in the Olympics. Stuff like this is easy to correct, but I’m sure won’t happen. SMH
  16. I sure hope you’re right. If Gable beats Geno the way he beat Akgul I think it has to be the performance of the tournament.
  17. One advantage Gable has is nobody really knows him on the international stage. Aside from juniors has he competed overseas? I wonder if the Turks were really aware of how dynamic Gable is and maybe just thought they could have the same approach as usual. Geno is probably more aware now than if they met before the final. Hopefully it is an advantage for Gable that they haven’t wrestled before. It’s easier to know how to wrestle someone the second time around. But I think Gables quickness for a big guy could throw Geno off.
  18. This is true, not enough credit is being given to Dake’s opponent. I think he’s got a real shot against Sidakov.
  19. That is very surprising they let a ref and competitor from the same country be part of the same match. Seems obvious that shouldn’t be allowed to happen. Imagine a World Cup game where they tried to assign a ref from the same country, no way it could happen.
  20. The matches weren’t wrestled at the same time. Gable had already won. I may be confusing this with other sports, which I do believe have this sort of rule to minimize any corruption.
  21. What has been said about the weigh in and Dake not looking like himself may be true. But to me he seemed to get complacent once he got scored on the first time. He’s been the man for a number of years now and I don’t think he’s ever been down like that on the big stage, even against Burroughs. It was like he decided he was going to go upper body no matter what to try and even the score and kind of lost sight of a game plan. It just kept getting worse each time and kept going for big moves.
  22. In the heavyweight quarter final between Mongolia and Germany the ref was American, and the winner would wrestle Gable in the semis. I was always under the impression that in addition to a ref from a certain country not being allowed to ref matches involving that country, it was also not allowed for a ref from a specific country to ref matches where the winner/loser will wrestle the country the ref is from. Was this ever a rule, and did it change recently?
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