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    BuckyBadger reacted to Timo in Soviet breakup impact on men's FS medal numbers   
    I have compared 2 time periods - 1960-1991 with 1993-2021 to estimate the impacts on medal counts for the former Soviet Union and Soviet bloc countries before and after the soviet union breakup.  It is an excel workbook with 2 pages and would print on 4 printed pages.  If you can't get excel and would like to look at, email me and I will paste it into Word or something else (timjoemcc@gmail.com).  The information is shown by country for both time frames with total medal count and gold medal count.  I found it pretty interesting to do but I am a nerd number type guy - not for everyone I know.  The several key messages are:
    * The Soviet Union won 26% of all medals and 46% of gold medals in the 32 year period from 1960-1991.  The former Soviet Union won 47% of all medals and 53% of gold medals in the 29 year period from 1993-2021. Russia performed much better in acquiring gold medals than did the other 10 countries in the former FSU that won wrestling medals.
    * The USA won 13% of all medals and 13% of gold medals in the 1960-1991 time frame.  The Soviet Union won 113 more medals than the US and 100 of them were gold during this period.  The USA won 11% of all medals and 16% of gold medals in the 1993-2021.  The US medal count dropped overall but the % of gold medals increased.  The US had 45 fewer gold medals than Russia and 85 fewer than FSU.
    * As everyone knew, the breakup of the Soviet Union led to the FSU countries dramatically increasing their total and gold medal counts.
    * I compared the Soviet Bloc countries to see what happened to them (Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia). Their total medal count went from 26% of all medals down to 6% after the Soviet breakup and the gold medal count went from 9% of all gold to 4% of all gold.  So the change was dramatic and the opposite of the countries in the FSU.  I had not realized this impact and don't know why it happened (eg. maybe the Soviet Union subsidized wrestling in these countries and the money dried up?, or ???).
    * The combination of the Soviet Union + Soviet Bloc won 51% of total medals and  55% of gold medals before the Soviet breakup and 52% of all medals and 57% of gold medals after the breakup.  So the breakup of the Soviet Union made it harder for a non Soviet related someone to win a medal but not nearly as dramatic as when you look at the FSU numbers alone.
    * One other detail, the average number of weight classes was 9.4 for the 1960-1991 period and 8.0 for the 1993-2021 period.  So the wrestling talent was more concentrated in the fewer weight classes in the post Soviet break up era (same number of wrestlers in ~85% of the weight classes).
    * Wrestling medals increased for Cuba, India, and Iran after the Soviet break up (as measured by % of total medals won).  Turkey remained constant.  Every other significant wrestling country had their overall medal count drop after the Soviet break up - including the US which went from 13% to 11% of the total medal count as mentioned previously.  Japan had the biggest drop - they went from 9% of all medals to 3% of all medals.Soviet Breakup Info.xlsx
    I can send anyone a list of all the wrestlers names, medals, weights, countries that I used if you want the next level of detail. Just email me if you are a glutton for data.
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    BuckyBadger reacted to irani in Toughest weight classes in Tokyo   
    When Otoguru was coming on to wrestl, the Iranian announcer said " Otoguru does not appear to have any muscles, but he is one of the best wrestlers around"
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from Yellow_Medal in Future of Olympic Wrestling   
    As long as adding new styles doesn’t mean replacing existing styles…
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from grappler111 in Bad news...   
    Given that the IOC tried to drop wresting once and that our governing bodies like FILA/UWW don’t have a great record with corruption I’d agree that this is cause for concern.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from grappler111 in Future of Olympic Wrestling   
    As long as adding new styles doesn’t mean replacing existing styles…
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from npope in Are the Olympics Really Being Cancelled   
    Ahhh, never mind I get it.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from TheOhioState in Petriashvili and The Agony of Defeat   
    All credit to Gable, he earned it and I’m glad he won. But I feel for Geno. To get taken down twice in the last fifteen seconds is a brutal way to lose. Especially at heavyweight where everything just happens more slowly. He did what he needed to turn the match back in his favor, had it in his hands and probably should have won.
    My wife told me about a recent study where the researchers found that bronze medalists were happier with their achievement than the silver medalists.
    I don’t how you can accurately measure or quantify such a thing, but the conclusion makes a lot of sense to me. To get denied when you are so close to gold has to be a sort of mental torture. At least with bronze you go out with a win and you have some level of redemption.
    For Geno this will probably be one of those moments that always haunts you. Like Bill Buckner in 86 or when Terry Brands lost to Cross at the Olympic trials.
    He has got to be rerunning those last 15 seconds in his head over and over right now. I feel for the guy.
     
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    BuckyBadger reacted to BAC in Petriashvili and The Agony of Defeat   
    Not sure I need to read a study to know that.  Just look at the podium of a medal ceremony.  The bronze medalists look like they're tripping on molly at a rave somewhere, and the silver medalist looks like someone just shot his dog.
    That said, Geno was all class.  Sucked it up, both after the whistle and at the ceremony.  Respect.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Dake - What was wrong with him?   
    What has been said about the weigh in and Dake not looking like himself may be true.
    But to me he seemed to get complacent once he got scored on the first time. He’s been the man for a number of years now and I don’t think he’s ever been down like that on the big stage, even against Burroughs. It was like he decided he was going to go upper body no matter what to try and even the score and kind of lost sight of a game plan. It just kept getting worse each time and kept going for big moves.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from wamba in Steveson - Petriashvili gold medal match   
    Most or all of Gable’s takedowns were working the head and getting behind Akgul without having to get under him.
    Akgul seems more conventional in his style, excellent technique combined with the way he can move for a big man gave him a large advantage versus most of his competition. Gable’s athleticism and movement is even better, so Akgul wasn’t able to play to his strengths.
    Petriashvili seems like a much tougher match up than Akgul, primarily because of his pinning/big point move potential. He has the type of offense not typical for a heavyweight.
    I like Gable’s chances on his feet. If spends too much time under Geno, or tries to fight some weird position on the mat he could be in danger.
    I was a bit surprised at how competitive the match was with the Mongolian. Gable had to really work for it. I’m not sure if it was because the Mongolian was that good or if Gable closed up a bit so he didn’t make a mistake.
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    BuckyBadger reacted to Jrr277 in Steveson - Petriashvili gold medal match   
    If (big if) Steveson disposes of Geno like how he has his previous three opponents, I don't think it's a stretch to consider him right up there with Taylor as the best P4P wrestler in America. Maybe even better than Taylor.
     
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from HurricaneWrestling2 in Dake - What was wrong with him?   
    This is true, not enough credit is being given to Dake’s opponent. I think he’s got a real shot against Sidakov.
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    BuckyBadger reacted to BTC in Steveson - Petriashvili gold medal match   
    Not just his quickness but also his power. Gable is an athletic freak. I mean how many 250lb+ people do you know that can pull off a back hand spring so effortlessly? 
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    BuckyBadger reacted to GockeS in Dake - What was wrong with him?   
    guys the BLR wrestler (not going to spell his name) is incredible
    he wiped chamizo away like a fly so many times he tried to press him
    dake was simply not ready for the strength and the gameplan the guy had
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from wrestlingnerd in Dake - What was wrong with him?   
    What has been said about the weigh in and Dake not looking like himself may be true.
    But to me he seemed to get complacent once he got scored on the first time. He’s been the man for a number of years now and I don’t think he’s ever been down like that on the big stage, even against Burroughs. It was like he decided he was going to go upper body no matter what to try and even the score and kind of lost sight of a game plan. It just kept getting worse each time and kept going for big moves.
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    BuckyBadger reacted to Voice_of_the_Quakers in Discussion thread for 74kg (m), 125kg (m), and 53kg (w)   
    You think of a lot of things that can happen at a tournament.  That is not one of them.
    I think he's been in control for so many matches for so many years he didn't know how to handle one mistake and just kept compounding them.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from dman115 in Fencers protest own team mate   
    I’m a pretty staunch believer in innocent until proven guilty, and pretty reliably am against canceling someone who has been accused of something.
    However, for athletic competition you want to maximize performance. Team cohesion and morale is very important. And if you have a member of the team that stirs up that much resentment and bad feelings, that cohesion/morale is gone.
     
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from de4856 in Olympics Day 1 Discussion   
    Cuba with two to the semis, while Russia and Iran see both guys lose. 
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in Olympics Day 1 Discussion   
    Ciobanu is a monster. That guy came to wrestle today.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from denger in Olympics Day 1 Discussion   
    Ciobanu is a monster. That guy came to wrestle today.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from Ohio Elite in Fencers protest own team mate   
    I’m a pretty staunch believer in innocent until proven guilty, and pretty reliably am against canceling someone who has been accused of something.
    However, for athletic competition you want to maximize performance. Team cohesion and morale is very important. And if you have a member of the team that stirs up that much resentment and bad feelings, that cohesion/morale is gone.
     
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from Ohio Elite in Fencers protest own team mate   
    I’m no legal expert but if you were fired from your job over accusations that were not proven I’m pretty sure the company could be sued.
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from GoNotQuietly in yet another Olympic viewing option thread...   
    Once you sign up for Fubotv, go to the nbc sports app. When it asks you to sign in, select Fubotv as the provider (not your cable provider). 

    The nbc app allows for replays of any event you want to see. It’s a better watching experience than the fubotv app.
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    BuckyBadger reacted to LJB in Olympics Day 1 Discussion   
    he is a little premature...
    it is a common male problem...
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    BuckyBadger got a reaction from LJB in yet another Olympic viewing option thread...   
    Once you sign up for Fubotv, go to the nbc sports app. When it asks you to sign in, select Fubotv as the provider (not your cable provider). 

    The nbc app allows for replays of any event you want to see. It’s a better watching experience than the fubotv app.
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