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  1. Freshman were not eligible when Bill was a freshman. Of that I am quite sure, and he beat the defending champ in a scrimmage before heading off to war. He would no doubt have been a 4xer.
  2. Interesting that Dylan Palacio is entered at 157. This would be his first matches this year and at the lower weight. Should make 157 pretty interesting.
  3. There are lots of negative comments on Cornell's performance in the Scuffle, but looking at where the team is at now and where they will be in March is what I'm looking for. Garrett upset in the finals and will get another shot at their dual in a week. No problem with Garrett. Grey just dropped to 133 and is still settling into the weight. He will be fine. Still establishing who will be the starter at 141 but not a strong weight for them. Didn't have Villalonga as he's banged up but he's having another great year. Realbuto wrestling his first matches since blowing up his knee in March. He wrestled sloppy but he will be fine after a few more weeks of live wrestling. Palacio has only wrestled a couple matches coming into the tournament and like Realbuto will be fine. Picket is wrestling pretty well as an unranked guy and will score some points. Dean is still the man to beat and looked much like the Dean of last year with a dominating tournament. Bennett placed and had a pretty good tournament. I think the weight changes and getting a couple of their stud back in the lineup made them look worse than they are. They still finished 6th with all the changes and missing a highly ranked starter! No need to panic guys...they will be in the hunt in March, which is much more important than the Scuffle.
  4. I must say, as a PSU fan for many years and mostly underachieving years, I understand their excitement to finally field dominating teams. We always hated Iowa but I never thought it was their dominance, it was their fans and any time they lost a match, it was the ref, stalling, injury, or whatever excuse they could conjure up. I am not an PSU fan anymore as I root for another team for personal reasons. I am happy for their success, but the very things they hated Iowa for, they have become. Nobody ever beats their guy fair and square...it's the ref, stalling, injury, or whatever fits. I find it painful to read their forum anymore as it's the worst I've read. I really try to be objective in any match I watch, and there are a couple examples where you have to scratch your head to wonder if you watched the same match. Ruth/Dean...Ruth was sick, Dean stalled, and so on. Steiber/Retherford...tell me how that Retherford ride was anything but a ride, objectively. Watch the Dean/Ruth match and how Dean rode the ankle on every start, then watch the Garrett/Mega match and watch how Mega did the same thing...watch them. We all look through our own team colored glasses but at some point objectivity and reality has to be a thought. I just think PSU fans should sit back and appreciate this time and this team with some class, and quit whining about every call in every match. The reality is your guys will not win every match and sometimes it's because the other guy beat them. Sometimes the calls go the other way but it evens out. They will win their 4th title this year as it's theirs to lose, but take the good with the bad and move on.
  5. I must say, as a PSU fan for many years and mostly underachieving years, I understand their excitement to finally field dominating teams. We always hated Iowa but I never thought it was their dominance, it was their fans and any time they lost a match, it was the ref, stalling, injury, or whatever excuse they could conjure up. I am not an PSU fan anymore as I root for another team for personal reasons. I am happy for their success, but the very things they hated Iowa for, they have become. Nobody ever beats their guy fair and square...it's the ref, stalling, injury, or whatever fits. I find it painful to read their forum anymore as it's the worst I've read. I really try to be objective in any match I watch, and there are a couple examples where you have to scratch your head to wonder if you watched the same match. Ruth/Dean...Ruth was sick, Dean stalled, and so on. Steiber/Retherford...tell me how that Retherford ride was anything but a ride, objectively. Watch the Dean/Ruth match and how Dean rode the ankle on every start, then watch the Garrett/Mega match and watch how Mega did the same thing...watch them. We all look through our own team colored glasses but at some point objectivity and reality has to be a thought. I just think PSU fans should sit back and appreciate this time and this team with some class, and quit whining about every call in every match. The reality is your guys will not win every match and sometimes it's because the other guy beat them. Sometimes the calls go the other way but it evens out. They will win their 4th title this year as it's theirs to lose, but take the good with the bad and move on.
  6. This is such a ridiculous post it's hardly worth commenting on it, but I will. I don't think you could have taken his words more out of context than you did. The coach was talking about 5-6 yr old kids pushed into competition that aren't ready to handle it at that age. He mentioned kids crying on the mat and that these situations reflect on the parent pushing them into it. He believes they should learn skills but not get into competitions until they are mature enough to handle it. He's talking about a select group of parents that do this and I agree. I've seen youth tournaments where the parents are screaming to the kids what to do as they're filming them, while the coach is yelling at them too. Then when they lose they cry and stomp off the mat. That's the point he was trying to make. These are the kids that more often (as he states) are out of wrestling by the time they're 16. These are also the kids that are burned out in high school or college. Please listen again to what he said versus making up some totally twisted view and posting it as a slam to a very good coach.
  7. WTF!!! Dake has graduated already. How long are we going to keep debating who was the better wrestler? The first criteria in any tiebreaker I've ever seen is head-to-head. Dake is 5-0 against Taylor so far. That's pretty dominating and I think at this point in their careers...end of story. Let Taylor enjoy his senior season, appreciate how very good he is and his amazing talent. He's the best college wrestler in the country right now and will win the Hodge again. Appreciate that and find something else more current to debate than Dake/Taylor. PSU fans and fellow Dake-haters will never believe, no matter how many times Dake beats him that Dake is better, so let's move on. Let's talk about Steiber - Retherford!
  8. IMFAN

    PSU Fans

    I've read most of the forums as a curiosity to what people thought of the Dake-Taylor match and I must say the PSU forum is absolutely crazy. These people, who just won their 3rd team title in a row, can only talk about how Taylor got screwed. I was at the match and was hoping that finally all the whining about stalling and bad calls would be put to rest with a solid Dake victory...wrong! I've always known how passionate Iowas fans have been but these PSU nuts take it to a new level. How can you possibly watch that match and think Taylor got screwed and that Dake was stalling, simply because he rode their boy like he's never been ridden. That has to be stalling! If putting in a half, lifting your opponent and trying to turn him to his back on the mat return is stalling...or bringing him back over and trying to roll him over is stalling....wow, then there should have been 30 stall calls in the finals with guys doing much less. I even saw a post on their forum saying Dake is on PED's. Are you guys that obsessed? Anyone that beats your beloved boys has to have cheated because for God's sake they don't just lose because the other guy is better or just plain out-wrestled them. No PSU wrestler ever stalled this year so let's get that straight too. Let's please get some sanity back in the sport...stalling will always be a point of contention with it's inconsistency, but to use it over and over after every loss is just sick. Kyle Dake, whether you like him or not, is one of the greatest wrestlers in NCAA history and the record shows that. Please give the guy his due. He beat 2 PSU guys for titles and 2 Iowa guys for titles, so no secret why those fans don't like him, but at least acknowledge his incredible talent. He beat Taylor, one the best ever in college, and did it 4 times this year...4. Are they all screw jobs? It's over now so please, for the sake of the sport, have some sportsmanship and quit crying like your 125lb guy did on the medal stand. Accept that someone was better that day. I guess the guys that beat the Alton's were stalling too? OK, I've made my point. I don't write on these forums very often but some of this stuff is unbelievable!
  9. Just remember when you pick against Dake...you are usually on the losing end. Poeple have doubted him and rooted against him for 4 years now, either because he's so good or he regularly beats their guys. And....he always takes things up a notch at the NCAA's, especially in the finals where he has yet to be really challenged. If anyone has a good chance to beat him it is Taylor, but he better bring his A+ game or he will fall like the rest, and Dake will have completed something the sport has never seen and may never see again. Not to be lost in all this discussion is the fact he wrestles for a small Ivy League school, which makes this all even more amazing when you think of the history of all the great wrestling powerhouses. Cornell has made it's mark as a tremendous wrestling program, especially over the past 10 years, but it's still remarkable in the grand scheme of things if he accomplishes his last challenge. Just win baby!
  10. OK, I have to comment on the crazy complaints about one of the greatest college wrestlers who has a chance to make history in March. I have seen all these comments, primarily from PSU fans, of his "obnoxious, cocky, etc." reaction by Kyle Dake to winning big matches. I watch a lot of PSU matches and almost every win by Taylor at home is followed by him pumping the crowd to celebrate an expected win over an inferior opponent. Kyle Dake has reacted, and rightly so, to winning NCAA titles 3 times with similar energy and he is condemned by the PSU faithful. He reacted after the finals of the Scuffle, and with all the hype and booing from PSU fans, he spends 2 seconds waving to the crowd, and he is called all sorts of names through the different sites. Ed Ruth taunts his opponents and puts on a show to belittle them in front of the home crowd, Taylor regularly pumps the crowd, and if Dake does it, because he just beat yet another PSU wrestler, he is called all kinds of names. Accept this....KD will have won his 4 titles by beating 2 Iowa finalists and 2 PSU finalists and if that doesn't allow a kid from an Ivy League school to raise his hands and celebrate w/o stupid fans who after 4 years still can't accept his incredible talent.....you are pathetic!
  11. Yes, Jackson Morse took him down and I was at the match at the duals to witness it, but lets put it in perspective....Dake was going crazy trying to pin the guy as the team needed the points and in doing so, injured his shoulder. Morse took him down as time was running out as Dake was unable to defend himself with one arm and just let him take him down to avoid further injury. He couldn't even hold up his arm to shake hands after the match. Yes, it's in the books as a takedown but it was not defended.
  12. Ok, so it's no secret the PSU fans have already started to erect a statue to DT and if he gets beat there are an infinite number of excuses. The throw by Dake in FS would have been only 2 for Taylor? you need to watch the match w/o the Nittany blue glasses. No back points for Dake? TD for Taylor? Seriously! If you truly watched the match with objective eyes, Taylor did come around at the end but Dake never lost control going off the mat. That's 2 and 2 in folkstyle, which is the same it scored in FS. Dake would not have gotten the throw in folk? That's not a move specific to FS as I know it. No pin, yes I agree with that but it would still be another 2 + 2, which by my folk math would be 8-0 in 2 periods. I totally agree that a folk match if it ever happens would be much different and DT has the ability to beat Dake, but to wipe the match away like it never happened and make excuse after excuse to justify the great one losing, and to of all people a Cornell wrestler...well this is just crazy stuff. He beat your beloved Tank, DA, and now DT. There are so many reasons why but one may be, and you obviously will never accept it, is that Dake is one hell of a wrestler and will go down as one of the best ever. DT most likely will as well, so just let things take their course and see what happens. Excuses are for losers. Remember it was the PSU fans that were all over the message boards wanting a Dake/Taylor match at the trials and they got their wish. They just can't accept the result and that is sad. I am not from Cornell but I would bet they would not act the same way, especially since they didn't need Dake to beat guys at different weights to justify his goodness, and why does PSU do that with DT? Go figure...
  13. I'm from Pa and saw Kolat wrestle in high school, and have also seen all the high school greats of the past 30 years, and nobody is even close to the style, creativity, and total dominance of his 4 years. There are many who can claim better or similar college stats and styles, but purely from a high school perspective, nobody can be mentioned in the same breath.
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