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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from mlbruem in RTOC teams   
    What's interesting to me is the highly ranked Non-D1 guys filling up each weight class.  Don't know anything about guys like 157 Weber (#1 in NAIA), 165 McLean (#1 in D2), etc., but will be interested to see how they compete against the big boys from D1.
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from mlbruem in RTOC teams   
    Here are the (Intermat) ranked wrestlers for the College Division.  I did not include RS's.
     
    Ranking-Division-Wrestler-School   125 3.(Division 2) Darek Huff - Adams State 3.(NJCAA) DeVaughn Sapien - Clackamas 4.(NJCAA) Francisco Barrera - Southwestern Oregon 7.(NAIA) Mhar Caballa - Eastern Oregon University (OR) 8.(Division 1) Sean Fausz - North Carolina State 9.(Division 1) Ronnie Bresser - Oregon State 11.(NAIA) Isaac Wilson - Providence (Mont.) 13.(Division 1) Connor Schram - Stanford   133 3.(Division 2) Darek Huff - Adams State 9.(Division 1) John Erneste - Missouri 18.(NAIA) Blake McNall - Eastern Oregon University (OR)   141 2.(Division 1) Kevin Jack - North Carolina State 3.(NJCAA) Ralphy Tovar - Clackamas 4.(Division 1) Bryce Meredith - Wyoming 4.(NAIA) Devin Poppen - Southern Oregon 5.(Division 1) Jaydin Eierman - Missouri 7.(NAIA) AJ Rockwell - Eastern Oregon University (OR) 8.(NAIA) Matt Weber - Montana State-Northern 12.(NAIA) Andrew Ramirez - Southern Oregon   149 4.(NJCAA) Jasiah William - Clackamas 5.(NAIA) Shonn Roberts - Providence (Mont.) 10.(NAIA) Chandler Michael - Southern Oregon 12.(Division 2) Natrelle Demison - Adams State 16.(Division 1) Grant Leeth - Missouri 17.(Division 1) Beau Donahue - North Carolina State 20.(Division 1) Khristian Olivas - Fresno State   157 1.(NAIA) Brandon Weber - Montana State-Northern 2.(Division 1) Joey Lavallee - Missouri 6.(Division 2) Payton Tawater - Colorado Mesa 6.(NAIA) Hunter Hodges - Southern Oregon 6.(NJCAA) Isaiah Diggs - Clackamas 8.(Division 2) Kyle Fantin - CSU Pueblo 9.(NAIA) Casey Dobson - Providence (Mont.) 10.(Division 1) Paul Fox - Stanford 14.(Division 1) Clayton Ream - North Dakota State 16.(Division 1) Hayden Hidlay - North Carolina State 16.(NAIA) Drake Randall - Eastern Oregon University (OR) 17.(Division 1) Archie Colgan - Wyoming   165 1.(Division 2) Tyler McLean - Simon Fraser 2.(Division 2) JaCobi Jones - CSU Pueblo 3.(NJCAA) Dayton Racer - Clackamas 7.(NAIA) Andrew Bartel - Montana State-Northern 10.(Division 2) Jason Buhr - Colorado Mesa 15.(Division 1) Brandon Ashworth - Wyoming 17.(Division 1) Andrew Fogarty - North Dakota State   174 1.(NJCAA) Dylan Reel - Clackamas 4.(Division 1) Daniel Lewis - Missouri 4.(NAIA) Adrian Lyons-Lopez - Providence (Mont.) 11.(Division 2) Bruno Niccoletti - Colorado Mesa 13.(Division 1) Keaton Subjeck - Stanford   184 2.(Division 2) JaVaughn Perkins - CSU Pueblo 2.(NJCAA) Tanner Harvey - Southwestern Oregon 3.(Division 1) Pete Renda - North Carolina State 6.(NJCAA) Nick Maximov - Clackamas 7.(NAIA) Randy Keesler - Providence (Mont.) 9.(NAIA) Tyler Webley - Providence (Mont.) 18.(NAIA) Steeler French - Montana State-Northern   197 2.(Division 1) Willie Miklus - Missouri 2.(Division 2) Morgan Smith - Simon Fraser 2.(NJCAA) Wyatt Westfall - Southwestern Oregon 3.(NAIA) Tanner Fischer - Southern Oregon 5.(NAIA) Isaac Bartel - Montana State-Northern 7.(Division 1) Mike Macchiavello - North Carolina State 7.(NAIA) Eric Fan - Eastern Oregon University (OR) 11.(Division 1) Corey Griego - Oregon State 15.(NAIA) John Hensley - Providence (Mont.) 16.(Division 1) Nathan Traxler - Stanford   Hwt 3.(NJCAA) Miguel Morales - Highline 11.(Division 1) Nathan Butler - Stanford 11.(NAIA) Mathew Hopkins - Providence (Mont.)
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to mlbruem in It's A Shame   
    another ignorant post by blinded individuals - Cox beat your boy get over it.
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to The_MO_Godfather in Missouri vs Ohio State Thursday   
    Why only if the duel is in jeopardy? That's the frustrating part...he should be going for bonus every time he steps on the mat. Hate to say it but that's the difference between PSU and MIZ...PSU fails if they don't get bonus.
     
    I'm just as much of a Mizzou homer as you are, but a 2-time NCAA champ and Olympic bronze medalist should, at minimum, major every opponent not in the top 5.
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to Pinnum in Missouri's success with out top recruits...why?   
    In the last ten years, Edinboro has had four top-10 finishes. Two less than Missouri.
     
    If you look at who has had athletes featured in matches on ESPN on the big stage Edinboro has actually been represented more often:
     
    149-#5 Gregor Gillespie (Edinboro) Dec #3 Josh Churella (Michigan) 3-1SV
    174-#1 Ben Askren (Missouri) Dec #2 Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh) 8-2
    125-#2 Troy Nickerson (Cornell) Dec #1 Paul Donahoe (Edinboro) 2-1 TB
    165-#12 Jarrod King (Edinboro) Dec #2 Andrew Howe (Wisconsin) 3-2
    285-#2 Mark Ellis (Missouri) Dec #5 Konrad Dudziak (Duke) 3-2TB
    184-#6 Max Askren (Missouri) Dec #1 Kirk Smith (Boise State) 10-3
    197-#1 Cam Simaz (Cornell) dec #2 Chris Honeycutt (Edinboro) 7-5
    141-#2 Kendric Maple (Oklahoma) dec #4 Mitchell Port (Edinboro) 4-3
    197: #2 J'Den Cox (Missouri) dec #1 Nick Heflin (Ohio State) 2-1
    141: #1 Logan Stieber (Ohio State) dec #2 Mitchell Port (Edinboro) 11-5
    149: #1 Drake Houdashelt (Missouri) dec #3 David Habat (Edinboro) 3-1SV
    197: #2 J'Den Cox (Missouri) dec #1 Morgan McIntosh (Penn State) 4-2
     
    National Champions:
    Missouri - 6
    Edinboro - 2
     
    Runner-ups:
    Edinboro - 5
    Missouri - 0
     
    Both programs get a lot out of their athletes. If B.Smith and Flynn were able to land recruits like Sanderson, J.Smith, and Ryan then I don't doubt they would be able to win a National title on occasion.
     
    I think the Regional Training Centers have a lot to do with recruiting now. You go to a college program that is less about who your teammates will be and more about what Olympic hopefuls you'll be working out with. If an athlete just cared about winning an individual NCAA title then you'd see more top prospects going to programs like Edinboro and Missouri but there are a lot of ancillary benefits that some of the top programs are able to offer that are not included in the University resources.
     
    In my opinion, there are a lot of great college wrestling coaches out there (and only a few that probably shouldn't be coaching) but there are very few that are given the resources to be able to compete in the current framework over the long haul.
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from quanon in Missouri's success with out top recruits...why?   
    http://d1collegewrestling.net/Recruiting_Top150.html
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to Creek chub in Cliff Keen Invitational   
    You are right about butler. He will get epperly in the semis. He beat epperly like two or three times last year. Epperly met him at the ncaa's and rode him like a rented mule and stuck him though. If Blaise makes the finals I suspect he will beat realboto
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to scottcutbirth in Cliff Keen Invitational   
    Luke Fortuna is registered at 157 for Missouri
     
    125 McGee
    133 Synon
    141 Manley
    149 Mayes
    157 Fortuna
    165 Lewis
    174 Butler
    184 Milkus
    197 Cox
    285 Romero
     
     
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from scottcutbirth in Cliff Keen Invitational   
    Couple of thoughts, mostly as a Mizzou homer...
     
    - Hope Barlow ends up on the opposite side of the bracket from NaTo.  I think he's got a good shot at going far on the front side if he doesn't run into NaTo early...
    - Is Nahshon too fast for Brewer?  Brewer is more technically sound, but good lord Nahshon is fast.  At least he was at 125.
    - Not an insider, but I think the plan was to RS Lavallee this year.  If redshirts can't compete in this tournament, Missouri may have already pulled his RS (I can't see him being seeded if he didn't register).
    - Blaise Butler will be the 174 champ...mark my words.
    - Looking forward to seeing Dean/Stauffer and HOPE to see how Miklus can do against Dean.
     
    Wish I could make it out for this...looks like some excellent matches.  When do the actual brackets get released...anybody know?
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to Serial_Thriller in Scoring Question Eblen of Missouri   
    Guess he should have slammed him. The consequences are much less severe....
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from KCMO2 in Scoring Question Eblen of Missouri   
    It's funny how Gilmans slam of Waters at the National Duals was worse than what Eblen did, but Eblen gets DQ'd and removed from an NCAA event.  Maybe the same NCAA folks that made this decision should have been at Carver a few weeks ago.  Just sayin......
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from tigerfan9311 in the disappointment of mayes   
    Agreed.  Eblen's first round loss hurt...bad.  And Mayes not advancing through the second round was bad as well, especially against a guy he's already beat this year.  I had Lavallee losing in round 1, and am glad that he pulled bonus in the 1st round of WB's.  I expected Mellon to lose to Coon, so nothing different there.  And Mr. England was a very pleasant surprise in round 1, so that helped.
     
    The thing that aggravates me a bit is the lack of bonus points by our big 3, and one of the reasons that seeding properly is so important.  I watched J'Den's first round match, and it looked like he was just trying to save his energy for the next 4 matches, not trying to score a lot of points.  With about 30 seconds left, he started aggressively trying to get more takedowns for a major...why weren't you doing that the whole time?  This is what separates the team champs from the rest...just ask PSU.
     
    The key, as you mentioned, is going to be for Eblen, Mayes and Miklus....and hopefully Lavallee and Mellon, to get some bonus on the back side.  We also really need the big 3 to push hard for bonus.  It will be very tough in the quarters and beyond, but that's the way we can win this thing.
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from Cletus_Tucker in Flagrant Misconduct   
    Gilman leaned forward to get momentum and threw his body back on top of Waters...anyone that says that's not flagrant is flat out delusional.  What if Waters would have been seriously injured?  What if he landed on his head and broke his neck??  Would that constitute ejection and missing the Big 10's?  Waters wouldn't be able to continue his season and go to nationals if that happened, so why should Gilman?  I seriously don't see how anyone can think what he did was okay...he's very lucky Waters didn't get injured.
     
    I really hope the NCAA committee reviews this and takes action...this kind of thing has got to stop.  Intentionally trying to hurt another wrestler is just not okay, frustrated or not.  And it certainly isn't okay in the real world.  I can't use the excuse in court that I slammed some guy against the ground because "I got carried away".
     
    It makes me sick that anyone would defend this.  Shame on you.
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from KingK0ng in missouri   
    In the Iowa/Cornell gif....look at those classy Iowa fans in the background!  Something to be proud of representing your team, Vak!
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to stp in The Iowa way   
    Thugs and dirty.  I hope Gilman gets suspended for B10's. 
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from TFBJR in Flagrant Misconduct   
    This is how the situation should be treated, IMO.  Waters pushing off of Gilman when he stood up in the first 2 periods isn't going to cause serious injury.  The little shove to the back of Gilman's neck by Waters isn't going to cause serious injury.  Getting momentum and throwing your entire body weight like Gilman did, with force, can very easily cause serious injury.
     
    Whether Waters is hurt or not, I think Gilman's season should be over to teach both him and Brands a lesson about their ridiculous idea that being a thug is the same as being a tough wrestler.
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    The_MO_Godfather got a reaction from TFBJR in Flagrant Misconduct   
    Gilman leaned forward to get momentum and threw his body back on top of Waters...anyone that says that's not flagrant is flat out delusional.  What if Waters would have been seriously injured?  What if he landed on his head and broke his neck??  Would that constitute ejection and missing the Big 10's?  Waters wouldn't be able to continue his season and go to nationals if that happened, so why should Gilman?  I seriously don't see how anyone can think what he did was okay...he's very lucky Waters didn't get injured.
     
    I really hope the NCAA committee reviews this and takes action...this kind of thing has got to stop.  Intentionally trying to hurt another wrestler is just not okay, frustrated or not.  And it certainly isn't okay in the real world.  I can't use the excuse in court that I slammed some guy against the ground because "I got carried away".
     
    It makes me sick that anyone would defend this.  Shame on you.
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to tigerfan9311 in Flagrant Misconduct   
    It's not true. Just wondering if it would matter.
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to Cletus_Tucker in Flagrant Misconduct   
    I've been very vocal today about not feeling this should have been a DQ.   I am open minded, however, and your argument has shown me the light.   Well done M.r Nerd, I agree with your point.   Gilman should have been DQ'd and his season should be over.   It doesn't change I loved what I saw out there by both squads, but in the interest of fair play and upholding the rules, that should have been called a DQ and hopefully sanctions come down next week.   Sadly. Brands has to be taught a lesson and his leash needs shortened before Iowa completely ruins wrestling.   
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to LkwdSteve in Flagrant Misconduct   
    I watched the replay in slo-mo. It didn't look like an elbow to the back of Gilman's head by Waters. Waters took his left hand and cupped the right side of Gilman's head/chin and pushed it to the left. Gilman reacted by going at Water's legs as he was stepping away. This was all, of course, post-whistle. I'd guess that the Asst. Ref made the call to ding Waters a point since he was in position to see it and then had to break up the resulting action.
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to TBar1977 in Flagrant Misconduct   
    No joke, I thought the same thing. Look at Terry's antics all weekend jumping up and down on the mat like a nut. He is not doing the sport any favors with this crap. Then look at the guys \blocking opposing wrestlers from heading to their lockers. Then what Gilman did today. 
     
    This is part of a years long pattern at Iowa. 
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to IronChef in Flagrant Misconduct   
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to TBar1977 in Flagrant Misconduct   
    Great work, wrestling nerd. Game, set, match. What Gilman did deserved a DQ, but its Iowa so all is cool with the refs. Shocking!
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to wrestlingnerd in Flagrant Misconduct   
    You are wrong. It is often called a DQ because it is flagrant misconduct, absolutely unacceptable and bush league. Injury or no injury, the move is the same and can result in DQ. It's like punching a guy in the face. If the guy doesn't go down, it's not flagrant misconduct? I have seen the exact same situation called a DQ at least half a dozen times in person. 
     
    How is what Gilmand did any different than this, which happened in 2012 at the Reno TOC. http://www.flowrestling.org/video/673111-Gutches-Slam#.VOo_ZVXF-UM.
     
    Brock Gutches slammed a kid from U. Ohio in the finals in the exact same situation, from bottom when the other guy was riding legs. 
     
    Now see the brackets here: http://rtoc.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/2012-RTOC-College-Brackets10.pdf
     
    DQ.
     
    What Gilman did was no different, except Waters was aware enough to avoid getting his head slammed. I'm all for a little rough play, but refs' #1 job is to protect the athletes' safety and the move Gilman did is extremely dangerous because it can lead to a guy landing with two people's weight on his head. It's a really cowardly move.
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    The_MO_Godfather reacted to wrestlingnerd in Flagrant Misconduct   
    There is no difference in the move they hit. The difference is the outcome. So one guy landed on his head, the other avoided it. That doesn't make the move any less flagrant. If I swing at you and you duck and I miss, is my punch not flagrant? 
     
    Should've been DQ without a further thought.
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