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  1. I know this was done earlier, but I think it could be really fun with a few parameters.  Here are the rules:

    2 Offensive moves (burroughs double, John Smith Low Single, etc)

    1 Counter-offense (Kolat rubber knee, Askren Funky fresh, etc.)

    1 Bottom (Nico Sit-out, Kyle snyder baby stand up, etc)

    1 Top (Robles Tilt, Ruth cradle, etc)

    1 Tangible/Intangible (Metcalf gas tank, Dake "ability to win," etc.)

     

     

    My picks:

    Offense

    Isaac Jordan - Head inside Single, Alex Dieringer - lefty near arm-far leg

     

    Counter Offense:

    Burroughs - Head Block to Single

     

    Bottom:

    Isaiah Martinez - Cartwheel

    Top:

    David Taylor - Tilts

     

    Tangible/Intangible:

    Cael Sanderson - Pace


  2. With a three point takedown rule the top man stalling will decrease, with that being said, the stalling from neutral will increase exponentially. A portion of stalling has always been from the wrestler who gets ahead early and stalls his way to victory. So would you rather see stalling from mat wrestling or from neutral.

     

    What?  You have no way to quantifiably or even anecdotally say that stalling will increase in neutral.  AT ALL.  If even anything it will decrease stalling on the feet.  I'm not sure if you've noticed, but kids are trying to score points.  And I'll give the officials a little credit here, but stalling is being called more forcibly since the 80s.  Not as forcibly as I would prefer, but still much better.  

     

    Plus, with a 3 point takedown, and the four point nearfall, you will see the comebacks we all love.  Coupled with the increase in stalling calls, and you have a better product.  Since the four point nearfall, we've seen an EXPONENTIAL increase in scoring on top.  The evidence points that wrestling will increase when you increase the point value, not vice versa.


  3. I really don't think that'll happen - do you?? (Serious question - not being smart.) After his success at the Olympics I find it hard to believe he'd miss his shot at Worlds in 2017. Unless he thinks he has a legit shot at the NFL and lots of money.

     

     

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    J'Den is a different breed.  Talks a lot about not wanting his legacy to only be about wrestling.  He's serious about the 2020 Olympics, but 2017 Worlds?  I don't think he cares.  He had to be convinced to even wrestle at the Trials.  He definitely wants a *break* and a different challenge.  He'll NEVER have the opportunity to play football again, a sport which he loves.  Wrestling?  It's clear he'll have that for as long as he wants to compete.


  4. Has J'Den confirmed that? After the Olympics?

     

    Said it at his Olympic reception party and repeated it again in multiple news outlets.  J'Den is not the BSer type, so I would say him saying it publicly on two different occasions and the Mizzou football coach confirming his having a conversation with J'Den, would indicate his mind is set.

     

    He could, as my wife has told me repeatedly, "I reserve the right to change my mind."


  5. It does exist, but the difference is that we the people hate it and demand it stop if we find out about it.  We cheered for Usain Bolt to beat our own star Gatlin at the Olympics because Gatlin has been a cheat in the past.  Lance Armstrong went from being one of the biggest stars in America to one of the most hated.  Two of the best baseball players in history, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, are still hated now years after their careers finished.  They can't even get any votes to go into the Hall of Fame, a place of honor for the best retired baseball players. 

     

    If one of our international athletes gets caught doping, we are embarrassed and hope they have a very big punishment.  In shame/honor cultures in many other nations, they will be blindly loyal to their guy and and insist it must be politics that caused a positive drug test.  This is the difference.

     

    Russians that keep saying we Americans are just using politics to try to keep Russians out of the Olympics or sports don't understand us.  We love to watch Sadulaev and Geduev and Ramonov--unless they test positive for drugs.  Then we hope they get a big punishment. American sports fans don't hate Russian people or some other group.  WE HATE CHEATERS!

     

     

    No. It doesn't.  I was specifically talking about STATE-sponsored doping.  There will always be cheaters.  But like you and I have both intimated, as a country, WE HATE CHEATERS!


  6. Evil Russia made bad things again! LOL  Lol-Face-Animated-Gif-08.gif

     

     

    Abdullahgadzhi,

     

    Understand, there is cultural difference between the two nations.  While state-sponsored doping and match-fixing are a staple of Russian sports (see: Tsargush vs. Saitiev).  That doesn't exist here in America.  So much so, that we go after our own heroes (ask Lance Armstrong)

     

    Instead of throwing up a picture of cartoon stick figure, why don't you give us a little perspective from your side of the ocean?  


  7. Regarding what happened in Rio, I personally do not believe that corruption (if there was) to be located in the main head; I think the head had the misfortune to rely on officers who have proven unreliable, contrary to what he imagined. The chain of command includes the head and also the chiefs who make decisions under him: If these officers are wrong (more or less voluntarily) the fault is definitely them, though it is still the responsibility of the head. So I believe that the head should at least revise its judgment towards those officers who have not proved equal to their tasks. I hope that removing the bad apples from the basket we will have a proper situation.

     

    No.  It's not that simple and is not only the fault of the officers.  The numbers support a conspiracy in which the head knew and directed certain officials to certain matches.  What we saw at the Olympics, the obvious corruption, the officers being 'banned' - only one person assigned them to those matches.   Heads need to roll here.  But, alas, it is FILA, and they do not care.


  8. The All-Star COULD be one of the biggest events of the year.  I know it's hard with wrestlers not always being able to commit, but here's what I would like to see.

     

    125: Gilman vs. Dance

     

    Dance always shows well in the early-season.

     

    133: Clark vs. Tomasello

     

    Fireworks baby!

     

    141: Heil vs. Meredith

     

    Both earned it.

     

    149: Sorenson v. Mayes

     

    You'll see

     

    157:  Retherford v. Nolf

     

    Don't know if the rules allow this, but if so, man would we all love to see this.  Cael has always seemed like a forward thinker.  It'd be unique and deserved to be honest.  

     

    165:  Martinez v. Isaac Jordan

     

    Isaac is stronger than he looks.

     

    174: BoJo vs. BoNick

     

    NCAA finals preview

     

    184: Gabe Dean vs. Mark Martin

     

    We'll get to see where Martin stands

     

    197: Pfarr vs. Downey

     

    Downey could end up in the finals.  Always a throw away.

     

    285:  J'Den Cox vs. Kyle Snyder

     

    Cox is NOT going to be holding his weight down this season.  He's already stated he'll be playing football in the spring.  Snyder isn't the biggest Heavy out there anyway.


  9. Seems a little corrupt to let him wrestle. Did it follow any type of criteria?

     

    Nothing corrupt.  It was a perfect storm of events.  Because one guy got hurt, his replacement got in a car accident, and the host country, if I remember correctly, didn't have anyone prepared.  There is a classic interview on Flo, where Zadick GOES OFF on Martin Floreani after the Trials for a question that asked how he felt about winning, but not being able to go to the Olympics.

     

    "Are you American?!"  - Gold level terseness.  


  10. Sorry all -- what the hell are you talking about? Is there a back story here that can be explained? Thanks in advance if you can do so, it sounds interesting.

     

    I'll take a little credit here.  I was the first person to post that Mike Zadick would be receiving a wildcard entry at the 2008 Games.  Well, the mods were having none of this and deleted my post.  It turned into quite a conspiracy because plenty of people had seen the post, and if I remember correctly, one of the mods actually came on and defended deleting the post.

     

    So, the boards had a field day - He Who Shall Not Be Named was born.  Then Zadick lost anyway, so, it was like, well?  What was the point of the secrecy?  Apparently USA Wrestling was afraid that mere mention of Zadick being awarded the wildcard would send the Chinese into a tizzy.  

     

    Someone remind me.  The person who gave up the spot, didn't his replacement get into a car accident?  


  11. In my opinion, too many things have to go right in order for Okie St., Iowa, or VT to win it. They don't seem to have the same depth or "sure things" that PSU and Ohio State has. 

     

    Penn State and Ohio State have very similar line ups in terms of sure things and potential All-American's. They seem, at least before any matches have been wrestled, to be just a step above the others. 

     

     

    Here's the thing.  Iowa and Okie State HAVE the AAs on the roster.  They have more depth than Penn State currently.  When it comes to unproven, its Penn State that is actually on the clock this year.  

     

    Suriano - True Frosh.  Is used to being the strongest wrestler on the mat

    Cortez - No important Folkstyle wins

    Gulibon - history says its really hard to go from non-AA to big jump as a senior

    Joseph - No of-note Folkstyle wins

    174/184 - Whoever is not Nickal also has no AA. Can McCutch stay healthy

    197 - Cassar can't keep his shoulder on, had no of-note Folkstyle wins.  Stout?

    285 - Can he stay healthy?

     

    I think it's amazing how much credit we give Cael and Co., and he really deserves it.  But Okie State and Iowa are the favorites on paper.  With a LOT LESS questions than Penn State.  Going to be an interesting year for sure, and I'm picking the field.  Makes you realize how good of a coach we think Cael is, that with this many ? in the lineup, we consider them a better pick than the field.


  12. I see PSU running away with it no matter what Joseph, Guilibon, and Cassar do.

    Zain rapes the field again.

    Nolf is no worse than 2nd, likely champ.

    Nickal is top 3.

    Suriano top 5.

    Nevellis a R12'r or better.

     

    If they get anything out of those 3 the door is closed to all but a perfect performance by Iowa.

     

     

    Ummm... Then you'd be wrong, and really bad at counting.  If PSU only has 4 AAs, with, as you stated above - only 3 possible finalists, yeah, they're not in the top 4.


  13. Because Dean is a hammer and much better. IMO, if Dean wore an Iowa, PSU, or Ohio State singlet, he'd be getting a lot more respect that he does.  He's set to go 3,1,1,1 - He lost one match last year coming off what I've heard was a legit case of the flu to the eventual 4th Place NCAA finisher and avenged that loss bigtime in the NCAA quarters.  I put very little on that match.  His last losses before that both came in 2014 in Vegas.  He's a beast, and I'd be very surprised if he gets knocked off.  He can wrestle in a close match and not really be in any real danger of losing, reminds me of Cox in that respect. 

     

    That's the whole point.  OF COURSE he is much better.  Dean gets plenty of respect.  I would be surprised if he got knocked off, I just said "why not" - because there isn't anything else to go off of that would indicate Nickal could beat him.  But this is the NCAAs - strange things happen.  I just didn't want my picks to all be so easy.  I'm the one person picking Dean to lose.  And "why not?"  This is a message board thread guy.


  14. Don't forget VT (especially if they have two finalists like you listed)

    125: Gilman over Suriano (man 125 sure clears out)

     

    133: NATO over Clark (my heart tells me Brock will be in the finals)

     

    141: McKenna over Heil (Could see Jack in the finals)

     

    149: Retherford over Sorenson (Micah is going to make a run, as long as he's not on Retherford side)

     

    157: Nolf over JoJo

     

    165: IMar over Isaac Jordan (Massa could be in over Isaac)

     

    174: BoJo over Crutchmer ( if Nickal is here, he's in finals, loses to BoJo)

     

    184: Nickal over Dean (why not)

     

    197: Cox over Kollin Moore (weight class isn't that formidable, Pfarr could be in)

     

    285: Snyder over Tanner Hall (Hall is last american to beat Snyder in FS, other than Snyder)

     

    Top 4:

    1. Ohio State

    2. Penn State

    3. Oklahoma State

    4. Iowa 

     

    I'm thinking that top 4 could all be within 10 pts of each other.

     

    Ohio State - 4 finalists, 2 other AAs (Hayes, Micah)

    Penn State - 4 finalists, 2 other AAs (Joseph, McCutch)

    Oklahoma State - 3 finalists, 5 other AAs (Picc, Brock, Collica, Rogers, Boyd)

    Iowa - 3 finalists, 5 other AAs (KemDawg, Bull, Meyer, Brooks, Stoll)


  15. Interesting that Roselli is said to be pursuing VT assistant Tony Robie. I am surprised he would go to him versus, say, Logan Stieber. Who knows if that's even true, although Flo has been fairly accurate with their news breaks.

     

    The two are GREAT friends.  Take a look at what Robie has done at VT.  I'm not sure how good of a recruiter Lou will be, but Robie can sell.  

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