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  1. That's not uncommon for boys with early birthdays....did it with my son, but in kindergarten....I taught 40 years, and talked this over with a lot of educators before we did it...he wouldn't have been 18 until after he graduated (birthday Aug. 20)


    I was 17 for my entire senior year, turned 18 at the end of July.  If I could turn back time and do it differently I would have liked to have been started later and at least been 18 for my entire senior year.  If I shared my junior prom picture on here, you would laugh, I barely look like a teenager.

  2. All 4 of the 4 timers are great.....to win 4 is amazing, but I saw all 4 of these guys throughout there whole careers, and Dake's feat of winning in 4 different wt. classes, and winning the final one against an amazing David Taylor is very special, but for me personally I really came to enjoy Logan Stieber this year.  He was alway so calm, cool and collected.  He was relentless on his feet, and just amazing on the top.  I think he's the greatest top wrestler of all time.  Most people use the term riding and pinning, I always used the term breakdowns and pinning.  Logan's top wrestling is breakdowns, tilts and pins.  He does this like no other.  I found myself at Big Tens and NCAA's watching his whole match with binoculars (which I don't normally do) to pick up the subtle little things he does on top to setup the many different tilts and turns he creates.  I found him to be very appreciative of the whole crowd and not just Buckeye Nation, as well as of course all of his coaches, team mates, family and more.  Logan brings a whole new meaning to "top" wrestling.


    My wife watched the interview  that ESPN did with him after the finals.  She didn't know who he was or anything he had accomplished and I told her what all the fuss was about.  Her comment was, "wow, what a humble kid."  That in itself speaks volumes.

  3. McMullan's NCAA has been impressive as it gets when talking about best to never win a title.  4 years, 1 loss each year and 3 out of the 4 years ends on a win to take 3rd.


    What does he weigh?  I ask this because as athletic as he is, I wonder if he wasn't a bit heavier he may have captured at least 1 title somewhere along the NCAA tournament journey.

  4. My wrestling coach from high school gave me something supposedly belonging to Dave Schultz.  I have a nave blue wrestling warm up from the 1980 World Cup that Dave Schultz supposedly wore.  I have no idea if in fact it was Dave's, but my coach said it was.  It was the only thing my high school coach ever gave me that had any kind of value.  I know this doesn't fit the thread with anything sold or purchased, but to me there is at least a little bit of a connection.

  5. It states on Flowrestling.org, that Mark Hall will be attempting to win his 5th state title.  He is listed as a Junior.  If he comes back next year and wins another that make 6, obvious math.  Was he not a state runner up in Kentucky during his first high school season?


    My question is this, has wrestling ever seen a 7 time high school state finalist?  Is it even possible under any other normal circumstances?

  6. Apparently, you are not aware of the rules.  This exact same thing Chris Fleeger did to Reiter (I think it was) several years ago.  It is only a DQ if Waters is not able to continue.  Know the rules BEFORE declaring what is suppose to be.


    Yes, I am an Iowa fan and yes Gilman deserved the penalty point against him.  Also, Waters recieved the penalty point against him for using Gilman's head as a crutch to get up.  Both were appropiate and neither was acceptable.  Deal with it.


    This should be clarified, it was what Reiter did to Fleeger and it certainly was NOT the exact same thing.

  7. After reading comments regarding the scoring at 125 I thought I would come on and help clarify how it was scored.  I talked with head official Tim Shiels a couple of times before I reported.  He told me that the slam was called on Waters and Gillman was given a point.  That made the score 4-2 (Waters). Then Gillman was called for unsportsman like and Waters was given a point which made it 5-2 (Waters). Gillman scored a reversal in the final seconds to make the final 5-4.  Again, wanted to clarify that the call was a slam on Waters and not Gillman.  That was the way it was called.  I also talked to Mike Allen to help clarify, but he had no comment. My report on BTN was accurate. Hope this helps.  Had a great time at Carver Hawkeye as always.  What a great event!!  Thanks for watching the broadcast.  Talk to you at Big 10's!!   Shane Sparks



    Please explain to me how on earth an official would call that slam on Waters and not Gillman?!?!?!?!?!

  8. So i can't say he is slightly overrated? Who said he isn't proven? What do you mean by proven? This topic as a lot of idiotic math and numbers flying around. 


    I fail to understand the logic in your statement of "idiotic math and numbers flying around,"  Numbers don't lie. I think those 3 questions you asked, you already have the answers to.  

  9. hammerlock3,


    You seem to be very hard to please.


    Dierenger is currently 85-4 with 54 bonus pt. wins of which 29 were pins.  3 of those 4 losses came to 4X AA, 2X Finalist, 1X Champ Derek St. John.


    Year by year:


    2012-2013: 35-3------------21 B.P. wins(10 falls) NCAA-3rd

    2013-2014: 32-1------------19 B.P. wins(12 falls) NCAA-1st

    2014-2015: 18-0------------14 B.P. wins(7 falls)  NCAA-?


    Other than Stieber, who deserves higher praise?  There may be an argument for Delgado but he basically hasn't even wrestled this season.  Cox and Gwiz both lost at the All Star Classic(I count it even if the Metcalf haters do not).  I don't see any other resume that clearly puts someone at the top of their respective weight class.

     I would agree, he was also 17-1 during his red shirt year, that gives him 5 losses in 107 times stepping on the mat at the NCAA level.  I'd say he is proven thus far.

  10. I think so.


    I actually think Jordan is gonna beat Dieringer. He doesn't make many mistakes, and he rides a cheesy cross body thats really hard to get away from (which i consider a hairs breadth from stalling but he's turning guys so that doesn't make much sense i guess). These things kinda impede his bonus point potential against top guys (for now he's just a freshman), but it makes him a tough nut to crack. Basically, there are no easy points scored against him, which goes a long way at the national tournament. 


    He's also the only guy who might be as strong as dieringer. 




    I would pick Dieringer over BoJo by about 3-7 points.

  11. "Empirically" speaking, there is NO right answer.  Unless they wrestled head to head, and even then there are arguments (see Dake vs. Taylor).  There is no real way to quantify who was better.  Sanderson went undefeated while winning 4 Championships.  He has the most clear argument.  Still of all 4 xers none of them were in the same weight classes, time frame or wrestled common opponents.


    When it is all said and done it is 100% OPINION.  If I were a 4X Champ I don't think I would much care where a Forum thinks I fit in with the other 3(there are only 4 currently) or maybe other 5 or 6(as Stieber and Cox may have won 4 by the time Tsirstis may have done so).

    The only thing that matters is that he would be included in very elite company :)

  12. I would respond back to mister T-shirts, "That didn't answer the question posed. Now who do you think is better?"


    Empirically, one of them will be better. 

    That is true, he would probably say Dake was more dominant and may even concede that he is better.  In the grand scheme of things, it is pretty irrelevant.

  13. Here are two scenarios:


    Scenario A: wrestler A wins 4 NCAA titles finishes undefeated at 150-0.  Has 80 pins, 30 techs, 30 majors and 10 decisions.

    Scenario B: wrestler B wins 4 NCAA titles finishes undefeated at 150-0.  Has 150 decision wins by a single point.


    Either way you slice it, wrestler A, wrestler B are 4X national champions.  Does is matter the fashion in which they win.  Maybe to the forum posters, but certainly not as much to them.  


    Just because wrestler B wins his first national title all via 1 point decisions, it is expected he comes back the following year and destroys the competition because if he was good enough to win it, he is good enough to dominate.  He then comes back his sophomore year and continues his close winning ways and people bash him for it.


    In all honesty it doesn't matter.  If an NCAA wrestler has loss upon loss during the regular season and comes in and delivers at NCAA tournament time, and wins the whole dang thing he is the champ.  Dominance, lack of dominance, pins, decisions, techs, majors, it doesn't matter.  When your hand is raised at the end, you are the winner.


    If, and a big if,  T-shirts wins 4 titles and you ask him after his final win, "who is the better 4 timer, you or Dake."  His likely response is, "it really doesn't matter."

  14. Keep in mind that this is not a movie of the book.  It's not as if this book has been around for years and then they turned it into a movie.  I'm pretty what happened is that a chapter from one of the very early versions of the book caused Bennet Miller to want to make this movie.  He (and the screenplay writers) then did a significant amount of research (consulting Mark Schultz and many others), along with some fictionalization, to tell the story the way he wanted it portrayed.  This is my understanding at least.  


    I understand that.  I guess it sends a mixed message by sharing the same title.  I have the movie on a flash drive waiting to watch it, I have had the time to do so.  Yet, I haven't and I am not sure that I will.

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