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  1. Excerpt from AWN Reders' Challenge - Rules "article: The brick? Now we’re trying to emulate football, basketball, and baseball to microscopically determine a call with video review? It’s wrestling. Things happen fast and creating rules where control is fleeting will encourage more “bricks.” This disrupts the flow, the momentum, and even the outcome of the match. Part of the requirement of wrestling is developing stamina and timeouts hurt the guys with the best conditioning. Rules that allow the match to flow seamlessly with minimal interruptions is a keynote of the game. Rules should reduce or even eliminate questionable calls, not encourage them. As an example, the hand touch is not indicative of command, mastery, and dominance. Those three components were obvious for scoring when the rule was “supporting points” had to be down on the mat. There were fewer interruptions to the match. There is some argument that stalemate calls should be stalling calls. From my perspective, if one cannot successfully break away or the offensive man is in danger of being scored upon by a great counter, a smart wrestler then creates a situation where neither man can score. And what’s wrong with that? Should he just relinquish the points? We want to penalize someone for protecting himself? Why should anyone be punished for being smart and savvy? A stalemate isn’t bad; it’s smart wrestling to be creative and save oneself
  2. Thanks Gimpeltf...Yeah, I'm a little deficient technologically...I have a DVD that was transferred from VHS and I"m trying to post it on the website...perhaps someone can tell me how to do that.
  3. 1972 CHAMPIONS not sure if I did this correctly...this is the highlight video of the 1972 NCAA Championships...perhaps someone can talk me thru the process if this didn't work
  4. Tobus...Yes, those big guys were were seen as you described and put fannies in the seats and the media couldn't help talking about them. Great publicity! I'm helping a local h.s. and was talking to a kid who wants to wrestle...but he weighs 330...has no clue how to lose wt., but wants to be involved in the sport..comes in everyday and does what he can, but he'll never make the wt. ..and he actually has some athletic ability. So, as you stated, we will either lose him to some other sport or he will end up doing nothing. My dad was always proud of the fact that wrestling was a sport that any kid, any size, could be a state champion and compete in college. Unfortunately.... Guys like Wojo, Thacker, Taylor, Jackson, etc., were fun to watch and great promoters of wrestling, and when they hit the mat, the whole building shook!
  5. Sparky...you are absolutely correct...they did separate in '74...anyway, there were some tough hombres that came out of that "college" division and I wish they would include DII/DIII in the NCAA's now.
  6. John and Witherman....thanks for the kind words. for a guy who absolutely hated the sport growing up and then fell in love with it at MSU, I truly appreciate the era, the rules, the atmosphere, the athletes, and popularity wrestling enjoyed during my generation. Some folks criticize the past and the wrestlers of those days (e.g.the techniques wouldn't work now, they'd get killed by the wrestlers today, etc.), but there were some really great rules, some great wrestling, great wrestlers, and special moments for the sport back then. Chris Tayler was something like 6'7 / 6'8", but man, he could wrestle. And boy, could he draw a crowd! A very funny guy too. Schalles was incredibly fun to watch. Funky before the word was ever used to describe a wrestling style. The Peterson's were tough. Greg Johnson was an absolute machine, fearless, tenacious, hard nosed, relentless! Anyway, thanks again and hope you all have a safe and happy Thanksgiving.
  7. I believe Barton qualified as a wildcard from DII. And Barton took out the 5,4,1,and 2 in that order...He won is first match 11-5, then 6-6, 4-3OT (2-3-3, 1min rest, then 1-1-1), then 8-5, then 5-3 in the semi's, then 8-6 in the finals.... I'm pretty sure they took the 1 & 2 and several wild cards in DII and all the DIII champs plus a few wilds...I could be wrong on the exact numbers....Also, Hvywt Chris Taylor, Iowa St., weighed 400+. I wish they would reinstate the "unlimited" weight class again. Having the 118 and UNL truly gave a lot of guys a chance to compete at the college level, reinforcing the concept that virtually any one, any size, could get a scholarship and compete collegiately in sport... like wrestling. Back then there was no 9.9 limit on scholarships or how many could be in the room...And Doug Blubaugh was Grady's asst at MSU until 1973, then he left for Indiana.
  8. The concept of it, I'm fine with. What it means now, in execution, has become a painful point in our sport. How many matches in recent memory are 3-2 decided by 1:04 of riding time where it's grab ankle until a four count, drive opponent down to the mat, rinse, repeat. As I have stated several times on this forum, there are consequences for being inept or unskilled. When one can demonstrate dominance, control, and mastery, he deserves a reward...be it riding time, an escape point, back points, or a takedown. Escaping from bottom is hard especially if the top man understands the physics of balance, torques, and action/reaction. Bottom techniques are labor intensive and difficult, so I completely understand why folks like freestyle. It eliminates the difficult to teach and learn, top and bottom. And why shouldn't the top man be rewarded with a point for his ability to control? It's very hard to put a decent wrestler on his back, especially the way the rules are set up now...bottom man doesn't have to do much. I read the same gloomy descriptions as yours.. "grab ankle until a four count, drive opponent down to the mat, rinse, repeat." Who's fault is that? Trust me on this...It is grueling for the top man to control a bottom man who doesn't want to be there....Maybe it's just me, but I was taught on bottom the techniques to prevent my ankles from being controlled or taught how to counter ankle control. I think it is incredibly unfair for someone to exhibit control, dominance, and mastery, and get nothing for it. Like high school. The bottom guy gets a point for escaping, whether being let go or earning it...and the top guy gets '0' for the 1:58 he controlled him... I think it sucks in its current format. I believe it should be kept and only scored if a viable nearfall attempt has been scored. We have stalling rules aimed at reducing "riding" yet we still have something called "riding time." I didn't grow up in wrestling from a young age. I discovered it in my teens after being an avid and rabid fan of all sports. It's one less nuance as well. When I went to the Virginia Duals and saw the second clock, it confused me. Without fail, I have to explain riding time to every single high school fan under the age of 50 who looks over to watch college wrestling. It's been my personal experience that it's another unnecessary nuance that slows matches down, creates controversial scenarios with ankle riding, added rules to combat it and ultimately, serves as what exactly? I'm not sure how difficult the riding time clock is to understand. It's either red or green and the accumulated riding time is in one of those colors. As far as my experience with explaining wrestling rules to newbies, that one is relatively simple. I'm trying to understand how RT slows matches down...as far as ankle riding...I will reiterate: learning the techniques to prevent or counter those skills solves a lot of problems for the bottom man. I will agree that we have way too many rules and that is what is difficult for me to explain to people trying to appreciate the sport. I think the plethora of rules resulted from the lack of knowledge and skill sets that have gradually gone by the wayside, especially on top and bottom. We have a general societal mentality that when one is superior, something must be implemented to level the field. We can't have Valedictorians. We must penalize wealthy people. If you are good at controlling the bottom man, you shouldn't be rewarded, you must be penalized/not rewarded and we have to do something for the bottom man for parity (instead of the bottom man doing the work and learning the methods to free himself). Some time of weird tiebreaker? With all the attacks on freestyle and its criteria, we decide a winner based on seconds of riding time when athletes go into the tiebreakers. In many sports, races are won by 1/100ths and 1/1000ths of a second. Touchdowns/first downs are made on fractions of inches. Putts are made or missed by fractions of inches. Same thing with "safe" and "out." And if a wrestler loses/wins a match because of a few seconds riding time...so be it. No one should be able to "hang on the ankle." That's not right either, but I certainly do not begrudge anyone who can control the top man with a variety of skills and change-offs...It's very difficult to put a good kid on his back and even harder when he's fighting like hell to get out from bottom...you will be lucky to get riding time....riding time is the reward/consequence for being able to control a bottom man who is very active but can't be put on his back. I think the concept of riding time, perhaps in your era, was justified and provided some merit. I've only been around college wrestling approaching 25 years, so my scope of why I don't like riding time comes from this era. I'm pretty sure that's the mentality of many of those who didn't witness the late 60's, 70's, 80's...I would refer you to watch the Tomasello/Lee match if you want to see excellent top/bottom wrestling...it was with the dual or the BIG tourney...I just remember how impressed I was with how tenacious both were in each position. EXCELLENT. Wrestling's got three positions, top, bottom and neutral. I think proficiency on top should be about turning and going for the fall, not hanging on and going for a point for hanging on for a minute. I guess I don't understand how one can be "hanging on for minute." That should only happen if a ref allows it to happen...and/or the bottom man allows it to happen and has no offense. I will still maintain that if top man was awarded 1 pt for every 30 seconds of control, top/bottom wrestling would be incredibly entertaining... I don't subscribe to a theory that we should go freestyle, but I've just never liked riding time. I also don't subscribe to the theory that one style is wholly superior to the other. I like them both. Thanks for your response and thanks for your many contributions to the sport of wrestling. Respectfully, Pat
  9. Mr. Bryant, I would be interested to understand your view as to why "riding time sucks." Thanks.
  10. Embrace, Just for accuracy, I enrolled at MSU as a 17 yr. old in Sept. of 1971, turned 18 on Dec. 11, and won the NCAA on March 11, 1972 at the the age of 18.26 yrs., and apparently still the youngest ever. Thanks. The following is courtesy of the late Jarius Hammond (NCAA Wrestling Historian). Season Weight Name Class DOB Ch.Date Age 1947 121 Hauser, Dick Freshman 3/29/1947 1947 136 Lange, Lowell Freshman 8/17/1928 3/29/1947 18.62 1947 175 Scarpello, Joe Freshman 1/16/1923 3/29/1947 24.21 1947 165 Nelson, Bill Freshman 10/24/1926 3/29/1947 20.44 1947 UNL Hutton, Dick Freshman 10/04/1923 3/29/1947 23.50 1972 126 Milkovich, Pat Freshman 12/11/1953 3/11/1972 18.26 1973 134 Rohn, Don Freshman 1/13/1954 3/10/1973 19.17 1979 134 Burley, Darryl Freshman 2/18/1960 3/10/1979 19.07 1980 167 Reiss, Matt Freshman 4/16/1960 3/15/1980 19.93 1980 177 Banach, Ed Freshman 2/06/1960 3/15/1980 20.12 1990 158 Smith, Pat Freshman 9/21/1970 3/24/1990 19.52 1993 142 McIlravy,Lincoln Freshman 7/07/1974 3/20/1993 18.72 1993 158 Mollica, Markus Freshman 1/01/1973 3/20/1993 20.23 1994 167 Branch, Mark Freshman 7/08/1974 3/19/1994 19.71 1999 184 Sanderson, Cael Freshman 6/20/1979 3/20/1999 19.76 2002 174 Jones, Greg Freshman 8/10/1982 3/23/2002 19.63 2003 184 Rosholt, Jake Freshman 9/02/1982 3/22/2003 20.56 2003 141 Ware, Teyon Freshman 8/13/1983 3/22/2003 19.62 2006 149 Schlatter,Dustin Freshman 5/15/1986 3/18/2006 19.85 2010 141 Dake, Kyle Freshman 2/25/1991 3/20/2010 19.08 2010 125 McDonough,Matt Freshman 5/12/1990 3/20/2010 19.87 2012 125 Stieber, Logan Freshman 1/24/1991 3/17/2012 21.16 2014 197 Cox, J’den Freshman 3/03/1995 3/22/2014 19.06
  11. J, As noted in the article, there are many more examples of non D1 wrestlers winning or placing...wish we could go back to that inclusion
  12. D2 and D3Final .docx An article I wrote for AWN several years ago regarding the impact of D2 and D3 on the NCAA championships.
  13. If one goes back and looks at the timing of the E/W All-Star match, which began in '67, you will notice the attendance numbers are pretty interesting. Seems to me the best time for the event would be Jan or early Feb when the rankings have had some time to settle, the interest is high, and the NCAA's are just around the corner, adding to the appeal. Actually, the numbers from '67-'71 are very interesting since those were held post NCAA...healthy numbers too! Pre-season just doesn't seem to be a good time because so many things factor into reasons not to participate, AA's/Champions have graduated, risk-reward, conditioning and competing in the best possible form won't be expected until closer to the qualifiers or mid-season, some invitee's might not even be on the radar come March, etc. I understand the desire to make the sport popular and attractive to the masses, but wrestling is a niche sport and the fans are pretty dedicated to a good product but sometimes too many tweaks becomes....too many tweaks. Add anything you want to to the meet, but the time of year is critical for generating interest, and mid-season seems the most logical to me. IMO of course.
  14. Appreciate your kind remarks very much. He had a great run and we gave him a great send off. Have a look on Youtube - "Remembering Mike Milkovich" my nieces did an incredible job of putting together that video in a very short and hectic 4 days. Thanks again.
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