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  1. Will fractured his elbow in scramble in the OT of his loss. He's already had surgery.
  2. All I was saying is that Lambrecht was having a great tournament and was having a great match, and I was very shocked when he got pinned. Since the topic of the post was about Finals shockers I was simply responding to that. The tournament that Rohn had up to that point had not even entered my mind, and I didn't bother to look it up since it didn't seem relevant to my point that I was shocked. I was not trying to slight Rohn in any way and the topic here was not about who should have won OW in 2002. Besides, if you had told me before the match that Rohn would win, I probably wouldn't have even argued with you. However, given the score at the time and how Lambrecht was in control the pin was a shocker, not just for me but for many others. I do remember at the time, that once Rohn had the front headlock, I was telling my dad sitting next to me, Lambrecht needs to get out of there because no good can come from that for him. (and this is coming from a former wrestler who scored a lot from being front headlocked). In my original post I included Lambrecht losing as a shocker, given the score at the time, and Metcalf's loss because I thought there was no way he would lose that bad to Caldwell. Too different reasons to be shocked. As a Cornell guy, I typically root for Lehigh, but I also have Sooners in my blood and was sitting in that section.
  3. Like I said BEFORE he got pinned, since Lambrecht was close to winning by TF over Rohn. Obviously the pin changed that.
  4. I believe you're referring to Cael. But I was thinking before he got pinned that Lambrecht could/should be OW, the way he was dominating the field, but there was no way he would win it over Cael. Lambrecht won by Pin, 9-0 over 11 seed, TF over Hrovat, 8-6 over Hahn, and then was on his way to a TF in the Finals. I was sitting in the OU section at the time, and I still remember Lambrecht's dad hunched over the rail after he got pinned. I was hoping he wouldn't have a heart attack.
  5. In my 20 years of watching the finals two shockers come to mind. Metcalf losing to Caldwell as badly as he did. I just remember everyone in the arena just stunned. The other big shocker was Lambrecht losing to Rohn. Lambrecht was up by 12 or so and the only way he could lose was by getting pinned.
  6. Justin wrestled for Missouri one year, I believe he lost in the AA round.
  7. All of Koll's success can be attributed to his first recruiting class as an assistant coach. Hopefully he reads this. To address a couple of points: Rob has done a fantastic job for Cornell but as someone says, wrestling at Cornell will survive without him. The facilities are top notch, and there is a strong alumni base. There was old-timers support before he got there, because they're the ones who brought Spates in. But he's also done a great job in keeping the alumni involved, some he coached and others he didn't. Since wrestling doesn't have a professional route, there will be plenty of kids knowing they also need a good education. Will Cornell be as strong without him? Who knows, but it will be good more often than not even after he leaves. The job is his as long as he wants it, but I say that because I don't see him coaching as long as someone like Bobby Douglas. I think he'll know when it's time to leave and when he does, he'll have opportunities (or can retire).
  8. I wrestled at Cornell in the early 90's and we had several transfer in. Kyle Rackley from OK State when they got put on probation. Mike New from Penn St, Bob Whalen from UVA, Tim Sczeck from Army and a few from JUCO. I can't tell you about the individual circumstances but because we were an Ivy League school with no scholarships, they could wrestle right away without losing a year of eligibility.
  9. The stars didn't "align" for Cody, he beat the tar out of every guy he wrestled last year. He beat top ranked guys and beat them easily. I think he has to go in as the clear favorite next year.
  10. Benedictine College in Atchison, KS just added wrestling a couple of years ago. NAIA.
  11. Portland State also had the last wrestler (and AA) from a DII or DIII school to compete at DI nationals, Dan Russell who beat Pat Smith in a previous year.
  12. To answer your first questions, I would have a hard time arguing that Koll is a greater coach than Cael because of Cael's national titles. Maybe Koll is greater, but I guess it depends on how you define coaching greatness. If it's based purely on developing the kids you have, then there is a good case that Koll is better. (And I think that's why most consider Koll and Flynn great coaches) However, a part of coaching is recruiting so that must be included. I think it is easier to recruit to PSU than to Cornell, but how much easier, I don't know nor does anyone else know for sure. To answer your second question. The GOAL for Cornell for the last few years has been to win a national championship. That wasn't the goal in the beginning, so to argue he has failed for 21 years you are wrong. Just like did I want to win a national championship while I was at Cornell? Sure. But my more realistic goal was to be an AA. While the goal will be to win a team national championship for the forseable future, I won't consider him a failure as a coach if he doesn't achieve it. He has taken the program to a level that most didn't think could happen and for that he has succeeded. When I first started going to nationals in 1999 and for a few years after that there was no Cornell section, I bought tickets through OU. A few years later, we had our first post-finals and there were only a handful of people, and they didn't outnumber the team. Now, we have one of the largest crowds every year (even in our down year this year), and in Philly I think we had 1,000 or 1,500 at the party. During his tenure, Cornell built the first (and maybe only) wrestling only facility, that is unbelievable. To sum it up Koll is a great coach because of the program he has built, the sustained success he has had especially given where the program was, and the obsticles he must overcome coaching at Cornell. DSims, why exactly would it be tough to argue that Koll is a greater coach than Cael? I would say Cael became great when he started winning national titles. Now that Koll is in his 21st season as head coach, do you agree that we should start setting his goals at winning a national championship?
  13. I'm not sure why I'm commenting on this but will anyway. Koll is a great coach. I was there in the beginning days. Spates resurected the program, and when he left we were a top 10 program, with Koll's help. We had a good group, but didn't have enough studs to get to the next level. After a drop off, Koll has made the program a title contender. I told him he was crazy when he told me they would challenge for a national title eventually. He then made me believe. Remember, he's doing it a top 10 academic university with no scholarships. Is he greater than Cael, that would be tough to argue, but he is a great coach. Let's let look at a few guys. Travis Lee, 2x champ, not highly recruited. Taylor was higher ranked in high school than Dake. There are some guys out there Koll cannot recruit, he can't get them in the school. He's been knocking on the door with one year he probably should have won, but didn't when they had a bad semis ( and a little help with Long getting kicked out of ISU). Say all you want about his only goal is winning the national championships, but that was unheard of for probably the first 10 years of his career. His job was not to win a national championships in the beginning. Did Cael only become a great coach when he got to PSU? He was probably the same exact coach, he just now has better resources.
  14. And if it wasn't for Iowa, Minnesota and Penn State the Big 10 wouldn't be as strong.
  15. JT, I hope you are right about Nevinger, but his health may prevent him from doing well. If he is healthy I think JT, your analysis is right, if it's not he may be two and out. Although, if he were healthy all year I think he would have been seeded.
  16. Last year is supposed to be irrelevent, per a member of the seeding committee.
  17. I've been trying to find a video of Reece Humphrey attempting to throw Dake at nationals Dake's freshman year. I thought Dake was a goner but that was before I realized how freakishly good he is.
  18. I hope you are right about Cornell. Are you saying it will be Dean, Nashon and CV?
  19. Jesse Jantzen was amazing to watch. The way he would just leach onto guys, absolutely no space between he and his opponent. Kyle Dake is the best I've ever seen at taking guys back to the mat.
  20. I'm a Cornell fan and thought it was the right call. I just said to my wife ( even though she could care less) that V was about to be called for stalling. I was surprised by it but it was correct. My only problem is the consistency from ref to ref with stalling calls. I wish more refs had the guts to call it. If they did eventually there would be less need for it because wrestlers would learn to be more aggressive.
  21. Yeah, this is basically what I was about to write. Here's a link to the last incident: It shows first the eye poke, then the Metcalf shove, then the brutal knee that sidelined Brown from NCAAs. I gave Koll the benefit of a doubt in giving George another chance the last time, but I wouldn't have objected if Koll booted him right away either. That knee was nasty. Even in MMA that'd get you DQ'd. You can't put a kid on the mat who you know might do that. But, I figured, Koll knows the kid better than we do, so if he thinks a woodshedding plus a "one more strike and your out" speech will work, then fine. Yet if its true that George got himself DQ'ed again, for more unsportsmanlike roughness ... man. I don't see how Koll can look the other way again. Interesting, by the way, to see the Cornell contingent yukking it up on this thread and reflexively absolving their coaches of any responsibility, despite being so quick to call out other coaches for supposed disciplinary hypocrisy. What I am saying is this seems like a George issue more than a teamwide Cornell organization issue. This is one guy. One guy doing it more than once means it's his issue. Multiple guys getting dq means it is an organizational issue. Now let's see how Rob reacts to this incident before we say he's looking the other way. I understand he dealt with it the first time, but it was not discussed publically. Maybe that was a mistake. Guys CAN deserve a second chance. I don't know George. While I was embarrassed by what George did I was willing to give Rob the benefit of the doubt that he was dealing it in a way that he thought was the best. You are right, the coach must now deal with it, but it's not fair at this time to blame the coach for George's actions. Until we know how the coach deals with it, let's take a deep breath. If there is no disciplinary action, you can bad mouth the coaches, I will probably join in, and will even tell Rob what I think. If that is considered absolving the coaches then so be it.
  22. Before you blame the coaches and call it an organizational dynamic, please name other Cornell wrestlers who are thugs. One does not make a trend.
  23. No, Cornell style. Before you call it Cornell style, can you please name another Cornell wrestler who was dq'd for misconduct?
  24. I don't post much but regularly read the forums. I made it to nationals twice, unfortunately I lost both years in the first round, who then lost to that year's runner-up thereby knocking me out the tournament. As a result, I didn't get to wrestle in the consolations either year. I'm glad they changed the rule to be a trus double elimination, just wished they had done it sooner.
  25. My wife said "Who is that next to Ashton Kutcher?" I said you must not be a wrestling fan yet, because otherwise you would have asked who is that next to Dan Gable? She's been to a couple of NCAA championships so far, is learning but has a ways to go still. In fairness to her, Gable was already retired when we started dating.
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