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  1. I know the issue has been brought up before, but it has certainly heated up again since the olympics, as if the gold medal proves who had the better folkstyle season back in 2010. Ness had the better season in 2010. As far as collegiate career, I honestly don't know Varner's career record was. I suspect it may have been slightly better then Ness' 148-15 (73 pins) 5-2-3-1 NCAA finishes, but I doubt if he blew him away in this criteria either. Varner finished 121-10 going 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 1st. His second 2nd was decided by a couple of seconds of riding time in Multiple OTs. I still remember the ref blowing the whistle with Varner on his feet and Pucillo behind him essentially ending his chance to win. However, he lost the chess match strategy he used alot that year to a guy who was even harder to ride. As far as careers as a whole goes you have to give the edge to Varner. 4 time finalist. Not too many of those. As I have stated previously, I would not argue that Ness had a better career. I simply believe his senior year was more impressive than Varner's. Also, the use of respect in my title is directed more at the flippant way Ness is dismissed by those who have an agenda (Metcalf Haters) against WIN and the Hodge. Ness is the WRONG example to use since he fit the criteria to a tee. Complain about what doesn't fit your perceptions and don't use a case that does to point out those that don't. Thanks for the info. I found Varner's freshmen record of approximately 30-7, but couldn't find his sophmore or junior record. So, Ness had more career wins and pins, but Varner had a better career winning % and better overall NCAA finishes. So I can concede criteria #4 of the 2010 Hodge selection process. But only #4. :D
  2. I know the issue has been brought up before, but it has certainly heated up again since the olympics, as if the gold medal proves who had the better folkstyle season back in 2010. Ness had the better season in 2010. As far as collegiate career, I honestly don't know Varner's career record was. I suspect it may have been slightly better then Ness' 148-15 (73 pins) 5-2-3-1 NCAA finishes, but I doubt if he blew him away in this criteria either.
  3. ps, of those 73 pins for Ness, I think at least 72 of them were with a middle school move (half nelson). If that isn't dominating the competition, I don't know what is.
  4. Cletus, It's nice you think Ness is nice guy and a "good" college wrestler, but the fact is that he was a clear winner of the Hodge, and I don't even see it quite as close as most people do. Lets look at the criteria.... 1. Wins...even (31 each I think) 2. Pins...19-10, not even close for Ness. 3. Dominance....arguable, but see above 4. Past credentials....2 NCAA titles is a good arguement, but Ness was 148-15 with 73 pins and NCAA finishes of 5-2-3-1. I'm not aware of Varner's career record but I will concede the 4th criteria if he has a better winning percentage. 5. Quality of competition....Minnesota wrestles the toughest schedule in the country, advantage Ness. 6. Sportsmanship...even, both great guys. 7. Heart, an intangable that can't really be argued either way, obviously both very big here. Jake Varner's gold medal was huge for the US, but it has absolutely nothing to do with this award 2.5 years ago. If this was such a big deal why wait until no to bring it up. The Hodge is wrestlings equivalent to the Heisman. Do you really think someone like Peyton Manning who didn't win a Heisman but went on to greater success at the next level is really bitching about guys like Ricky Williams and Ryan Leaf overshadowing him for college awards. You too should get past this.
  5. Conrad Rangell from Fresno City College (149) is apparently heading to Minnesota. He is a past mat.com wrestler of the week. http://themat.com/section.php?section_id=3&page=showarticle&ArticleID=24136
  6. A drunk Brands would be entertaining, and quite possibly dangerous for those nearby.
  7. Jason Ness was seconds away from losing in the finals!!! That is one perspective, but if you watch that entire championship match, Ness was subjected to some very questionable calls (or non-calls) in that match, yet kept his composure and pulled out the win. In the way you are sticking up for Varner you are totally disrespecting "that kid from Minnesota". The very thing you are complaining about. What's the difference? Anyone with a more conservative wrestling style is going to be criticized by the more uneducated wrestling fans. Minnesota has had some of these over the years, but Jayson definetly was not one of them. The fact that you didn't even remember his name leads me to believe you never really saw him wrestle outside maybe 1 or 2 matches at the NCAA's. Him and Varner had identical 31-0 records that year, but Ness had 9 more pins. Why is it such a crime that he won the Hodge? Is it because you never heard of him?
  8. 2010 Stats..... Jayson Ness, National Champ, 31-0, 19 pins (Hodge winner) Jacob Varner, National champ, 31-0, 10 pins Obviously this can be argued, but why dismiss Ness' college accomplishments because he is coaching and starting a familly, instead of going the international route?
  9. Soooo, the Hodge should be given to who might have olympic success at some point in the future, and not to whoever had the most dominating collegiate season that year. Makes sense.
  10. I agree with the above post. Having both is a good thing!
  11. MNRodent

    Mudflap

    Don't get yer dauber's down gents any of you say you ain't wanted to dispear off the face of the earth for a year and Im gonna call you a liar.
  12. Tell us one more time, and I'll start believing you :?
  13. Ever hear of Henry Cejudo? Yep, I sure have! But for every 1 that brings home the gold, there are hundreds that don't. If Destin plans on getting an education while training at the OTC, then that's great. From my own selfish view point I would rather see him wrestle in college, at least for a couple years.
  14. It's kind of sad that this kid doesn't realize there is more to life then just trying for the olympics every 4 years. He could be a pretty big impact in the college wrestling world, and still make a run at the 2016 Olympics.
  15. Tommy Rowlands did meet Cole Konrad a few times in 2004. I'm not sure of how every match turned out but at the BIG 10 tournament Rowlands handled him fairly easily 10-4. Konrad's key to success was gaining an enormous amount of size and strength. Steve Mocco without a doubt was the "bear" everyone claimed him to be, but Konrad was a Polar fighting a Black. " Konrad's key to success was gaining an enormous amount of size and strength. Steve Mocco without a doubt was the "bear" everyone claimed him to be, but Konrad was a Polar fighting a Black." Why do you have to bring race into this discussion?
  16. In the intermat interview he says he will be 149. http://www.intermatwrestle.com/articles/10419 This was a need for the Gophers, since it is likely Ness and Kingsley both outgrow 149 at some point.
  17. Can't get one by you! ;) I think you two rode the short bus to school together :D BTW, Jake's grandfather Jim Short still coaches at Simley. If Jim Short isn't the perfect name for a coach, I dunno what is.
  18. I saw one guy have him at #7!! #7!!??? How much of a hater/moron do you have to be, to put him at #7. Others have him at #5, #4.....I mean I just dont get it. No matter how low you rank him people, in REALITY he is still the most dominant wrestler in America. Has a bad OTT, and all of the sudden he is trash lol I'll take Taylor over Dake in folk any day of the week. Howe is a bigger threat to Taylor than Dake is. Howe is a monster, just as strong and solid as it gets. 1- Taylor 2- Howe 3- Dake 4- Steiber 5- Ruth 6- Kilgore 7- Oliver 8- McDonough 9- Wright 10- Ramos Reality called.....It want's you back.
  19. Norman Borlaug a world famous agronomist and Nobel prize winner was a successful wrestler at the University of Minnesota (high school in Iowa).
  20. To say a freshman, no matter how good he is, will not a lose another match, is to make yourself look like a fool 99% of the time.
  21. Dave and Mark Schultz would have been very good, I think.
  22. The man does know how to strike a pose. There is no denying that.
  23. Not totally true. The Gophers have had capacity crowds (around 14k) on campus at Williams arena at least twice with Iowa. The event's I went to off campus didn't draw that many.
  24. Stop crying, Gopher Fan... Ok State is hosting becuase they earned it, as the #1 seed with wins over two of the other semi-finalists. If it was just going to be awarded to the #1 seed then why wasn't that announced earlier, so that people could make travel plans? Why all the mystery? Wasn't this all about promoting the sport and putting it in the national spot-light, yet they put in the place that would have the worst attendance of any of the other finalists. Will the NCAA want to pick this event up when they see the empty seats this Sunday? For the sake of the sport, I hope I'm wrong, and it is a sell out.
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