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  1. Holtfan retracted that statement earlier in the thread. Holtfan Bronze Member Members 37 198 posts Report post Posted Sunday at 10:51 AM (edited) EDIT!! I was misinformed on the video. Someone I trusted said it was so, and I didn't check it out for myself, I just took their word. I went back and watched, it's just not there. I will man-up on this and take the bullet on this one. It was unfortunate situation.
  2. To put this into an ongoing context, last night in the 215 semi the DCC kid was called for a slam against the kid from Dexter. Certain folks I won't name began yelling at the Dexter kid that he was taking the easy way out, blah-blah. The kid began yelling back that he doesn't take a fall and he continues the bout, eventually losing 5-4. Many "adults" behaved shamefully (and that extends to people in the crowd as well) but props to the kid from Dexter going out on his shield. If I were a small-college coach, I'd be all about getting that kid from Dexter.
  3. Mitch Hancock did not make the call on Rojas not being allowed to continue, the doctor on staff did. That's just a fact. Rojas wanted to continue and wasn't looking for a way out. If you have any problem with ethics, it would only be with Hancock on whether he should have defaulted the bout back to Facundo because that match, under the doctor's judgment, wasn't going to continue under any circumstance once the doctor ruled. Personally, I think the elbow to the head should have been an automatic DQ and the Facundo should have been defaulted back to Facundo. Net result, the same team ends up winning.
  4. I don't think apologies are cheap and I appreciate your post. And I apologize for any comments that I may have made that were out of line. I mean that. I was far from a perfect coach but my dedication to my athletes and their well-being was never in question. Every athlete who used four years of eligibility under me earned a college degree--I am more proud of that than anything accomplished on the mats. In these last years I am able to spend on the mat, I'm trying to share my knowledge. For example, with my club kids, I do not tolerate weight cutting (no one is dropping 5-8 pounds a week to make weight--my firm advice is always to go up a weight). My mission is to place as many of them in college as I can. My job is to build the possibilities for their future. I take the various parts of my mission very seriously. Is putting up with the deprecating comments and personal slights on a site like this worth the time or aggravation? I'm not sure but I will continue to share insights and, if anyone gets anything out of it, it's all good. And thank you for your comments on my son--sincerely appreciated. Much peace your way.
  5. I really can’t decide if you’re completely out of your mind or just mostly. You can diagnose a medical condition 25 years after the fact from a quick social media post? You’re a guy who by his own admission has hallucinated eating imaginary strawberry frosted doughnuts, popped so many diuretics he pissed blue, washed out of Ranger school because of chemical-related issues (sensing a pattern here), etc., and you have the superhuman ability to pass judgment on situations you were not present at to conclude that I’m not “the greatest coach,” etc. Stellar work, Dr. Oz. First, I never claimed to be “the greatest coach.” Have never done it, nor would I ever. Have met many coaches who were far better than I am. Learned from every one of them. Most were guys few had heard of. Possibly the best high school coach I met? Man named Lenny Ball. Worked at an inner city school and got more out of those kids (kids most superstars would give up on or not even bother trying to coach) than any of the big names ever would. No move ins, transfers, redshirts who repeated 8th grade to have a maturity advantage, etc. Got guys who never even heard of wrestling until they entered high school as freshmen and had a number contending for state titles as seniors. Unbelievable coach and mentor to young people. Unsung but a true hero of the game. Second, never wrestled an injured wrestler who was not cleared by a trainer/physician who had assessed the risks and discussed them thoroughly with the athlete. Were there guys who wrestled in pain? Duh. As my college coach used to say as we were preparing for nationals and guys were a bit banged up, “If you’re not hurting somewhere on your body what have you been doing all year?” And yes, he won a national team title and is in the Hall of Fame, so save the pseudo-analysis of why he isn’t the greatest coach. Early season bout, we sat anybody who was even slightly dinged. A guy who is a senior with his last shot to win a national title or AA and he’s got an injury that can be braced or taped in a way that the chances of worsening the injury are minimized to a calculated risk (yes, even walking across the street involves risk), it’s his choice if he wants to go. Never had a kid who didn’t choose to go, never had a kid who damaged himself for life. The heavyweight I mentioned was absolutely not hurt and did not have any signs of concussion; got taken down hard in a lift but he wasn’t hurt. Give him a minute to collect himself and he was fine. Every hard return to the mat does not result in a concussion or necessitate an ambulance ride to the hospital. Third, the issue with the kid making weight was the time element. He had already made scratch weight the day before—yes, he weighed less not even 24 hours before. He went overboard on his reloading and after his last bout had a short window to make weight with an allowance. His legs were sapped from his bout and then jumping rope and running—getting on the bike and changing it up gave him a chance to clear his mind, keep his legs moving, and just sweat while sitting down. If you can diagnose this as heat stroke 25 years post event, you should be in line for your own Forensic Files show. Regarding “danger,” let’s relate it to your experience washing out of Ranger school. My son passed on first attempt, no recycles. He was already lean but over the various stages lost 25 pounds while trying to keep his weight up. He was constantly hungry and dehydrated. A certified physician by his side every step of the way, checking his electrolyte levels? Seeing if he had symptoms of heat stroke? Right. What did he attribute his success to? Having wrestled. Huge fail rate at Ranger school but he stuck it out, and not because he was stronger or faster than all the other candidates, but because he knew how to perform under extreme conditions. So many failed because of simple things, like falling asleep—instant recycle or rejection. He could take being hungry and thirsty and extremely tired because he’d been there, done that in wrestling. Sport has served him very well, particularly in Iraq, where the heat and its adverse affects were in constant play. No water breaks in a firefight, no time-outs, no heat stroke checks. And if sharing some insights and anecdotes from 44 years of experience in the game is “beating my chest,” fine, guilty as charged, I can absolutely live with that without a problem.
  6. Your comments are nonsense. The heavyweight wasn't injured--that's the whole point. Was checked by medical staff immediately--where did I ever say he was injured? And dangerous cut? He was very tired, but "dangerous"? You were there? I would have never made weight if I stopped every time I got tired because it was "dangerous." If anyone's pounding his chest it's you when you are making moral judgments without knowing your a$$ from a hole in the ground.
  7. Another anecdote about not taking the fall. One year our heavyweight drew the #2 seed at nationals in the second round and our opponent was called for a slam. Again, we didn't think it was a cheapshot. Their coach was raging at the ref that we were going to lay down and he cost the #2 seed a chance at his national championship. After our guy got himself together, we resumed the bout. We lost; their guy was just better and deserved to go on. Flash forward to the final weigh-in and our 167 is really struggling to get that last couple pounds off; we're pretty desperate because his legs are gone and he is having trouble running or jumping rope anymore. The coach of the heavyweight we continued against came up to us and said, "Hey, we owe you one." He gave us his stationary bike for our 167 to use (there were no bikes around and the facilities were very limited). Long story short: our 167 made weight on his last touch and would not have been able to make it without that bike. Their heavy ended up 3rd and our heavy came back and placed 8th. A great sport when everyone is cool.
  8. Certainly possible. I guess what's being missed in all this is the aftermath. Rojas is now getting hatemail and taking a beating on social media. So what, you say. Well, tough on a high school sophomore to be put in this situation, particularly when he did not make the slam call and he did not make the decision to not continue. Also, a college assistant coach from a school that is recruiting him went out and publicly called him out for being a p-----. The assistant didn't know the head coach was recruiting him--real bad look. Shame on so many "adults" in this fiasco. Rough gig for a young kid. I hope in the future we can show we're better than this.
  9. My opinion, Facundo wasn't going to pin Rojas if Rojas did not have a concussion; very real chance for a major but Rojas is an experienced guy and knows how to hang and keep a score close. If Rojas did have a concussion and was allowed to continue, sure, Facundo has a chance to pin but major malpractice on the part of Rojas' coaches and the doctor in charge.
  10. And I should add this: I only came to this philosophy after I screwed up bigtime in my first year as a head coach. We were at an open and one of our guys was losing and got unintentionally slammed and, during the time-out, said he was in great pain, couldn't move his shoulder and I thought, easy, take the default, a win, right? Well, it was an open and bouts were on something like eight mats and our guy who was so hurt he couldn't continue magically recovered and wrestled his next bout with one of my assistants in the corner. I was never so embarrassed in my life. Looked horrible, sleazy, and felt even worse. By my later approach, we would have defaulted back to the man who was winning. After that, I told our guys once you default that's it, you're done, you don't stay in the tournament, the only exception being you accept a default if you were on the wrong end of a cheapshot. Developed many of my coaching beliefs after I screwed something up. Live and learn and don't make the same mistake twice.
  11. You can never say what you will do in the moment, but I can tell you that in a dual once we came down to heavyweight and we were up by one team polnt. Their heavy was an imbecile, cheapshot artist and we were tied the bout when they were called for an illegal elbow wrench in neutral--we are now up by one. We take the fall we win the dual and go home. But we didn't want to send that message to the team, to take the easy way out. I didn't take our own usual advice and usual path and decided to continue the bout since there was only about a minute left and the trainer indicated the injury was not severe. Long story short, the ref started dinging us for stalling and we end up losing the heavyweight match by a point and the dual overall. I take the responsibility for that one but so be it. In the DCC-Davison bout, the final score was DCC 34 - Davison 23. As the DCC coach, I would have taken the default at 125 without question, giving DCC six instead of Davison getting six (the guy who threw the elbow ended up with a pin). Even with defaulting back to Facundo at 189, DCC would have still won. Like any situation in life, though, easy to say what you would have done.
  12. As stated above, my basic philosophy on illegal moves and whether to accept the default was simple: if the offending man was just wrestling hard and not being an ass and our guy could continue, we did; if our guy couldn't continue, we defaulted back to the offending man. However, if the offending man was pulling a cheapshot and being an ass, we took the default without any problem. With the elbow to the back of the head seen above, we would have taken those 6 points--the kid was out of control and could really damage somebody some day in the future--he needs to get the message damn fast that this kind of garbage won't be tolerated. In the Facundo bout, we would have told the ref we couldn't continue and let both the ref and the opposing coach know we would start the bout again, stop it after one second, and default to the other man. Had numerous experiences with both routes. Had one situation in a national finals where our guy was up against an excellent opponent; we were losing something like 5-2 when our opponent lifted our guy and brought him down hard and was called for a slam. Our kid was a tough SOB and no way would take a national title by laying down after a slam call. He took about 30 second to clear his head, ended up getting beat by a better man, and we all walked out with our heads up.
  13. Agree. I found this especially cowardly--hitting a defenseless man from behind. No brainer--flagrant misconduct and automatic DQ.
  14. And to put things into a larger context, this was an ugly bout with many less than glowing incidents from both teams. For example, how was this not an automatic DQ? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEvtUHeTF04
  15. I know people on both sides of this dispute so no dog in the fight. "It's up to you" is another way of the doctor saying "I don't see any medical reason at this point why you can't continue." If the concern was a concussion, there are many quick ways to see if the athlete is exhibiting signs of being concussed; if the doctor/trainer was competent and did not find any of these factors present, it then becomes the athlete's/coach's decision to continue. Based on the one athlete running back to the center to resume the bout, that seems to corroborate what may have been initially said, but that is not foolproof and head injuries should never be trifled with. (Note--someone who was on the floor at the time said the doctor finally said the athlete should not continue and should be seen at a hospital.) If the athlete is truly injured and can't continue and--this is important--the man called for the slam was simply completing a hard but legitimate finish and not taking a cheapshot or doing something dirty, it is common practice for some coaches to default the bout back to the man called for the slam. This then becomes an issue of individual ethics and not medical danger.
  16. Done. And a virus doesn't distinguish between its victims.
  17. But you damn well better keep pole dancing!
  18. When women were brought into the Olympics, wrestling was not going to be given any additional medals; as I recall, we were forced to scale back from 20 weights between FS and GR to 18, then to 18 total for MFS, GR, and WFS combined. But feel relieved, we saved the 200 swimming events and are adding pole dancing!
  19. One of the issues was reducing not only numbers but medals awarded. With the reduction in weights, we were, though, allowed the double bronze, which a number of combat sports do. Politics, politics, politics...
  20. No for so many reasons. Timing/scheduling--won't work within the rules. Reality--Cox is not even a big 97 and Snyder is no longer dominating 97 guys, so 125 would not work for either this cycle or perhaps ever. Hoping the better man wins at 97 and that's all.
  21. Since Christians see Jesus as the Son of God/God made flesh (and thus a part of him) and Muslims do not, these religions and their gods, while sharing many similarities, are not the same. And yes, my many Muslim friends revere Jesus but as prophets go he does not share equal status with Mohammed in their eyes.
  22. Wrestled the last year of 9 minute bouts, no tech fall. Three 3-minute periods is more than enough to determine who the better man is.
  23. I love beer and I can prove it.
  24. International wrestlers generally peak ages 24-32, with some prodigies (Sads, for example) arriving earlier and some grizzled vets later (Campbell). And to think most of our best folkstylers are done by age 22.
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