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  1. In all of this, Smith won a 11-0 rewrestle bout (a bout unanimously agreed to be misscored) and a default bout he was winning 8-2 at the time and loses the series 2-0. Lee Roy Smith Sr.'s letter in the pdf speaks volumes.
  2. I'm more confused than ever. Lewis won bout one. Bout two was rewrestled from the beginning and Smith won, evening the series at 1-1. In the third bout, Smith was up 8-2 when Lewis defauted. This final bout was ordered to be wrestled from the point of the injury. Right?
  3. Boy, you really got me on the NFL draft comment--teach me to ad lib with the master. So we know who voted and how--Strobel, McCoy, Foxen, and Reiland have no integrity? Dake toadies? The minority should rule? And the "verbiage" mentioned but not provided was a "recommendation" (whose?) not a rule or stipulation; basically, it doesn't sound like it was agreed upon, so why should it be followed? Show where it was a mandated condition that Dake not compete and I'm in (Pyles, Pyles, you there?). What we know is that an appeal was filed and accepted (confirmed by your buddies at Flo) and that the national coaching staff and both competitors agreed a date; they now have to agree upon a site. Must say, I have heard no whining from Ringer himself. Really respect how he's handled this.
  4. This makes no sense. Next question.
  5. Smith up 8-2 when Lewis defaulted in third and deciding bout.
  6. Wondering if someone can post an article. My memory is just not totally clear on this.
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    Cornell

  8. Didn't ignore anything. The only evidence provided was a FLO broadcaster said so. I'm supposed to jump on board with that? Now you're telling me Jordan Burroughs said so--okay, I value his opinion, but how did the 4-3 vote in Dake's favor break down? Who voted to approve his appeal? Again, please give factual evidence. I could really care less who goes to Worlds as long as it is the best guy; if that's Ringer, I'm all for it. This is directly from Flo: "Dake, who qualified for Final X after winning a 2018 World medal, requested and received a delay of his championship series in Final X: Rutgers on June 8 due to injury. Dake was able to do this based upon the 2019 General World Team Trials Procedures. Dake met all of the requirements needed to receive a delay." (https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6517345-kyle-dake-and-alex-dieringer-will-wrestle-off-on-august-17-in-austin-texas) This doesn't back the conspiracy theory at all. Somebody saying the Flo guy said so and others saying Dake's lawyers scared USA Wrestling into caving without providing any evidence is flimsy in my estimation. I'm not being flippant as some are. I might totally agree with you. I just want to see something other than a Flo announcer and uncorroborated accusations.
  9. Evidence. "Likely" isn't very convincing.
  10. Smith was up big (I think like 6-1 or so) when Lewboo was injured and defaulted. Matters went to court and the match was resumed at the point on the clock Lewboo was injured and he won the rewrestle. Left a lot of bad feelings--understandably. Gable was the Olympic coach (supposed to be impartial) but seemed to heavily side with his Hawkeye wrestler. The Dake/Ringer saga doesn't approach this in my opinion.
  11. Snarky rhetorical questions don't make your case; two different systems and you know it. The national team process allows for appeals to delay final wrestle-offs and if approved accommodations are made.
  12. When I watched to bout it, to me, was a leg foul. But bad calls happen. You can be Machiavellian and say that Sieracki would never have done what LIndland did so the right outcome was reached; I happen to believe Lindland was the better wrestler, but that's beside the point when it comes to how the process was handled. From what I recall, Sieracki was overseas competing at a tune-up tournament and had to make weight again and do the rewrestle not long after touching ground--kind of like he was set up to fail.
  13. Coach_J

    Cornell

    And we're not broke? Anyone got a quick loan for $22 trillion (and rising) to pay off our debt?
  14. Pyles on FLO? C'mon, I'm talking about a doctor, documentation, something I can look at and say, "You know, you're right and I'm now taking your side in this." I am more than willing to do this but Pyles on FLO doesn't do it. If Dake was not medically cleared to compete until August and he's going to Spain, I'm with you. If he was not medically cleared to compete at Final X and the make-up was scheduled for August and, based on that, he decided to get Spain in as a tune-up, I have no problem with that. But I need to see something definitive, real evidence, proof, not a talking head on the internet. I'm going to make an assumption here and if I'm wrong I'll apologize ahead of time, but I'm going to assume I've trained more wrestlers than you have (over a decade in college from D-III to D-I, a year in Europe, over another decade in high school, and now as an old man another decade in youth club level). In college, we had many guys injured and go through extensive rehab. They were initially "cleared" to begin light training and building their conditioning and timing but not ready to compete even though technically no longer injured. Once we were assured they could do some live outside the room, we'd often send them to an open if we could and let them get a couple bouts in; at the first sign of fatigue, they were done and we pulled them as a precaution. It was part of getting them back to top form without jeopardizing their competitive future. When they were fully ready to go at peak performance, then they competed as the medical team saw fit. I really don't see how it should be handled any different for World/Olympic competitors. You want the competitors at their best if it can be arranged (ain't a perfect world, so often that just isn't possible). In this case, Dake has earned consideration via being a returning World Champion. You may not think that's "fair," but it's far more so than in other top nations. For example, Sadulaev does not have to wrestle in the Russian nationals--he's proven himself, and until he stumbles their system sees him as having earned the top spot. Fair? Seems to have worked for them. The Iranians are still sending out teams to compete in various international meets as part of their decision process--it's ongoing and nobody (except maybe Yaz) has a spot 100% sewn up. Conspiracy theories about Dake's dad threatening a lawsuit, etc., are juvenile. Was he probably prepared to take legal action if denied an extension? He'd be an idiot if he didn't. Did this cause USAW to cave? Again, that's speculation, which isn't enough to move me in this case--show me some proof. Threatening USA Wrestling doesn't seem to have helped Yanni so far, but I guess we'll see in that case too.
  15. Coach_J

    Cornell

    Be careful about quoting Jefferson and Madison. Here goes: "Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by the individual." —Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784. “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is no doubt the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.” —James Madison Jefferson understood that those who benefit the most from a system are obliged to give more back to it. If you make more, you can "spare" more. Madison understood that people are not angels and too many are motivated by personal greed and understood the necessity of government to ensure justice.
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    Cornell

    Sweden and taxes--first hand experience. They have high taxes but live in peace, have a prosperous standard of living, are exceptionally advanced in technology, etc. They pay the taxes but they have cleaner air and water overall than we have, their stress level is far lower, they don't have sprawling ghettos we have, and I could go on. Like I said, they are not flocking to leave. I was training in wrestling over there and was not a citizen but whenever I was injured I saw a doctor and received excellent care. Why? I was a human being. When I returned I understood what a cluster our health care system is (oh, and Rand Paul went to Canada for surgery after getting his ass kicked).
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    Cornell

    Really? So Sweden is a totalitarian regime? Lived there myself and still have many friends there--they move about the planet freely and love their lives there and aren't flocking to leave.
  18. Coach_J

    Cornell

    Can you comprehend that calling yourself something doesn't mean you are that thing?
  19. You don't get it. It's not about me or you or anyone on this board. It's about determining the best entrant in the 2019 World championship at 79 kilos. That said, if Dake gets injured in Spain or before the rescheduled wrestle-off date, case closed, he's done.
  20. Who said he could not or was medically forbidden to compete before the final wrestle-off with Ringer? I need to know that. Since you have inside information, I'll wait for you to provide that.
  21. Coach_J

    Cornell

    I'm partial to the Christian Ku Klux Klan and choirboy Proud Boys.
  22. Coach_J

    Cornell

    Our military, highway system, banking stucture, etc., are built on highly socialist principles, but let's not let reality interfere here.
  23. Coach_J

    Cornell

    Um, you realize that a communist is not necessarily the same as a socialist and neither of those is the same as a totalitarian despot?
  24. You're confusing being injured at the moment and not being ready because of a documented injury. Two separate issues. We're talking world class athletes. They don't go back into competition the day they are medically cleared to begin training. They have to rebuild their conditioning base, retrain their timing and muscle memory, etc. Are they "injured" as they start this process? No. Are they ready to compete? Also no. Was Kevin Durant injured when he was cleared for the NBA finals? Doctors said no. Was he fully ready to compete? Based on blowing his Achilles and now looking at a full year off to rehab, I would say no as well.
  25. I'll repeat, I don't feel equipped to judge Dake as a villain in this particular case. Other cases, I feel strongly enough about the facts to weigh in.
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